S stock delivery & introduction - discussion

I think the desire to provide the maximum amount of passenger space regardless of the 24 poor souls who can no longer sit down was the driving force here tut. As long as the elephant in the room is ignored - the out of control influx of people into London - it's the only way that Tfl can possibly be expected to respond. 3.5 people per car who may have once sat down in a sweaty caldron will now have to stand in an air conditioned carriage. Win win IMHO. :-)

In the long run, once the capacity upgrade that the use of S Stock on the SSR will enable, those 24 people will get their seats back through the higher frequency of trains.

Also don't forget that there are probably another 20 people who currently can't board a train at all at places like Victoria in peak times, who will be able to thanks to the S Stock :-)

The work has to be phased and there is a national shortage of signalling engineers.

Not helped by the collapse of the previous signalling contract.

D stock replaced in 2009?? That's news to me. Where did you hear that?

They did start with Campbell Road Sub Gap to just east of Whitechapel but with ongoing problems on the north end of the Met it was decided not to proceed with the track circuits these were from Westinghouse FS2550 track circuits. When Westinghouse lost the SSL upgrade and it moved to Bombardier the next solution was to use EBI200 track circuits otherwise known as Ti21 in the Hornchurch area. But again with teething troubles it was decided to not to proceed until the problems was ironed out. The equipment was installed east of Upney but never commissioned this is what is going to be commissioned over the next weekend shutdowns in that area. But these are and have always been a temp measure until the resignalling when they will be replaced with the new equipment, they are only installed so the S stock can run. Between Campbell Road Sub Gap to Upney the signalling supply has been changed from 33 1/3Hz to 125Hz and also the voltage has increased from 440v to 600v. This has all taken place between 2009 to present day, also west of East Putney was converted over to EBI200 tracks approx 2 years ago for the S stock trains by Network Rail. Also Ealing Broadway to Hanger Lane Junction and upto North Ealing was frequency converted from 33 1/3Hz to 125Hz approx this time last year. Hope that makes things a little more clearer? a lot of work has gone into this project and at great cost but as previously stated there is a shortage of staff and I believe its Aktins who has the contract to commission the new equipment on the behalf of LU.

There are about 304 seats I think but I don't get one often so it is hard to tell!

40+38+38+36+36+38+38+40

= 304

My maths says there are 37 seats in an S8 MS, where am I going wrong?

Thanks

21443/4 noted on T 261 empty at Farringdon around 1545 proceeding empty to HMS presumably to take up its first revenue earning service

Last week, I saw and rode on an S Stock from Stepney Green. It was a District Line train going towards Ealing Broadway. Since then, I haven't seen an S Stock District Line train in that station again.

That must be Train 121 as its the only that runs on the District Main (along with the 3 Training Trains 753,754,755)

Only Barking. Not allowed to Upminster in passenger service yet.

They were from 17 June but this was rescinded by NR from 2 September, until further signalling work is completed.

I was in London only Thursday and all the D Stock was bright, shiny and clean