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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 17:19:20 GMT
Two questions: Why has 21467/468 not been delivered yet? Now that the S7 order has been increased by one train is this instead of or in addition to the extra S8 that was supposed to be ordered for the new Watford line? Not sure on 1st question. Train 192 is an S7+1 for the Met line extension (as Croxley rail link is now known). Buying another S8 was too expensive.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 17:44:03 GMT
Two questions: Why has 21467/468 not been delivered yet? Test train for new signalling. |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 24, 2016 17:50:02 GMT
Two questions: Why has 21467/468 not been delivered yet? Now that the S7 order has been increased by one train is this instead of or in addition to the extra S8 that was supposed to be ordered for the new Watford line? Not sure on 1st question. Train 192 is an S7+1 for the Met line extension (as Croxley rail link is now known). Buying another S8 was too expensive.. Hmm, can someone explain why a true S8 would be more expensive than an S7+1.
I suppose maybe there's costs involved in reconfiguring the production line to make the S8 interiors? Maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 17:57:51 GMT
I think it's because there is already a S7+1, the options are order another S8 and re configure the S7+1 or order a S7 plus another car to replace the one that was on loan to the S7+1
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Post by metman on Jan 24, 2016 19:09:34 GMT
I'm sure it is to do with the production line being set up for S7s. Interestingly, I wonder how the S7+1 differs technically from an S8. What are the existing temporary formations? DM-M1-M2-MS+MS-M1-M1-DM?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 20:09:33 GMT
I notice the S7s seem to have a 20 mph speed restriction imposed on them through Kew Gardens westbound. I was wondering, how long has this been the case (have I just not been paying much attention?) and why has it been imposed?
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Post by mb2014 on Jan 24, 2016 21:00:12 GMT
Two questions: Why has 21467/468 not been delivered yet? Now that the S7 order has been increased by one train is this instead of or in addition to the extra S8 that was supposed to be ordered for the new Watford line? Not sure on 1st question. Train 192 is an S7+1 for the Met line extension (as Croxley rail link is now known). Buying another S8 was too expensive.. Will the eighth car of train 192 be NDM 23567? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 24, 2016 21:24:14 GMT
I notice the S7s seem to have a 20 mph speed restriction imposed on them through Kew Gardens westbound. I was wondering, how long has this been the case (have I just not been paying much attention?) and why has it been imposed? The 20mph restriction at Kew Gardens BOTH has been in place ever since the first test runs. The platform walls are vertical with no nosing stones jutting out on top. The S Stock is widest at the edge of the platform ( D Stock over-sails the platform edge), so a speed restriction has been imposed to prevent scraping. Network Rail were due to remove the problem last year but still no progress has been made. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 24, 2016 21:28:11 GMT
What are the existing temporary formations? DM-M1-M2-MS+MS-M1-M1-DM? DM-M1- M2D-MS-MS- M2D-M1-DM |
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Post by class411 on Jan 25, 2016 8:29:17 GMT
I notice the S7s seem to have a 20 mph speed restriction imposed on them through Kew Gardens westbound. I was wondering, how long has this been the case (have I just not been paying much attention?) and why has it been imposed? Slightly confused, here. Surely, all they all stop at Kew. Or does the front of the train actually pass the start of the platform at > 20 mph? Or is the restriction for 'Not in Service' trains? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 25, 2016 9:44:23 GMT
All S Stock trains have to reduce to 20mph to enter each platform and cannot resume normal speed until the rear of the train is clear of the platform.
This is different to D Stock and cl.378s which serve the same platforms.
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Post by philthetube on Jan 25, 2016 17:35:04 GMT
All S Stock trains have to reduce to 20mph to enter each platform and cannot resume normal speed until the rear of the train is clear of the platform. This is different to D Stock and cl.378s which serve the same platforms. Not on the Met. Re read post and now think probably just referring to Kew, Sorry |
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Post by tel on Jan 25, 2016 19:54:51 GMT
Newby noted in traffic.
21497/8 T210 14:12 Ebnd Barbican 25.01.2016
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Post by tel on Jan 25, 2016 20:00:51 GMT
Aoplogies.
Newby noted in traffic should have read:-
21491/2 T206 Ebnd 13:51 Ebnd Barbican 25.01.2016
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:23:33 GMT
Not sure on 1st question. Train 192 is an S7+1 for the Met line extension (as Croxley rail link is now known). Buying another S8 was too expensive.. Hmm, can someone explain why a true S8 would be more expensive than an S7+1.
I suppose maybe there's costs involved in reconfiguring the production line to make the S8 interiors? Maybe?
certainly. Firstly there is the cost of ordering the seating layout. An extra trains worth of lengthways seats that are already being made would be cheaper than getting the tooling for the companion seat tooling reset for just 1 train. Also while the trains are all the same technology wise, the wiring is slightly different due to some components being in different locations on an S7. This means the wiring will be different and bombardier may not have kept the supposed redundant wiring jigs which would be expensive to remake. This along with other production improvements and spec changes between the two types mean it's easier to have the train built and labelled as an S7+1 rather than an odd spec S8 that would be a pain to manage as an odd one out if built to s7 standards. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 25, 2016 22:54:37 GMT
So, how many S7+1 trains will there end up being on the Met?
Also, could it be possible to distribute the S7 cars throughout the rest of the S8 fleet so that the few trains which have the S7 cars only have the one? The idea being to reduce the 'hit' from the loss of seating on the specific journeys these trains make.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 2:06:16 GMT
If the plan doesn't change just 1, and the 2nd part, unlikely.
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Post by vato on Jan 26, 2016 16:44:06 GMT
That's a shame - I caught an S7+1 from zone 9 this morning, and it's rubbish compared to an S8 for a long journey.
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Post by t697 on Jan 26, 2016 18:33:31 GMT
So, how many S7+1 trains will there end up being on the Met? Also, could it be possible to distribute the S7 cars throughout the rest of the S8 fleet so that the few trains which have the S7 cars only have the one? The idea being to reduce the 'hit' from the loss of seating on the specific journeys these trains make. Simon Possible yes, but it won't happen. With two S7+1 trains, you'll only ride one about once in 30 trips.... |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 16, 2016 8:16:10 GMT
Tried to get a list of S vs D stock workings yesterday, but too many reformations and short tripping (but of course it was a good service . . .). Quite apparent, however, that the S stock now holds the upper hand.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 17, 2016 20:19:20 GMT
Had more success today -.Wednesday 17th February:
1 D
2 S
3 D
4 D
5 D
6 D
7 S
10 D
11 D
12 S
13 D
14 S
15 D
16 S
17 S
20 D
21 S
22 S
23 S
24 S
25 S
26 D
27 D
30 D
31 D
32 D
33 S
34 S
35 S
36 S
37 S
40 D
41 D
42 S
43 S
44 S
45 S
46 S
47 S
50 S
51 S
52 S
53 D
54 D
55 S
56 D
60 S
61 D
62 S
63 D
64 S
65 D
66 S
67 S
70 S
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72 S
73 S
74 S
75 S
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101 D
102 D
103 S
104 D
105 S
106 D
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D stock 30
S stock 46
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 21:55:40 GMT
Nice job. I'll have to start getting 62 in the mornings again if it's back to being S stock, it seemed to be D stock more often than not throughout December, after being a nominated S stock working since last February.
It is interesting to see how many are now running every day on the line, although sometimes there seems to be a block of D stocks trundling about.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 18, 2016 22:48:04 GMT
Nice job. I'll have to start getting 62 in the mornings again if it's back to being S stock, it seemed to be D stock more often than not throughout December, after being a nominated S stock working since last February. It is interesting to see how many are now running every day on the line, although sometimes there seems to be a block of D stocks trundling about. I wouldn't bank on any workings guaranteed to be D or S stock. It seems to change day by day! |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 19, 2016 5:38:52 GMT
I wouldn't bank on any workings guaranteed to be D or S stock. It seems to change day by day! A few considerations still need to be made: - T125 (AM) should be a D - that enough S stable at Upminster to form the Circle/H&C trains that starts there - that enough S stable at ECom to form the Circle/H&C trains that start there - that enough S stable at ECom to form the Edgware Rd services that start there - that enough D go to ECom to start from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 15, 16 (Ealing end) roads and 15, 16, 17 (Acton end) roads - as these are unavailable for S Stock - at Upminster 25-28 roads remain unavailable; 17-20 are unavailable for D; 30 31 37W 37E 62W 62E are unavailable for S. |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2016 8:39:11 GMT
I wouldn't bank on any workings guaranteed to be D or S stock. It seems to change day by day! A few considerations still need to be made: - T125 (AM) should be a D - that enough S stable at Upminster to form the Circle/H&C trains that starts there - that enough S stable at ECom to form the Circle/H&C trains that start there - that enough S stable at ECom to form the Edgware Rd services that start there - that enough D go to ECom to start from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 15, 16 (Ealing end) roads and 15, 16, 17 (Acton end) roads - as these are unavailable for S Stock - at Upminster 25-28 roads remain unavailable; 17-20 are unavailable for D; 30 31 37W 37E 62W 62E are unavailable for S. I suppose this is one of the reasons that the combined total of D and S stock currently available is significantly more than the total number of trains required to operate the service as it gives more flexibility. With the current rate of delivery of S stock, it would be possible to operate the whole service by late May. However, I suspect that won't happen until the depot situation is sorted with respect to stabling. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 19, 2016 11:58:53 GMT
I suppose this is one of the reasons that the combined total of D and S stock currently available is significantly more than the total number of trains required to operate the service as it gives more flexibility. With the current rate of delivery of S stock, it would be possible to operate the whole service by late May. However, I suspect that won't happen until the depot situation is sorted with respect to stabling. Ealing Common currently requires 25 trains to enter service (M-F am), 2 of these must S7 for Circle/H&C, 2 of these must S7 for Edgware Rd. Ealing Common currently only has berths for 20 S7 Stock or 32 D Stock. (3 roads remain out of use for either) Upminster currently requires 35 trains to enter service (M-F am), 3 of these must S7 for Circle/H&C. Upminster currently only has berths for 33 S7 Stock or 38 D Stock. (4 roads remain out of use for either) Lillie Bridge currently requires 9 trains to enter service (M-F am), 2 of these must S7 for Edgware Rd. Lille Bridge currently has berths for 12 S7 Stock or 9 D Stock. Parsons Green currently requires 7 trains to enter service (M-F am), 3 of these must S7 for Edgware Rd. all 7 roads at PG are compatible with both Stock. |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2016 12:18:14 GMT
Complicated! There are 102 S7's currently in London, not including the S7+1 trains on the Met. Some of the S7's are awaiting entry to service. The H&C need 31 trains for service, the District 76 which comes to 107. When are the depot roads due to be finished? They can't get rid of all the D's until then, and they wil run out of room for the S7's which are coming at a rate of 1 per week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 12:19:26 GMT
As of next Monday the number of D stock nominated workings will reduce to 23. Trains 3, 5, 30 & 65 deleted and train 56 added.
The Monday - Friday list is :
11, 15, 26, 56, 4, 101, 102, 10, 12, 105, 107, 20, 63, 125, 67, 62, 35, 66, 6, 1, 54, 124, 106.
Still on track to have enough S stocks to run the entire service from end of August / early September though a few Ds will survive probably until October / November.
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Post by paulsw2 on Mar 11, 2016 13:49:12 GMT
As of next Monday the number of D stock nominated workings will reduce to 23. Trains 3, 5, 30 & 65 deleted and train 56 added.
The Monday - Friday list is :
11, 15, 26, 56, 4, 101, 102, 10, 12, 105, 107, 20, 63, 125, 67, 62, 35, 66, 6, 1, 54, 124, 106.
Still on track to have enough S stocks to run the entire service from end of August / early September though a few Ds will survive probably until October / November.
Going through my duty book it appears a lot of the earlier Ealing Common stablers are the Nominated D workings |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 12, 2016 0:17:48 GMT
As of next Monday the number of D stock nominated workings will reduce to 23. Trains 3, 5, 30 & 65 deleted and train 56 added.
The Monday - Friday list is :
11, 15, 26, 56, 4, 101, 102, 10, 12, 105, 107, 20, 63, 125, 67, 62, 35, 66, 6, 1, 54, 124, 106.
Still on track to have enough S stocks to run the entire service from end of August / early September though a few Ds will survive probably until October / November.
Going through my duty book it appears a lot of the earlier Ealing Common stablers are the Nominated D workings I'm assuming that's because there is still work going on with the depot roads so that they can accommodate S stock, meaning that more D stock has to start / stable there. |
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