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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 7:14:32 GMT
Excellent. Am really looking forward to taking a ride on one. Just need to wait for the necessary power and the like to be upgraded in central London for me to take a trip up to Wembley.
On an aside, on match days at Wembley, there are always big queues to get onto trains at Wembley Park. Once the JL and Met upgrades are complete, including all the new Stock being in service with thier higher capacity (see what I did there), I wonder what impact that will have on the length of time people queue. Am hoping it will be very positive.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2010 16:33:09 GMT
So with three soon to be around, how soon till we see them running to Baker Street? The platforms look extended now.
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Post by prjb on Oct 7, 2010 19:04:25 GMT
If you mean in service (they have already been to Baker Street during Engineering hours), not until December at the earliest. I think 'another two this month' is a bit ambitious.
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Post by metman on Oct 7, 2010 22:16:12 GMT
What's the production number up to now?
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Post by vato on Oct 8, 2010 8:11:24 GMT
I saw two pairs of class 20s outside Neasden along with the tanker translators last night (i think - i was slightly innebriated).
Did they really use 4 locos on a move, or has there been more than one move, or did I have double vision?
Also saw the vinyl'd S stock as train 547 leaving harrow, and passed it later at moor park.
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Post by setttt on Oct 8, 2010 9:08:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 17:02:14 GMT
I got to ride it! And it was all thanks to my cunning as well. I was cruising past Neasden depot in an A stock en route to North Harrow when I saw it sitting outside the depot showing a destination of Watford. I that it would only have its destination display on if it was about to enter service. So I got off at Wembley Park to wait and see. Sure enough, about five or so minutes later it emerged from some kind of tunnel.
The train was so long and continuous. The seats were much more comfortable than the class 378. The DVA wasn't spliced particularly well though. The air con was a nice addition today. It was a little bit toasty on the A stock.
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Post by prjb on Oct 10, 2010 22:53:59 GMT
What's the production number up to now? 15/16? 12 trains to be precise. 2 Pre-Production trains and 9 built with a 10th on the production line. |
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Post by dangeruxb on Nov 3, 2010 12:35:52 GMT
Despite all the strike disruption, I managed to Jump Train 401 from Harrow - Wembley park this morning with S-Stock Set 008 (car 21008 etc) running it. Very impressed with the ride, lack of noise, brightness and consistant temperature throughout. I even had a walk through for the novelty factor.
Driver did say on terminating at Wembley that there still not allowed any further south then Wembley yet though
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Post by deadmans on Nov 3, 2010 17:02:13 GMT
21009/10 will be out shortly.
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Post by deadmans on Nov 4, 2010 7:29:48 GMT
005 in the house. Or stuck outside, because the yard is full.!!
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Post by dangeruxb on Nov 4, 2010 11:10:38 GMT
We had another delivery overnight to. Couldnt see the Unit number but was still all coupled up to the 20's and barriers @ 09:35 this morning
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Post by deadmans on Nov 4, 2010 15:54:24 GMT
We had another delivery overnight to. Couldnt see the Unit number but was still all coupled up to the 20's and barriers @ 09:35 this morning . See above 21005. |
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 4, 2010 17:40:10 GMT
I think there are five - pre-production train 2 (21099), and four production trains (21003, 21005, 21007 and 21009).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 17:52:29 GMT
running out of room very soon !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 19:45:18 GMT
21007+21008 was seen by my mate today, working the passenger train, arriving Wembley Park approx 16:10, so must of been the 14:52 Wembley Park to Watford trip.
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Post by prjb on Nov 4, 2010 21:55:09 GMT
I think there are five - pre-production train 2 (21099), and four production trains (21003, 21005, 21007 and 21009). Exactly right. |
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Post by prjb on Nov 4, 2010 21:59:03 GMT
We had another delivery overnight to. Couldnt see the Unit number but was still all coupled up to the 20's and barriers @ 09:35 this morning Yes, we had a bit of a slow run this morning (due to adhesion issues) so the decision was taken to uncouple the formation later in the day, rather than risk shunting activities continuing into the start of traffic hours which could have potentially delayed service trains. |
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Post by dangeruxb on Nov 5, 2010 12:29:01 GMT
A wise choice to keep us customers happy! lol.
S'cuse the ignorance but do the 20's shunt it into the depot or does it go under its own power?
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Post by metman on Nov 5, 2010 17:30:09 GMT
I think that's a good question actually.....well? ;D
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Post by citysig on Nov 5, 2010 21:10:02 GMT
The convoy goes into depot as one train, and the uncoupling and shunting is done in there. Not sure at exactly what point the S-stock is "switched on" but I would imagine it is after everything is uncoupled and un-wrapped and given it's final "pre-current" inspection.
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Post by den on Nov 5, 2010 23:01:34 GMT
I saw 21009 running this evening. Also saw minor delays on the met line because of a lack of available trains  |
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Post by metman on Nov 6, 2010 10:13:06 GMT
I finally took an S stock, 21009 actually from Harrow to Northwood!
After travelling on it, I'm really going to miss the A stock!
The DVA was well out, at every station
The air con units rattled
The seats were ok, better than 378 and 09s
The suspension was average, better yes, but not 50 years better - the train still rocked around, even on new track!
I didn't like looking down the train length for some reason, it felt like being on a bus.
Did not like seeing people in the corner of my eye all the time!
The braking was very jerky, probably as the driver was not used to it.
Considering 21009 has been on the line a very short time, dissapointed!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 10:24:51 GMT
I agree with most of these points. The DVA is pitiful. I can't say I noticed air con rattling but maybe it was. Seats are nice but not as nice as the A stock. Suspension is rubbish compared to the 378s for example. The walk through carriages are horrible, it means it will be impossible to get away from trouble and if a chav is playing music out loud, you will be able to hear it from two carriages away. Same goes for smoking, if someone is smoking on the train you will smell it throughout the entire train. S stock does make me feel very bare, I like the closed-in feeling of the A stock, especially on a long journey like Chesham-Aldgate. I agree with you about the brakes.
All in all it needs improving to win me over.
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Post by edwin on Nov 7, 2010 2:43:49 GMT
I finally took an S stock, 21009 actually from Harrow to Northwood! After travelling on it, I'm really going to miss the A stock! The DVA was well out, at every station The air con units rattled The seats were ok, better than 378 and 09s The suspension was average, better yes, but not 50 years better - the train still rocked around, even on new track! I didn't like looking down the train length for some reason, it felt like being on a bus. Did not like seeing people in the corner of my eye all the time! The braking was very jerky, probably as the driver was not used to it. Considering 21009 has been on the line a very short time, dissapointed! The insular reaction to anything remotely contemporary on this forum is getting tiresome. Sure, comments regarding the DVA or suspension are legitimate, but complaining about not liking "seeing people in the corner of my eye all the time!" is just irritating. Do you really think trains should be segmented, as in the past, despite the benefits in passenger flow and spaciousness, because people don't like seeing others in the corner of their eyes? |
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 7, 2010 9:02:56 GMT
I'm sure Tubeprune will be along soon and correct both the S stock and the 2009 ts wheel diameters. I need to check the facts, but the 2009ts bogie is virtually the same as the 1995ts bogie. thus I suspect it shares 770mm (new) wheels. Having seen S stock and '09ts bogies side by side there's no noticeable difference in wheel size. Both my 700mm diameters came from a certain prjb in a post here districtdave.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=newfuturetrains&thread=7405&post=148601I've checked my 2009TS and I have a drawing dated 2004 which states the wheel diameter is 740mm. I haven't got an up to date S Stock bogie drawing. Perhaps we can get a confirmed diameter for both stocks please? |
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Post by metman on Nov 7, 2010 10:30:09 GMT
Thanks Edwin, I can't have an opinion now then, cheers!
The seating point is valid, and when you have never know anything else it's going to take time to get used to!
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Post by citysig on Nov 7, 2010 21:55:47 GMT
but complaining about not liking "seeing people in the corner of my eye all the time!" is just irritating. Do you really think trains should be segmented, as in the past, despite the benefits in passenger flow and spaciousness, because people don't like seeing others in the corner of their eyes? Now if you look back, I rarely actually criticise the new stock. But... The layout of the seating is such that throughout the train you have the 2+2 seating which has a row of side-on seating facing it. On a busy train, this will lead to several people (sat side-on to the direction of travel) having no other view than the rows of 2+2 infront of them. Naturally this will lead those on the 2+2 seats to have the feeling someone is watching them, or, as metman puts it, seeing people in the corner of your eye. A pretty valid point I felt. |
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Post by 100andthirty on Nov 7, 2010 22:16:44 GMT
I'm sure Tubeprune will be along soon and correct both the S stock and the 2009 ts wheel diameters. I need to check the facts, but the 2009ts bogie is virtually the same as the 1995ts bogie. thus I suspect it shares 770mm (new) wheels. Having seen S stock and '09ts bogies side by side there's no noticeable difference in wheel size. Both my 700mm diameters came from a certain prjb in a post here districtdave.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=newfuturetrains&thread=7405&post=148601I've checked my 2009TS and I have a drawing dated 2004 which states the wheel diameter is 740mm. I haven't got an up to date S Stock bogie drawing. Perhaps we can get a confirmed diameter for both stocks please? Confirming ........ 2009 tube stock wheel diameter 740mm new, 690mm scrap S stock 770mm new, 700mm scrap |
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 8, 2010 8:16:59 GMT
Confirming ........ 2009 tube stock wheel diameter 740mm new, 690mm scrap S stock 770mm new, 700mm scrap Much obliged Guv! |
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