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Post by superteacher on Dec 31, 2015 14:35:13 GMT
Its very messy now. I had the same duty two days on the trot this week; day 1 both trains were D stock and on day 2 the first was an S whilst the second was a D. On the third day I was spare and had the same train as the second one on this duty.....and that was an S. All of these trains came out Upminster depot each morning and I'm on earlies so none were reformed. Another driver had a similar experience on two different days - same duty yet day 1 was two S's and on day 2 the first was a D.......again all trains originated from Upminster depot and he was on early turns with no reforms having occured. The number of each stock in service is probably right, but the depots seem to be doing their own thing most days rather than paying any attention to the nominated lists that keep getting put out. Frankly I ignore the nomination lists now......just wait and see what appears in the platform.... Which begs the question - what is the point of the nominated workings lists? |
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Post by Colin on Dec 31, 2015 14:50:45 GMT
Prexactly!
Officially workings have to be managed because Ealing Common depot can only cope with a certain number of S's. Two or three working's must be S stock because they have a scheduled OPO alarm test and one must be a D on normal weekdays due to the Mansion House rusty rail move.
But yeah, things are not particuarly consistent from one day to the next which is quite bizarre.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 31, 2015 15:04:07 GMT
Prexactly! Officially workings have to be managed because Ealing Common depot can only cope with a certain number of S's. Two or three working's must be S stock because they have a scheduled OPO alarm test and one must be a D on normal weekdays due to the Mansion House rusty rail move. But yeah, things are not particuarly consistent from one day to the next which is quite bizarre. Which should be fairly easy in theory! So Upminster could bash out as many S stocks as they want on the trains which end up stabling there. There's also no issue with what ends up at PGR or Lillie Bridge, or the one train which stables at Barking, Richmond or HSK. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 18:28:26 GMT
Prexactly! Officially workings have to be managed because Ealing Common depot can only cope with a certain number of S's. Two or three working's must be S stock because they have a scheduled OPO alarm test and one must be a D on normal weekdays due to the Mansion House rusty rail move. But yeah, things are not particuarly consistent from one day to the next which is quite bizarre. Which should be fairly easy in theory! So Upminster could bash out as many S stocks as they want on the trains which end up stabling there. There's also no issue with what ends up at PGR or Lillie Bridge, or the one train which stables at Barking, Richmond or HSK. Even the train that stables at Richmond Train 117 is random now. Was an S last night and a D the night before. |
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Post by Colin on Jan 1, 2016 3:58:05 GMT
So Upminster could bash out as many S stocks as they want on the trains which end up stabling there. There's also no issue with what ends up at PGR or Lillie Bridge, or the one train which stables at Barking, Richmond or HSK. In terms of PG, Lillie Bridge & Barking.......it does still matter in terms of which depot they end up at in the evening! Upminster can handle pretty much a full compliment of S stocks physically as almost all roads are now S stock enabled - but I'm not too sure where they are in terms of depot staff qualified to prep them. Certainly until recently that was an issue. Ealing Common is the opposite - as far as I'm aware they have enough depot staff qualified to prep but only half the depot is physically S stock enabled. The latest rumour doing the rounds in the week before Christmas is that as the number of D stocks dwindle, they'll be concentrated on workings that start &/or finish at Ealing Common whilst Upminster will become the more prominent S stock depot. Who know's for sure........the situation is ever changing....... |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 13, 2016 18:15:41 GMT
Hi somethings been bugging me since yesterday. Do the internal door buttons on the S Stock function as porters buttons? I ask because yesterday at Barking a District train for Upminster was terminated early, and I saw the T/Op walk through the cars one by one and detrain by pressing/holding the button on one of the doors in each car for a few seconds, and the doors in that car then closed and the yellow external interlock? light went out. He did this for each car.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 18:38:08 GMT
Hi somethings been bugging me since yesterday. Do the internal door buttons on the S Stock function as porters buttons? I ask because yesterday at Barking a District train for Upminster was terminated early, and I saw the T/Op walk through the cars one by one and detrain by pressing/holding the button on one of the doors in each car for a few seconds, and the doors in that car then closed and the yellow external interlock? light went out. He did this for each car. How did they press the internal button if the doors are open, I thought they were covered by the car body when open. |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 13, 2016 18:40:17 GMT
Hi somethings been bugging me since yesterday. Do the internal door buttons on the S Stock function as porters buttons? I ask because yesterday at Barking a District train for Upminster was terminated early, and I saw the T/Op walk through the cars one by one and detrain by pressing/holding the button on one of the doors in each car for a few seconds, and the doors in that car then closed and the yellow external interlock? light went out. He did this for each car. How did they press the internal button if the doors are open, I thought they were covered by the car body when open. He pressed the ones on the other (closed) side |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 13, 2016 19:50:01 GMT
It was originally kept quiet how the porter buttons would work, however I've read in a few places now (including elsewhere on here) that what you observed is correct. I believe the train op has to enable (what I am calling) "porter mode" from the cab for the open buttons to operate in reverse. I wonder if the interior door open buttons still open the doors once they've been portered closed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 20:01:02 GMT
The mode has to be enabled, imagine if it was on in service and someone was leaning on the button.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 13, 2016 20:55:48 GMT
The mode has to be enabled, imagine if it was on in service and someone was leaning on the button. Well yes, I said that. What I am envisaging is whilst the train is being closed up, do the interior open buttons still open the doors? |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 13, 2016 21:54:57 GMT
The mode has to be enabled, imagine if it was on in service and someone was leaning on the button. I daresay Porter Mode can only be selected when the driver's key is removed. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 13, 2016 22:04:51 GMT
What I am envisaging is whilst the train is being closed up, do the interior open buttons still open the doors? No, they will now be close buttons. Once the doors on that car are closed, the buttons are now disabled on that car. I daresay Porter Mode can only be selected when the driver's key is removed. "Platform Close" can only be enabled when the cab is live, the key must be removed when walking down the train. |
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Post by wimblephil on Jan 14, 2016 8:23:16 GMT
I have (another) question! RE: the doors.
Just come into Wimbledon Park and it seems only one set of doors per car opened. Is this a feature of the SDO on S-Stock? No announcement or apologies from the T-Op.
Severe delays on the branch this morning too, so lucky it only happened at WP and not Southfields too or there'd have been mayhem...!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 14, 2016 8:32:57 GMT
SDO is not operative at Wimbledon Park or Southfields and all doors should have opened on all cars.
It is possible to put the doors into 'passenger only' mode, whereby the doors will only open if the passengers push the button. This mode should not be used.
(service was suspended until 0758, signals failing at Fulham Broadway)
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Post by wimblephil on Jan 14, 2016 8:47:35 GMT
SDO is not operative at Wimbledon Park or Southfields and all doors should have opened on all cars. It is possible to put the doors into 'passenger only' mode, whereby the doors will only open if the passengers push the button. This mode should not be used. (service was suspended until 0758, signals failing at Fulham Broadway) Indeed thats why I'm intrigued as to what happened! I was stood right next to a set of doors, I think the middle ones on the third car. After the train came to a stop, the doors did not open, the button on the doors did not light up, but there was apparently a set open a couple of doors up on the next car, and I think the next set down on the car I was on. As I say, it appeared there was just one set open per car, but the train was very packed so I can't guarantee that that is what actually occurred... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 11:17:57 GMT
Faulty cable at PG for WF130 trainstop
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 16:55:36 GMT
I believe that if you miss the stopping mark and have to use the CSDE override equipment (whatever they're calling that these days), then it won't open all the doors. Is it possible that's what happened here?
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 14, 2016 17:38:12 GMT
In that case only the doors in the first or first and last cars wouldn't open, and all the others would, not one set per car etc
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 14, 2016 17:41:06 GMT
I believe that if you miss the stopping mark and have to use the CSDE override equipment (whatever they're calling that these days), then it won't open all the doors. Is it possible that's what happened here? If the train/TBC remains in the braking arc for the length of the platform, only the front 3 doors will remain closed when 'emergency open' is used due to missed stopping mark. If the TBC has been placed into 'off & release' anytime along the length of the platform the default full SDO will operate and keep both the front 3 and rear 3 doors closed. |
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Post by wimblephil on Jan 14, 2016 17:52:41 GMT
So mystery...! Perhaps just some technical glitch!?
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Post by class411 on Jan 14, 2016 18:07:57 GMT
Meanwhile, any news of new S7 deliveries/workings?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 18:11:27 GMT
One came down this week
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 18:27:07 GMT
I believe that if you miss the stopping mark and have to use the CSDE override equipment (whatever they're calling that these days), then it won't open all the doors. Is it possible that's what happened here? If the train/TBC remains in the braking arc for the length of the platform, only the front 3 doors will remain closed when 'emergency open' is used due to missed stopping mark. If the TBC has been placed into 'off & release' anytime along the length of the platform the default full SDO will operate and keep both the front 3 and rear 3 doors closed. I have been on a couple of journeys where there seems to be a time delay before the doors open. Is there a time delay or just the driver getting used to not just hitting a yellow button? |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 14, 2016 18:51:55 GMT
We've had this recently, there's a slight delay; S Stock has to confirm it's correctly berthed in the platform before the doors can open.
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Post by t697 on Jan 14, 2016 23:30:04 GMT
So mystery...! Perhaps just some technical glitch!? It's most likely that the train stopped just beyond the edge of the CSDE 'window' and the CSDE signal was present on train only fleetingly when the T/Op pressed 'Open'. Because of the complex and diverse safety controls, occasionally this results in some of the doors opening and others not doing so. Often the T/Op will notice this from cab indication diagram and maybe the OPO monitors and may then use the override, opening the rest of the doors other than the end cars, assuming the CSDE signal has not come back. |
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Post by wimblephil on Jan 15, 2016 12:17:58 GMT
I see! Sounds plausible!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 17:11:55 GMT
Meanwhile, any news of new S7 deliveries/workings? Three of the four trains planned to be introduced in January are already in service. Each replaces a D stock which will be disposed of. Same plan applies for future months. The deliveries to London will be 4 a month except there are a couple of extra trains due down between early Jan and early Feb to clear out one of the storage facilities up north. |
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Post by mb2014 on Jan 24, 2016 15:13:14 GMT
Two questions:
Why has 21467/468 not been delivered yet?
Now that the S7 order has been increased by one train is this instead of or in addition to the extra S8 that was supposed to be ordered for the new Watford line?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 15:19:04 GMT
Probably ATO testing that was what was happening with 21345/46.
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