A Stock withdrawals - Discussion

there's a video on youtube of 5000 dated filmed 10/03/12,hardly on its last leg's.

I've just uploaded another (250Mb) vid of 5000 / 5232 resting quietly at Watford as T446 on Weds 4th April - its penultimate day running in service :



Such a shame these are soon to disappear forever...

5050 will for the North end of the scrap on Monday, and will the scrap run operate on Wednesday aswell?

Even as a passenger I could tell it was one of the better units out of the remaining lot

Re. the comments about parts not being made available, the museum were offered a free choice of what to have recovered. This includes other items as well as the luggage racks, which seem to have generated most interest. Some parts are also being recovered for use on other preserved LU stock (Q-stock?), as well as for the other legacy LU fleets. Attempts were made to set up an official means of enthusiasts acquiring parts direct from depot, but this was unsuccessful. Requests to buy parts can be made via the scrap merchants.

It's not crazy if was just about to require a full lift (i.e. heavy maintenance). Money for running railways doesn't come out of thin air, and finances have a big influence of decisions.

Thanks for the advice undergrounddriver re wed's formation of T717.

Today's formation was a little late arriving in Northwood Engineers' Sdg, approx 1315. This was probably due to some late running on the Met following this morning's incident on the Jubilee Line at Finchley Road.

5040/5194 are working T421 for the evening peak as follows:

1616 Ald-Ux1713
1723 Ux-BSt 1805
1813 BSt-Ux 1855
1906 Ux-Ald 1959
2017 Ald-Ux 2115
2125 Ux-Ald 2224
2232 Ald-Ux 2328
2340 Ux-BSt 0022
0035 BSt-HOH 0059
Then ECS to Neasden
arriving at 0132.

Useful info.

However that’s not the opinion of Booths or Knights rail at Eastleigh. In the case of Booths where I enquired last year to buy a complete 67 stock DM. They were unable to get permission from LUL to release an entire carriage, but could possibly release part of one. And the statement was that "LUL would not permit them to sell complete carriages", only bits of them. By that I assume seats, carriage numbers, blinds, and so on.

Even if they could sell a complete carriage they would not be pushed on a final price, but ball park figure was in the “thousands”. Admittedly this enquiry was about ten months ago – so the decision might be different in respect of complete units.

However they did offer to sell me a cab section (subject to them obtaining permission) for £5,000, but not the rest. Although I was more interested in the entire carriage, not part of it.

In the case of 5000, on the 11th April 12, I sent an e-mail to Knights asking if I could purchase the front part of the carriage (using the "buying parts ruse"!) (Then indeed if they were happy with that proposal - I was then planning to push for the complete thing!).

In this case, I was told that Knights Rail “were not able not enter into any negotiations regarding LU vehicles”. A pretty clear - short e-mail.

So that’s the current state of play. Both enquires were serious propositions. If they can sell parts then perhaps someone at LUL can tell them they can. As both scrap merchants seem to imply there’s contractual obligations to uphold. I think Knights reply is pretty clear.

However perhaps as you say LTM were given first call on any parts from these trains, then perhaps, LTM could step in and act as intermediary in the selling of complete carriages on LULs behalf? Not at skyrocket figures though! If they don’t, then none will pass into preservation.

Dean

I saw both 5149 & 6149 heading northbound on the M1 between J20 and J21 at about 6pm tonight.

Todays run just passed harrow.

195/40

Underground Driver, any predictions of what will be the last A stock units in service as things stand?

I'm not convinced - although 67 stock has been stored at Eastleigh, this was with a specific possibility of re-use for making up additional trains on the Bakerloo Line.

If 5000 was to be retained for some hypothetical alternative use, I would have thought it would stay on LU metals, therefore avoiding what are presumably storage costs at Eastleigh.

On a different note, I have seen documentation suggesting a possible A stock railtour during May, but I don't know if there are any definite plans. Plan was to cover all of the Met Line including some non-passenger moves.