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Post by Dstock7080 on May 7, 2013 8:38:23 GMT
Can anyone tell us the day of the timetable change,and will it involve S7s going on the circle? 19th of may and yes. The infrastructure is being readied for S7 to be diverted via the Circle from the 19th although no trains are scheduled to operate.
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Post by domh245 on May 7, 2013 8:44:49 GMT
So when are they scheduled to start operating? I read somewhere that they want to start doing the Wimblewares in December
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 7, 2013 8:59:18 GMT
So when are they scheduled to start operating? I read somewhere that they want to start doing the Wimblewares in December Regretfully not before around February for Wimbledon although some may operate from Olympia/Parsons Green to Edgware Rd/West Ham before then.
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Post by tel on May 7, 2013 9:16:37 GMT
Can anyone tell us the train numbers that will be formed of S7s on the H&S and Circle from 19th of May please?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 13:01:58 GMT
S7 which looked like 21335 at south end of West Ruislip depot this morning along with the Class 20's. A new delivery which couldn't get to Neasden because of engineering works?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 13:21:11 GMT
If it was 21335 it was delivered last Thursday so there shouldn't of been any engineering work happening unless it was overnight work
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 16:03:50 GMT
S7s are being delivered to Ruislip depot while the S8s are too-ing and fro-ing to/from Derby.
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Post by domh245 on May 7, 2013 16:16:11 GMT
How are they then transferred to Hammersmith? (or Neasden as the case may be)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 16:32:04 GMT
How are they then transferred to Hammersmith? (or Neasden as the case may be) The S7 had gone from the south end of Ruislip depot by noon but the class 20's were still where they were. Either it had moved out of sight or gone to Neasden or elsewhere perhaps under its own power??
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Post by domh245 on May 7, 2013 16:35:18 GMT
It would have needed a pilot loco, as the S7s don't have the central ATO system
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Post by jmm on May 7, 2013 16:49:31 GMT
It would have needed a pilot loco, as the S7s don't have the central ATO system I think it may have gone via the Met: Ruislip depot->Ruislip siding->Rayners Lane->Harrow-on-the-Hill->Baker Street->Moorgate (rev)->Edgware Road->Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 17:40:34 GMT
It would have needed a pilot loco, as the S7s don't have the central ATO system I think it may have gone via the Met: Ruislip depot->Ruislip siding->Rayners Lane->Harrow-on-the-Hill->Baker Street->Moorgate (rev)->Edgware Road->Hammersmith. The S7s transfer from Ruislip to Neasden like this: Ruislip->Ruislip Siding (REV)->Harrow OTH (REV)-Watford (REV)-Neasden
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 23:33:55 GMT
Went on my first H&C S7 ride today (seen some going the other way from Mile End on way to work, but the first time to actually get on one)... Upsides: quieter, shinier, bendier, and brighter. Downsides: too bright, hard seats, verbal diarrhoea from the recorded person and nearly broke my ankle at Aldgate East getting off (so used to the step down from the C stock, that my foot decided to perform the jump even though there wasn't one). Overall better than the C stock, although that's not difficult really. Still have a thing for the D stock though and feel they are about to be prematurely retired - damn those single leaf doors Just one thing....how long do we think those connecting rubber concertinas between carriages will last. There's an awful lot of flexing they're being asked to do?
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Post by domh245 on May 8, 2013 9:28:47 GMT
I would imagine quite long. I think the Croydon Trams are still on their original concertinas,and they do alot more flexing (especially in and around central croydon), and the oldest one is 15 years old. Even if they were replaced during the tram's refurbishment that would still have seen them carry out at least 10 Years of service, so I would expect the S stock ones to last probably the train's lifetime. Don't forget that they will also have been made with this design consideration in mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 12:39:58 GMT
The tiny wheels are undesirable. One wonders whether their replacement can feature mainline sized wheelsets, perhaps with wheel boxes inside the cars as in tube stocks and articulation to maintain the door layout, in order to improve ride quality. Why are small wheels so undesirable? Are they directly detrimental to ride quality? I'd've thought a reduction in unsprung mass relative to larger wheels would, if anything, help the ride.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 8, 2013 13:32:42 GMT
Why are small wheels so undesirable? Are they directly detrimental to ride quality? . I would assume it is becaus the size of the contact patch (the area where the wheel is in contact with the rail) is related to the radius of the wheel. For a perfectly circular wheel and flat rail the contact patch would be a line of infintesimal width (and therefore zero area) transverse to the direction of travel, (and the zero area means the pressure would be infinite) but in practice wheels and rails distort under the weight of the train so that the contact patch is typically about the size of a 5p piece. To achieve that size, a smaller-radius wheel needs to be distorted out of a true circular shape by a greater amount than required for a larger wheel, putting more tensile stresses on the wheel (or, for the same force, the contact patch would be smaller, leading to less adhesion). (The really enormous driving wheels used on steam trains were required as they had no gears - the larger the wheels the higher the gearing, which is why express locomotives had much larger wheels than freight ones where getting the thing moving was more important than outright speed).
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Post by phillw48 on May 8, 2013 14:56:11 GMT
Also smaller wheels = greater wear of tyres and bearings and the effects of that on maintenance. For example a 600 mm wheel will have rotated 50% more than a wheel of 900 mm for the same distance traveled.
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Post by phillw48 on May 8, 2013 14:56:30 GMT
Duplicate post, Mods please delete.
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Post by phillw48 on May 8, 2013 14:59:20 GMT
Smaller wheels also result in more wear on bearings and tyres. Please delete, thought above posts were lost.
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Post by slugabed on May 8, 2013 18:00:42 GMT
Also,smaller radius wheel magnify the effect of bumps in the track more than larger ones. I don't really understand the maths involved,but it is to do with the ratio between the size of the "step" in the track to the radius of the wheel. Try pulling a loaded small-wheeled trolley up a kerb,then try shifting the same load with a large-wheeled barrow up the same kerb.
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Post by kesmet on May 8, 2013 19:52:42 GMT
I think it may have gone via the Met: Ruislip depot->Ruislip siding->Rayners Lane->Harrow-on-the-Hill->Baker Street->Moorgate (rev)->Edgware Road->Hammersmith. The S7s transfer from Ruislip to Neasden like this: Ruislip->Ruislip Siding (REV)->Harrow OTH (REV)-Watford (REV)-Neasden What's the reason for the "diversion" up to Watford and back again? Is this a familiarisation move for the drivers?
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Post by 1018509 on May 8, 2013 20:59:53 GMT
I know I must be missing something here but why can't the S7 stock transfers from Ruislip to Neasden go straight into Neasden from HOTH? Why reverse to Watford first?
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Post by 1018509 on May 8, 2013 21:11:19 GMT
The tiny wheels are undesirable. One wonders whether their replacement can feature mainline sized wheelsets, perhaps with wheel boxes inside the cars as in tube stocks and articulation to maintain the door layout, in order to improve ride quality. Why are small wheels so undesirable? Are they directly detrimental to ride quality? I'd've thought a reduction in unsprung mass relative to larger wheels would, if anything, help the ride. Small wheels derail easily. I know this from experience; when in Northfields east cabin a train, entering the depot east end on "skates," to 19 road, derailed and the last 2 of 6 cars started to proceed, sideways, towards the cabin, across 8 roads. I made a hasty exit and radioed the depot office from a safer location.
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Post by phillw48 on May 8, 2013 22:09:34 GMT
A Try pulling a loaded small-wheeled trolley up a kerb,then try shifting the same load with a large-wheeled barrow up the same kerb. Its all to do with the 'angle of approach', the larger the wheel the lesser the angle.
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Post by tel on May 18, 2013 14:21:44 GMT
Can anyone tell us the train numbers that will be worked by S7s on the H&C from 19th of May please?
Also is there much change to the WTT from that date, please?
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Post by class411 on May 18, 2013 15:21:34 GMT
Can anyone tell us the train numbers that will be worked by S7s on the H&C from 19th of May please? Also is there much change to the WTT from that date, please? MTIA Eagerly waiting to see if this is the start of the 'real' replacement of the C Stock with S7's or whether this will be yet another damp squib and we'll be told it will all happen after the new WTT in December.
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Post by domh245 on May 18, 2013 15:54:14 GMT
Looking back at the last page, I suspect it to be another "damp squib" with trains being able to go round the circle, but not actually timetabled to do so. I expect the full scale introduction will come in December
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Post by class411 on May 18, 2013 18:41:55 GMT
Looking back at the last page, I suspect it to be another "damp squib" with trains being able to go round the circle, but not actually timetabled to do so. I expect the full scale introduction will come in December So, we can look forward to spending this coming Christmas expecting the full scale introduction to start in May '14. If we continue the trend for the last 4 half years.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 19:00:27 GMT
I've heard that from tomorrow there will be 9 out of 14 (8 on Sundays) trains running on the H&C line will be S stock, is that right?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 19:37:31 GMT
Yes - well, at least that's the theory. We wait to see the 'actual'.
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