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Post by domh245 on Dec 22, 2012 15:26:17 GMT
I can't help but wonder if they have found yet another fault (God forbid) or if they have just stopped the deliveries over the Christmas period / until the C stocks start to vacate Hammersmith. Perhaps PJRB could enlighten us?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 15:41:32 GMT
Thankfully, none of this matters. The current trains, like A Stock, are doing what they're being paid to do (and have done for years) without grief, which is getting people around as advertised. When the new trains turn up that'll be great.
A Stock are all gone now and the new trains are a marked improvement according to what I've been told by the majority of people I speak to. Same should be true of C Stock.
I just don't see what the problem is worrying about why X hasn't happened by Y. It isn't life threatening is it? Please tell me, is your world being inconvenienced because S7s are a tad late being deployed?
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Post by Deep Level on Dec 22, 2012 16:08:48 GMT
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Post by londonstuff on Dec 22, 2012 16:23:50 GMT
I can't help but wonder if they have found yet another fault (God forbid) or if they have just stopped the deliveries over the Christmas period / until the C stocks start to vacate Hammersmith. Perhaps PJRB could enlighten us? +1 with Whistlekiller. It's better to iron out any faults, however small (if there actually are any), while they're there rather than have them enter service sooner rather than later and faults having to be fixed 'on the job'. I believe that there will be at least one C Stock departing via Northwood shortly after New Year so there can't be *that* much wrong with the new stock. Add to this that the Cs are still functioning perfectly adequately - what's the rush? I'm puzzled by your negativity towards the improvements made - designing new stock will surely always require modification of some sort or another, just as it did with the doors on the 09 stock and I'm quite sure on pretty much every new variant of stock before that. At least these won't be like the single-leaf '83 stock where they were withdrawn with just over ten years' service  |
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Post by metman on Dec 22, 2012 17:42:20 GMT
Sadly it was dissapointing that 37 S8s have to go back for gear boxes! Let's hope we don't see a repeat performance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 17:51:01 GMT
Add to this that the Cs are still functioning perfectly adequately - what's the rush? +1 though their Mean Distance Between Failures is not exactly brilliant, it's a tad better than the new stock going through their inevitable teething troubles, by the time the whole scale replacement of the C stock starts, hopefully the S stock reliability will have come up a bit with more service experience of them on the met. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 19:18:23 GMT
Sadly it was dissapointing that 37 S8s have to go back for gear boxes! Let's hope we don't see a repeat performance. Not a bother really. It's just basic teething problems. I doubt if S Stock's got anything worse behaved than any other stock preceding it into service going back to the 30's. Glass half full, glass half empty. Choose your battlefields carefully everybody because aside from it not mattering a flying "you know what", very soon the former will win and a lot of people are going to look rather silly. . |
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Post by metman on Dec 22, 2012 19:26:04 GMT
Sadly it was dissapointing that 37 S8s have to go back for gear boxes! Let's hope we don't see a repeat performance. Not a bother really. It's just basic teething problems. I doubt if S Stock's got anything worse behaved than any other stock preceding it into service going back to the 30's. Glass half full, glass half empty. Choose your battlefields carefully everybody because aside from it not mattering a flying "you know what", very soon the former will win and a lot of people are going to look rather silly. . I'm not sure I would consider 37 trains having to return to Derby for new gearboxes as 'basic teething problems'!  Let's hope lessons have been learnt. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 19:36:32 GMT
I'm not sure I would consider 37 trains having to return to Derby for new gearboxes as 'basic teething problems'! With all due respect, my question was, has it interfered with your journey. I suspect the answer is no. |
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Post by metman on Dec 22, 2012 19:45:15 GMT
There is the odd delay but nothing serious. I tend to use the Chiltern into Marylebone usually as it is faster and more comfortable.
My point was that after the initial troubles in 2011, this sort of issue should have been ironed out. It's a shame that Bombardier got this element of the work wrong.
This issue aside, the S stock are performing pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 20:10:53 GMT
My point was that after the initial troubles in 2011, this sort of issue should have been ironed out. It's a shame that Bombardier got this element of the work wrong. This issue aside, the S stock are performing pretty well. Glad to hear it. In the end it doesn't really matter about S Stock gripes. Trains run to timetable (however that irritates Amersham patrons) and by others like yourself get an alternative via Chiltern. |
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Post by Deep Level on Dec 22, 2012 22:31:37 GMT
Sadly it was dissapointing that 37 S8s have to go back for gear boxes! Let's hope we don't see a repeat performance. I thought there were only 30 going back? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 22:35:16 GMT
It was 30 but it's 37 now.
When the DVA says Hammersmith and City line train does Hammersmith sound a bit odd (like a scratch on a CD)? have a look at this video at 1:15
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Post by class411 on Dec 23, 2012 9:04:16 GMT
Thankfully, none of this matters. The current trains, like A Stock, are doing what they're being paid to do (and have done for years) without grief, which is getting people around as advertised. When the new trains turn up that'll be great. I just don't see what the problem is worrying about why X hasn't happened by Y. It isn't life threatening is it? Please tell me, is your world being inconvenienced because S7s are a tad late being deployed? You may not realise this but this is a site where people with an interest in LU can meet and exchange information. It's hardly in the spirit of the site if, when doing so, others start pontificating that whatever happens to interest you is of no importance. I'm well aware that the C stock is still working in a perfectly acceptable manner but that does not quench any interest in what is happening with their replacements. |
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 23, 2012 10:16:26 GMT
With anything new on a production line there will be teething problems.
There could be one problem gearbox that caused the alert and highlighted a need for a modification. All those already delivered then have to be changed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 13:52:38 GMT
Thankfully, none of this matters. The current trains, like A Stock, are doing what they're being paid to do (and have done for years) without grief, which is getting people around as advertised. When the new trains turn up that'll be great. I just don't see what the problem is worrying about why X hasn't happened by Y. It isn't life threatening is it? Please tell me, is your world being inconvenienced because S7s are a tad late being deployed? You may not realise this but this is a site where people with an interest in LU can meet and exchange information. It's hardly in the spirit of the site if, when doing so, others start pontificating that whatever happens to interest you is of no importance. I'm well aware that the C stock is still working in a perfectly acceptable manner but that does not quench any interest in what is happening with their replacements. I see these comments as a reflection of disappointment rather than criticisms. I recall eagerly awaiting for the S8 arrival on the Met not only out of technical interest but in anticipation of the A/C providing a warmer ride in the winter and cooler in the summer. |
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Post by DWS on Dec 23, 2012 16:42:49 GMT
You may not realise this but this is a site where people with an interest in LU can meet and exchange information. It's hardly in the spirit of the site if, when doing so, others start pontificating that whatever happens to interest you is of no importance. I'm well aware that the C stock is still working in a perfectly acceptable manner but that does not quench any interest in what is happening with their replacements. I see these comments as a reflection of disappointment rather than criticisms. I recall eagerly awaiting for the S8 arrival on the Met not only out of technical interest but in anticipation of the A/C providing a warmer ride in the winter and cooler in the summer. Only problem was the Hot Summer weather was not delivered ;D |
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Post by metman on Dec 23, 2012 16:50:44 GMT
Ha ha, yes. It does lead people into thinking what's the point of A/C trains when the weather is rubbish? Hope we have a dry hot summer this coming year - especially in June |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 16:31:41 GMT
Are there any videos of the S7 between Morgate and Barking?
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Post by Deep Level on Dec 26, 2012 0:43:59 GMT
I've not been able to find one
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 26, 2012 1:41:54 GMT
Are there any videos of the S7 between Morgate and Barking? There's a video of an S7 departing Liverpool Street (uploaded by 'LondonTrainLover') but there don't seem to be any videos of them at stations east of there. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 1:46:29 GMT
Thanks, but I've already seen that one lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 17:10:23 GMT
You may not realise this but this is a site where people with an interest in LU can meet and exchange information. It's hardly in the spirit of the site if, when doing so, others start pontificating that whatever happens to interest you is of no importance. I'm well aware that the C stock is still working in a perfectly acceptable manner but that does not quench any interest in what is happening with their replacements. Sorry for failing to respond to this until now 413. I've only just noted what you said. You're absolutely 100% right of course.  In mitigation, after reading similar posts on the S8 introduction threads I misunderstood a few things on here whinging about stuff not happening double-quick when no official timetable for the introductions existed. In the end, the S8s got introduced (a bit late by some posters' standards) and the A Stock got scrapped - according to the management timetable, whether public info on here or not. A lot of nay saying about S8 Stock went on and I found it quite irritating to read (glass half empty stuff - no good for anybody in the end). In hindsight, yours and other comments on here, whilst appearing to me impatient at the time, are nothing like the vitriol posted for the S8s introduction, for which you have my apologies. Please understand, while I'm very interested, underground trains probably aren't that as important to me as they are to you so perhaps I'm bit too far removed from your way of thinking, based in the "whatever will be, will be - not really worried when" camp. Like you, I hope the S7's will arrive, and with any luck sooner rather than later but that's as far as I go. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by metman on Dec 26, 2012 20:49:22 GMT
There are certainly some rather valid points raised here and certainly in relation to timelines. I'm sure some people like to complain that new trains are not introduced, or upgrades are not completed quickly enough, but LUL are no mugs. They understand timeframes and disclose key dates rarely!
Yes, the S8 stock got a lot of negative press but it is here now and running.
That being said, I am a lifelong Met user and for ME the Met will never be the same as it used to be. I use the Met only if I have to, but given the choice, I avoid it with its toy trains and its stupid timetable.
We are having a family drink in Notting Hill on Saturday. I've already planned my route to NHG and it involves a Cl165, a 1972st and C69/77 train!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 27, 2012 11:08:13 GMT
I've already planned my route to NHG and it involves a Cl165, a 1972st and C69/77 train! Remember there are no C69/77s serving Notting Hill on Saturday! |
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Post by metman on Dec 27, 2012 13:19:17 GMT
Thanks, I forgot about the works!
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Post by graeme186 on Jan 11, 2013 18:57:32 GMT
21327 observed in service on the Metropolitan Line this morning. Was running as a WF2 leaving Wembley Park NB at approx 0812 so likely T402 unless a slightly late running T412.
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Post by dangeruxb on Jan 11, 2013 19:07:51 GMT
21327 observed in service on the Metropolitan Line this morning. Was running as a WF2 leaving Wembley Park NB at approx 0812 so likely T402 unless a slightly late running T412. Confirmed as on T402 as Im uxbridge bound on it now! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 20:02:28 GMT
I rode on it yesterday afternoon, westbound from Rayners Lane.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 11:31:42 GMT
All three (I think there are only three) S7+1's spotted running sem-fasts southbound from Harrow one after the other around 9.20/9.30 this morning.
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