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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 14:52:52 GMT
There's obviously been a last minute change of plan! Today's T717 formed of (N)5099+5106(S). Arrived 1250 Northwood Engineers' Siding. Thanks so much for the update. Wow! that is a surprise; two double ended units gone in one go and these were supposed to be some of the last ones to go. As someone else said previously, it is now sudden death with no unit safe; apart from 5116-5117, which I understand is going to be preserved. Best wishes to all Green Lion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 15:59:40 GMT
todays scrap train arriving at Northwood.
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Post by a60 on May 21, 2012 17:06:45 GMT
Just noticed from looking at that video, nearly all the door indicator lights had been taken off...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2012 20:12:24 GMT
Just noticed from looking at that video, nearly all the door indicator lights had been taken off... I noticed that with the previous weeks scrap train too. |
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Post by astock5000 on May 22, 2012 1:26:49 GMT
There's obviously been a last minute change of plan! Today's T717 formed of (N)5099+5106(S). Arrived 1250 Northwood Engineers' Siding. That's annoying, I hadn't filmed 5106. At least I've got several videos of the other end of that unit (hopefully 5100 won't be withdrawn just yet). Wow! that is a surprise; two double ended units gone in one go and these were supposed to be some of the last ones to go. As someone else said previously, it is now sudden death with no unit safe; apart from 5116-5117, which I understand is going to be preserved. We're now at the point where formations are not being changed regularly, so the flexibility of double ended units is less useful, and there's no need to keep the de-icing units now. Some of the double ended 67TS units were withdrawn much earlier compared to what's happening with the A stock, and one of the last three 67TS trains was formed of two single ended units. So it makes sense that the units in the worst condition or need maintenance are withdrawn first now, whatever type they are. If 5116 is to be preserved, I hope that's because of it's condition as it's not an original formation (it seems very unlikely that there would be funding to 'de-refurb' it and swap 6116 with 6036 once the RAT is withdrawn). Of the units that are left, either 5090 (ran 'official' last Chesham shuttle) or 5123 (last A60 built) would seem better, unless there are any problems with them. But anyway I don't think it's been confirmed that it will be 5116. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 6:59:16 GMT
I'd like 5120, 5121 has very loud motors but unfortunately unhealthy sounding motors in the end closest the inter-car door.
I still feel it is a huge shame that an A62 will not be preserved.
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Post by redsetter on May 22, 2012 11:29:12 GMT
it is.
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Post by malcolmffc on May 22, 2012 12:48:59 GMT
We should be grateful that any stock are being preserved at all in the current climate. Given the limited space and funding of the LTM, it would surely be a waste to preserve both an A60 and A62, which are (to the casual observer)virtually identical.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 13:23:01 GMT
Just noticed from looking at that video, nearly all the door indicator lights had been taken off... They should also had taken off the red LED tail lights and replaced the current LED tail light units on the Piccadilly 1973 stock, which you can't see if they are switched on or off in bright daylight. |
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Post by v52gc on May 22, 2012 16:31:17 GMT
They should also had taken off the red LED tail lights and replaced the current LED tail light units on the Piccadilly 1973 stock, which you can't see if they are switched on or off in bright daylight. Thankfully you can see the train in bright daylight! ;D But I do agree with you, the ones on the As are superior. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 17:42:06 GMT
We should be grateful that any stock are being preserved at all in the current climate. Given the limited space and funding of the LTM, it would surely be a waste to preserve both an A60 and A62, which are (to the casual observer)virtually identical. The point is, is that there is 3 A stocks being kept and one of them is a reformed train (5234) and one of them is in original formation (5110). The third one thought to be 5116 is also a reformed unit. They are all A60's. As much as I like 5116 it would be nice to see one of the few remaining A62's left behind. 5230 is probably the most significant in being the last A stock built. |
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Post by a60 on May 22, 2012 19:33:23 GMT
A62s do have their place in history as well, they were the first to use what the Reavell TBC38Z reciprocating compressor as opposed to the rotary Westinghouse DHC5A that the A60s used.
NOTE: Please correct me if I have misidentified compressor types, thanks.
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Post by graeme186 on May 22, 2012 19:45:51 GMT
Would someone be able to kindly confirm whether or not T717 will be running tomorrow (Wednesday)?
5134+5161, 5016+5169 and 5060+5090 have all been in service today and with no S8 delivery Monday night, my thinking leads me to believe there will be no further scrap move this week? Also, there doesn't appear to be quite the rush to dispose of Monday's train with 5098/99 still in situ this evening.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 19:46:30 GMT
We should be grateful that any stock are being preserved at all in the current climate. I understand what you mean, but the A stock are significant in the fact they are quite a remarkable piece of British engineering. Its very doubtful that any other mass transit vehicle will ever defeat the 50 years of service they have provided, under such heavy use. A record I think that’s worthy of having one being displayed at the national railway museum in York. Not having one preserved would be shameful really. |
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Post by alfie on May 22, 2012 20:05:29 GMT
5121 was also in service today.
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Post by superteacher on May 22, 2012 20:07:10 GMT
A62s do have their place in history as well, they were the first to use what the Reavell TBC38Z reciprocating compressor as opposed to the rotary Westinghouse DHC5A that the A60s used. NOTE: Please correct me if I have misidentified compressor types, thanks. It's the Westinghouse that I'll miss most. A unique sound that is fast disappearing. |
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Post by t697 on May 22, 2012 20:11:25 GMT
DHC5A is the last one on LU passenger stock with a reduction gear drive between the electric motor and the compressor. Expensive replacement gears fitted to most of them about 15 years ago.
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Post by redsetter on May 22, 2012 20:15:38 GMT
We should be grateful that any stock are being preserved at all in the current climate. I understand what you mean, but the A stock are significant in the fact they are quite a remarkable piece of British engineering. Its very doubtful that any other mass transit vehicle will ever defeat the 50 years of service they have provided, under such heavy use. A record I think that’s worthy of having one being displayed at the national railway museum in York. Not having one preserved would be shameful really. unfortunately these true words seem largely unheeded and passed off as end of life with little consideration.its a great shame.anyone of a similar age appreciates fully what your saying. all that has been witnessed is scrap scrap scrap.compounded worse by the unique 5000 with a roof section cut to remove the numbering and then scrapped itself. its a sad end to a fine achievement. |
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Post by allan60 on May 22, 2012 20:50:29 GMT
Would someone be able to kindly confirm whether or not T717 will be running tomorrow (Wednesday)? 5134+5161, 5016+5169 and 5060+5090 have all been in service today and with no S8 delivery Monday night, my thinking leads me to believe there will be no further scrap move this week? Also, there doesn't appear to be quite the rush to dispose of Monday's train with 5098/99 still in situ this evening. Unlikely because according to bob parsons the first S7 is on its way, 21301/302, so it may be the case of no scrap tomorrow  |
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Post by superteacher on May 22, 2012 20:56:21 GMT
I understand what you mean, but the A stock are significant in the fact they are quite a remarkable piece of British engineering. Its very doubtful that any other mass transit vehicle will ever defeat the 50 years of service they have provided, under such heavy use. A record I think that’s worthy of having one being displayed at the national railway museum in York. Not having one preserved would be shameful really. unfortunately these true words seem largely unheeded and passed off as end of life with little consideration.its a great shame.anyone of a similar age appreciates fully what your saying. all that has been witnessed is scrap scrap scrap.compounded worse by the unique 5000 with a roof section cut to remove the numbering and then scrapped itself. its a sad end to a fine achievement. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ  Scrap, scrap, scrap? What else do you suggest we do with them? We can't keep them all! Just to ask - what consideration do we show these trains? Hold a funeral service as each one is scrapped? Get flowers? It's a train for heaven's sake. There are people who are starving in the world, dying of diseases, being persecuted etc. Put things into perspective! I daresay you'll be the one wearing black on the final day of the A stock in a few weeks time . . . |
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Post by superteacher on May 22, 2012 20:58:50 GMT
Would someone be able to kindly confirm whether or not T717 will be running tomorrow (Wednesday)? 5134+5161, 5016+5169 and 5060+5090 have all been in service today and with no S8 delivery Monday night, my thinking leads me to believe there will be no further scrap move this week? Also, there doesn't appear to be quite the rush to dispose of Monday's train with 5098/99 still in situ this evening. Unlikely because according to bob parsons the first S7 is on its way, 21301/302, so it may be the case of no scrap tomorrow The S7 is on its way from Litchurch Lane to the Old Dalby test track, so won't be coming to London for a while yet. |
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Post by alfie on May 22, 2012 21:19:44 GMT
Just to ask - what consideration do we show these trains? Hold a funeral service as each one is scrapped? Get flowers? I daresay you'll be the one wearing black on the final day of the A stock in a few weeks time . . . You've given me an idea. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 22, 2012 22:23:00 GMT
Its very doubtful that any other mass transit vehicle will ever defeat the 50 years of service they have provided, under such heavy use. The MP59 stock on lines 4 and 11 of the Paris Metro are over 50 years old, and the similar MR-63 stock in Montreal will be just over 50 years old by the time they finally go in 2017. |
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Post by a60 on May 22, 2012 23:14:17 GMT
MP59s will be in their 50th year next year, MP59 name is somewhat misleading I suppose.
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Post by redsetter on May 22, 2012 23:25:38 GMT
yes but line 4 is quoted as 6.6 miles and line 11 at 3.9 miles.
montrael quoted as 43 miles that's between four lines and still have another five years.
its not really a fare comparison and detracts from the A stocks prestige.a uk not a foreign owned company.
in many ways this highlights where all this as derailed on a wider spectrum.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 23, 2012 9:13:19 GMT
Its very doubtful that any other mass transit vehicle will ever defeat the 50 years of service they have provided, under such heavy use. The MP59 stock on lines 4 and 11 of the Paris Metro are over 50 years old, and the similar MR-63 stock in Montreal will be just over 50 years old by the time they finally go in 2017. Be quick if you want to catch MP59s on line 4 : they're in the process of being replaced by MP89s from line 1. (sorry, off topic!) |
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Post by Deep Level on May 23, 2012 13:17:11 GMT
With almost all of the S8 Stock Trains here, how long until we can expect the last A Stock Train to leave Neasden?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 13:54:09 GMT
Just to ask - what consideration do we show these trains? Hold a funeral service as each one is scrapped? Get flowers? It's a train for heaven's sake. There are people who are starving in the world, dying of diseases, being persecuted etc. Put things into perspective! I daresay you'll be the one wearing black on the final day of the A stock in a few weeks time . . . What a mature way of responding to a post...  If you'd see the point I was trying to get across you'll see I was just trying to raise the point of the significance of these trains. Did I mention for one second we should keep ever one of them and start becoming emotionally attached to them? no. My point was that these trains are a great piece of engineering and a few should be kept. For instance they could be learnt from as a way of building new stock in the future. I would really appreciate it if you actually responded to it with something with substance rather than writing a load of over the top rubbish about "having a funeral for a train" Superteacher - I really do apologise for ranting away like that but I just think some of your post was a bit uncalled for that's all.  |
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Post by Deep Level on May 23, 2012 13:57:22 GMT
I agree with Ajax, not that the trains are great as I don't think so but it is certainly going to be a shame to see them go. Personally I think that one of every train S Stock should be kept when replaced and held somewhere (maybe a new Museum Depot or Museum?).
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 14:02:45 GMT
Sidestepping the discussion lamenting the passing of the A Stock, my daily commute on the Met from Baker St to Liverpool St is becoming increasingly S stock dominated and indeed the last week or so has seen a noticeable drop in A stock runs. How happy was I then to dash on to the IR platform at Liverpool St last night to have an A stock pull in on a Watford run. I took my covetted driving car seat (the ones next to the cab door) in car 4 and enjoyed a good run with the windows open. Sadly it is only a matter of time now and that end of peak journey saw no other A stock pass us or in the platforms at Baker St. This morning it was only S stock as well. |
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