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Post by metman on Jul 1, 2012 9:52:38 GMT
That is good news!! Are 5116 and 5118 coupled?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 1, 2012 10:08:48 GMT
Are 5116 and 5118 coupled? No, separate trains.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2012 12:30:39 GMT
So is today the last Official Day of A stock operation or will A stocks be running on other days?
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 1, 2012 12:40:27 GMT
Re. the update on Wikipedia : my feeling is that the update is premature. There are seven trains/fourteen units left - there is no way that ten units can be removed all at once! Assuming two more units go tomorrow, I think the best bet is to reinstate the remaining twelve units to 'in service' on the listings.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2012 12:46:25 GMT
After the planned disposal to Northwood (and onwards) on 11 July, there will be just eight units to provide four trains for passenger service. I must stress, that is the "plan". I'm sorry, but I treat Wiki at arms length - do you believe everything you read in the news?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 2, 2012 10:56:20 GMT
So is today the last Official Day of A stock operation or will A stocks be running on other days? At least 3 running this morning: 421 ?+5189S 426 ?+5231S 475 ?+5062S
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 2, 2012 11:59:14 GMT
T717 was today formed of N-5161+5024-S. Arrived Northwood Engineers' Siding at 1240.
Remaiining 6 trains are currently in service.
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Post by Fahad on Jul 2, 2012 12:14:54 GMT
Does T717 run in passenger service?
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 2, 2012 12:34:12 GMT
Does T717 run in passenger service? Parts of the inside of the train, including all the luggage racks and reusable seat squabs are removed before despatch for scrap : so the train is unsuitable for further passenger use.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 18:48:53 GMT
5024 and 6024 had left, on low-loaders, by about 1530.
Though sad to see them go, one has, I think, to admire the skill of the drivers of the low-loaders in getting the cars round tight corners and through what were, this afternoon, pretty busy streets of Northwood.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 19:13:47 GMT
Is T717 running again this Wednesday? or are there two T717s scheduled for next week? as reganorak's earlier posting suggests that only 4 units will remain following Wed 11. July's run of T717. These will then be the 4 hot spares during the Olympics etc. before a final withdrawal in September.
MTIA for any further info.
Best Wishes
Green Lion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 5:26:29 GMT
Is there going to be a scrap train today?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 14:13:49 GMT
A-Stock 5112/3 transferred from Neasden to Acton Works today
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Post by a60 on Jul 4, 2012 14:56:35 GMT
Stands to reason that it must be the third preserved unit. Or does it?
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Post by 21146 on Jul 4, 2012 15:03:27 GMT
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Post by Ben on Jul 4, 2012 18:18:20 GMT
I saw one out and about in service today I think, crossing the bridge at Ruislip Manor.
It was quite reassuring to see; they really will build up a cult following!
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Post by a60 on Jul 4, 2012 18:36:05 GMT
Lets hope there wont be a religion built up to follow them... A Stockology.
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 4, 2012 18:52:52 GMT
Nothing at Northwood this evening.....not even just a single 4-Car Unit I was half expecting to see given today's development concerning 5112.
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Post by Chris W on Jul 4, 2012 18:58:05 GMT
Lets hope there wont be a religion built up to follow them... A Stockology. I like your post so much, you've forced my hand - see my image of 5064 and text to the left I need to update the forum A stock list post, which I will have done by this time next week... Promise
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Post by a60 on Jul 4, 2012 19:37:22 GMT
Perhaps we need metman and redsetter as senior clergymen. Nice one Chris.
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Post by metman on Jul 5, 2012 6:46:12 GMT
5112 has gone to Acton then. It'll never run again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 7:20:24 GMT
Nothing at Northwood this evening.....not even just a single 4-Car Unit I was half expecting to see given today's development concerning 5112. I was going to ask whether T717 had run yesterday (Wed 04/07/12) just with 5022-5023, after it had been uncoupled from 5112-5113, but it seems that this didn't happen. My best guess is that this will be formed up with 5188-5189 to form one of the 2 scrap trains next week and with 5034-5035 and 5230-5231 already been formed up, that this will form the other scrap train next week, and then they'll have 3 and a half 8 car trains left by next Wednesday (11/07/12). The reason why I'm tipping these 2 A8 trains to go is that they consist of the last 2 remaining single-ended A60s plus the last 2 A62 units and there'll then be 7 double-ended A60s left. My theories are bound to be proved wrong next week, so if anyone really in the know could update us, that'd be brilliant!. Thanks to all who post gen on this thread!. Best Wishes Green Lion.
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Post by redsetter on Jul 5, 2012 10:36:31 GMT
5110 was sent to acton,however i did read this returned later to neasden. www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/6679969531/its a case of wait and see what develops,thankfully its near the end of northwood and those terribly sad sights.
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Post by a60 on Jul 5, 2012 12:03:02 GMT
Apparently 5112 is going to be a source of spares? Is there any validity to these claims?
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Post by metman on Jul 5, 2012 16:49:47 GMT
I believe this is the plan. It will ensure that the RATs can be kept going. Hopefully they both have trouble free runs and 5112 may be a possible preservation candidate?? Wishful thinking no doubt, but it does give me more time to win the lotto....
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Post by a60 on Jul 5, 2012 18:21:28 GMT
I heard on here and another forum that 5112/3 was also going to be kept back as the third preserved unit as opposed to 5116 which still has some damage (where?) from the Kilburn crash of '84.
Although if I'm honest I would have prefered the saved one to be 5118 purely on the basis of its high-pitched MA.
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Post by metman on Jul 5, 2012 18:35:50 GMT
Sadly neither are to be preserved.....
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Post by a60 on Jul 5, 2012 19:01:57 GMT
Where did this info come from about it being cannibalised? Or would it be in contravention of rules for you to tell?
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Post by graeme186 on Jul 5, 2012 20:07:31 GMT
Could it be that either 5112 or 5113 will be handed over to the London Transport Musuem for static preservation? The remaining three cars would then be disposed of direct from Acton or Ealing Common at a future date?
I would think that 5022 has been withdrawn and will be disposed of on Monday or Wednesday next week. I expect a further 8 Cars to be disposed of next week leaving four A Stock trains available for use over the period of the Olympics.
Of the four trains being held back for this period, I wonder if we will find that they will be made up of 6 double ended units and 2 single ended units (1 x 'A' and 1 x 'D'). It could be that current formation 5034+5189 will be the last 'A' End and 'D' End formation.
As always, we will see.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 5, 2012 20:18:41 GMT
5116 which still has some damage (where?) from the Kilburn crash of '84. Only car 6116 was part of the unit involved in the collision, and according to the accident report 'sustained relatively little damage'. Any damage to the car would have been repaired when it was returned to service, there couldn't have been anything serious anyway as trailers 6208 and 6209 had been withdrawn and stored by the time the new 5116 was formed, they weren't scrapped until over a year later. The unit has also been in service for nearly 20 years since then. If there is a reason not to preserve unit 5116, it's more likely to be that it's not an original formation, or because it has the numbers of the cars that were damaged in the collision. I've often wondered why 5036-6116-6037-5037 became unit 5116 when it returned to service, as 5008 (ex 5034)-6008-6009-5009 were renumbered as unit 5234. Of course 6116 couldn't have been renumbered to 6036 unless the Rail Adhesion Car was also renumbered, but then why didn't the unit become 5236? Or why didn't 5008 keep its existing numbers? All I can think of is that the two units were to become double ended with de-icing equipment, and 5116 was in a series of similar units. However 5008 was in a series used for A end units so it was renumbered to the end with 5232, also double ended but not a de-icing unit. Then there's the question of why were 5000 and 5004 fitted with such equipment when they were refurbished, instead of 5232 and 5066, as that would've kept the numbering neater and there wouldn't have been any single ended de-icing units. But this has got very off topic by now.
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