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Post by paddington on Jun 6, 2011 12:20:05 GMT
Not being a "Londoner", but being interested in both the Underground and Main line Railways, I took an interest to the new S Stock for the Underground.
Having not taken a ride on one yet, I would like to know how they are regarded by the "Londoners". As I am coming up to London in late July, I would like to know whether to avoid them, or get them.
Regards Sam
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 14:00:57 GMT
Odd place to ask - you are not going to get an objective picture here.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 6, 2011 14:30:19 GMT
The best thing to do will be to experience the S stock for yourself with an open mind, as that way you can make a fair comparison. I've not been on one myself yet (other than the mockup), I know some people like them and some people hate them, but I'm going to make my own judgement.
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Post by miff on Jun 6, 2011 14:57:26 GMT
At present very few S stock trains have entered service, therefore most Londoners will not yet have experienced them.
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Post by jardine01 on Jun 6, 2011 16:03:25 GMT
I am not a londoner and I have yet to go one one next time in london i will go on one, however I have watched them on Youtube they look nice but have not got as much character as the A stock in my opinion.
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Post by littlebrute on Jun 6, 2011 16:16:59 GMT
I'm not a Londoner either, but I've seen one twice but not actually had a chance to ride one yet due to either going in the opposite direction or passing it completely
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Post by metman on Jun 6, 2011 16:25:26 GMT
You certainly need to try it for yourself. It's really like buying a car. People have different feelings and certain things they look for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 16:26:09 GMT
I would say that even the air-conditioning alone is a good enough reason to get on an S stock, particularly given the fact that you will be here in late July.
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Post by edwin on Jun 7, 2011 1:53:03 GMT
Londoner here, seen them several times and have been on them once. I liked them.
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Post by ducatisti on Jun 7, 2011 8:04:48 GMT
I would imagine most londoners will barely notice, but still complain when there isn't one when they want one (for good or bad reasons)
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Post by manorborn on Jun 9, 2011 15:53:21 GMT
I commute 4 days a week on the Met and ride the S stock at least 30% of the time now. When the train is not too full they are fine. When full then they are awkward for long journeys because the seats feel narrow and it is hard to fight past people in the quest for a possible empty seat that you can't see. Because there are fewer seats than on the A stock, if a train is taken out of the schedule then the next one will be crowded with a lot of people standing. This happened this morning, for example - my train filled up at Ruislip Manor and people getting on at Eastcote, who would normally expect to all get seats, were all standing.
But the aircon is great and the ride is smooth and the windows are clean. So go for a short journey and you'll enjoy it.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 9, 2011 17:22:17 GMT
can anyone explain what the reason is that the introduction of s stock is taking so long for?! i mean when the 09 stock started on the vic trains were coming in every 2 weeks from 2010, so why hasnt the same thing happened with the s stock since 2011? dont see how they plan having all trains in service within the next 6 months!
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Post by metman on Jun 9, 2011 22:40:53 GMT
I commute 4 days a week on the Met and ride the S stock at least 30% of the time now. When the train is not too full they are fine. When full then they are awkward for long journeys because the seats feel narrow and it is hard to fight past people in the quest for a possible empty seat that you can't see. Because there are fewer seats than on the A stock, if a train is taken out of the schedule then the next one will be crowded with a lot of people standing. This happened this morning, for example - my train filled up at Ruislip Manor and people getting on at Eastcote, who would normally expect to all get seats, were all standing. But the aircon is great and the ride is smooth and the windows are clean. So go for a short journey and you'll enjoy it. Which makes it perfect for the Circle Line. The extra car will be great!
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Post by Chris M on Jun 28, 2011 18:34:26 GMT
I've just had my first ride on an S stock. Rather unexpectedly - I was photographing at Rayners Lane when one turned up so I took a ride to Uxbridge. Unfortunately for me it depated east out of service so my experience was short.
My overwhelming impression though was of a clean, comfortable (yes, I do mean that) and well-designed train. That the A stock I've just caught to Ruislip smelled of urine didn't diminish my appreciation for the S one bit. Three things particularly stick in my mind comparing this real journey to the mockup a couple of years back. The first is that I was very surprised at the amount of movement between the cars (in all dimensions) so I can now see why the DLR-style circular level floor connector that myslef and Chris W(?) commented so much about when viewing the mockup may not have worked.
Secondly I was impressed with the speed and apparent no-nonsenseness of the closing doors. I certainly wouldn't want to try and hold them open. This was not apparent on the mockup (where I did manage to get my hand caught).
Finally, the only thing I'm not sure about is the door opening and closing alerts. The door opening sound is much louder and harsher than the closing alarm - I remember commenting about this at the mockup and I'm still not convinced.
Comfort wise I have no complaints - the seats (longitudinal and transverse fixed ones, I didn't sit on a tip-up one) were not noticeably more or less comfortable than the A stocks I travelled on either side of the S and they are more comfortable than those on the 2009 stock, 1996 stock and DLR (the units I use most).
Overall I'm impressed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2011 18:56:48 GMT
Its not the trains fault it smells of urine, its obviously the poor sod who couldnt hold him/herself for any longer!
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Post by Ben on Jun 28, 2011 19:47:30 GMT
Chris M: The DLR though has its carriages articulated sharing a common bogie. This by its very nature will reduce shear movement between them, enabling the round thing to be installed on the floor. If the S stock had used articulated bogies perhaps it could have been seen there aswell.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 28, 2011 20:52:47 GMT
Yes that's a good point. Shame neither Chris nor I thought of it at the mockup!
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Post by t697 on Jun 29, 2011 19:48:04 GMT
Finally, the only thing I'm not sure about is the door opening and closing alerts. The door opening sound is much louder and harsher than the closing alarm - I remember commenting about this at the mockup and I'm still not convinced. Overall I'm impressed. The door alarms are different to the ones on the mock up. Took ages trying different possibilities. The open alarm measures a similar volume to the close and both only slightly exceed the minimum level in the standards. I guess it's the human response to the two tone types that's different. I agree the 'open' seems a bit harsh.
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Post by prjb on Jul 6, 2011 22:00:26 GMT
can anyone explain what the reason is that the introduction of s stock is taking so long for?! i mean when the 09 stock started on the vic trains were coming in every 2 weeks from 2010, so why hasnt the same thing happened with the s stock since 2011? dont see how they plan having all trains in service within the next 6 months! We have simply taken a more cautious approach. Recent deliveries have been slightly delayed due to issues outside of LU's control and we are also in the process of bringing down another train for S7 testing which takes up a delivery path. You will see an increase in deliveries very soon however and by that I mean one a week.
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Post by egduf on Jul 14, 2011 12:23:00 GMT
I quite like them, but they could definitely do with more (and/or lower) handrails for people standing.
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Post by knap on Jul 14, 2011 13:04:19 GMT
I rode on an S Stock from Finchley Road to Harrow. I got a seat right at the front, with the cab bulk head on my left. I was surprised that as the train braked and I was pushed into the bulk head that it flexed and as I lent away it bounced back. This happened quite a few times. I am sure it is strong enough and I expect not structural, but I was surprised at the amount of movement in this bulk head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 18:52:59 GMT
Trin 427 was UID S stock this evening, I passed it between Farringdon and Kings X. That was heading to Aldgate, Whilst I was on 5016 going to Euston Square.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2011 20:01:42 GMT
Had my first ride on S stock today between Liverpool St and Baker St, I'm a great fan of the A stock and will be sad to see them go, but was impressed with the S stock. It was a hot day and the train was lovely and cool inside, the aircon seems very effective. The ride was quite smooth and they seem quite roomy. The seats are much firmer but I didn't find them uncomfortable. With the lighter construction and all the plastics inside, I doubt if the S stock will last as long as the A stock has!!
Some of the passengers seemed quite surprised and not quite sure of it,when the S stock turned up when I got on at Liverpool St and were not sure if they were boarding the right train.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 14:56:24 GMT
Have ridden S stock (train 411) two days running now. Not tried out the seats yet, and I only go Wembley Park to Finchley Road in an attempt (not always successful) to beat the Jubilee Line. Yesterday, a little time was spent at Wembley Park with the doors closed and the buttons active. Nice idea. The doors are otherwise fully TO-operated.
I must say, I like the trains. They may not be great for long journeys on the Met - I remember doing Baker Street to Chalfont & Latimer (for Chesham) once - but they are an improvement in enough ways that I prefer them. I particularly like the walk-through design.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2011 0:33:12 GMT
I got on one between Kings Cross and Farringdon last night and was quite impressed. The air-con or bendyness wasn't that much of a novelty as I've been on the Overground a lot recently, though it was odd having to press a button to open the doors after years of ones that do nothing.
There seemed to be a lot of room compared with other sub-surface trains even with the unusual layout of seats, which works well I think. I suspect the cantilevered seating makes it seem a lot bigger when it's empty, it does look strange seeing the seating hover in the air.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 20:21:26 GMT
My boyfriend, who has claustrophobia issues, says that he finds the S Stock more reassuring than the A Stock because they seem to be bigger inside, and feels that the lighting is also better.
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Post by jammers on Aug 22, 2011 17:55:50 GMT
Seats are shocking - sitting on a piece of thin cardboard covered in cloth for an hour - ergh.
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Post by alex92ts on Aug 22, 2011 20:49:31 GMT
Went on the Met today, Liverpool Street to Chesham and back (changing at Baker Street). Was surprised to only see 1 S-stock which was at Chalfont & Latimer. Thankfully it looks like we still have quite a bit of time to ride the A-stocks before they all go to the scrapheap.
I really think the exterior design of the S-stock is brilliant. Its the interior that I am really unsure of. I wonder if even more commuters up in Buckinghamshire will try to get the Chiltern service which is very comfortable, if they are faced with those S-stock seats to and from London every weekday!
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Post by metman on Aug 22, 2011 21:19:42 GMT
I'll be on the Chiltern in a few years and I live in Harrow!! ;D
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Post by metrailway on Aug 22, 2011 21:50:07 GMT
Went on the Met today, Liverpool Street to Chesham and back (changing at Baker Street). Was surprised to only see 1 S-stock which was at Chalfont & Latimer. Thankfully it looks like we still have quite a bit of time to ride the A-stocks before they all go to the scrapheap. I really think the exterior design of the S-stock is brilliant. Its the interior that I am really unsure of. I wonder if even more commuters up in Buckinghamshire will try to get the Chiltern service which is very comfortable, if they are faced with those S-stock seats to and from London every weekday! I'm sure they will migrate to the Turbos, especially if they extend them. The original Evergreen 3 plans adds fast services from Aylesbury via High Wycombe (taking approx 1hr) which would free up more seats on the existing via Met services, facilitating any migration.
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