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Post by knap on Jan 10, 2011 10:17:32 GMT
There were some delays this morning (10/01/11) and my train from Amersham was terminated at Harrow (the driver said something about timetable probems). We all got onto a train on platform 5, which was delayed owing to a failed train at Preston Road (advised the driver). The platform announcer then said platform 6 was fast Aldgate - the train we had just got off, so a mad dash back onto the train, only to be told by the driver it was not a fast Aldgate, but was still terminating, so back to Platform 5, where after a short delay we set off. But on route to Wembley, the driver announced that this train was terminating at Webley owing to a failed train at Finchley Road, so we all pile out onto the Jubliee, but that was at a standstill owing to police action. So what has all this to do with S stock? Well, as you can imagine many passengers were rather annoyed at the delays and confusion. Two peopl next to me were blaming "the new trains" claiming every day last week the new train they were on failed. Now I know problems can happen and today might have had nothing to do with a failed S stock, but if problems persist (on the Met, not just S stock) and these passengers start to get negative vibes about the new trains and spread rumours, it won't be helpful. As it was, as the Jubilee was not moving, an S stock arrived at Wembley and took us to Finchley Road. There did seem to be some problem with it setting off from Wembley though.
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Post by metrolander on Jan 10, 2011 18:00:14 GMT
Hello people.
I am aware that previous specific when/where requests for S stock workings have been frowned upon, and I am of course aware that operational changes can occur on any given time of any given day.
HOWEVER I would now really like to travel on one of these beasts and having drawn out my various recent Met journeys with nary a glimpse, I'm in the mood to go hunting. I am clearly not au fait with each of the Met WTT diagrams and would know better than to request such information but I wondered if, being as the particular train numbers etc etc have been discussed, I might venture a question; If I was to head to Wembley Park in the very near future this very evening and pootle up and down the Met to Watford, might I see an S stock?? That's all I want to know!
Thanks/apologies in advance (delete as appropriate)
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Post by metman on Jan 10, 2011 18:06:54 GMT
You may well see an S8 on the Watford run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 19:31:36 GMT
Hello people. I am aware that previous specific when/where requests for S stock workings have been frowned upon, and I am of course aware that operational changes can occur on any given time of any given day. HOWEVER I would now really like to travel on one of these beasts and having drawn out my various recent Met journeys with nary a glimpse, I'm in the mood to go hunting. I am clearly not au fait with each of the Met WTT diagrams and would know better than to request such information but I wondered if, being as the particular train numbers etc etc have been discussed, I might venture a question; If I was to head to Wembley Park in the very near future this very evening and pootle up and down the Met to Watford, might I see an S stock?? That's all I want to know! Thanks/apologies in advance (delete as appropriate) It isn't frowned upon now that they're in regular service. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 21:11:00 GMT
Hello people. I am aware that previous specific when/where requests for S stock workings have been frowned upon, and I am of course aware that operational changes can occur on any given time of any given day. HOWEVER I would now really like to travel on one of these beasts and having drawn out my various recent Met journeys with nary a glimpse, I'm in the mood to go hunting. I am clearly not au fait with each of the Met WTT diagrams and would know better than to request such information but I wondered if, being as the particular train numbers etc etc have been discussed, I might venture a question; If I was to head to Wembley Park in the very near future this very evening and pootle up and down the Met to Watford, might I see an S stock?? That's all I want to know! Thanks/apologies in advance (delete as appropriate) It isn't frowned upon now that they're in regular service. In that case then what services do they usually work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 21:51:22 GMT
It isn't frowned upon now that they're in regular service. In that case then what services do they usually work. I have no idea personally, but I'm sure if you ask someone who has access to this information, they will let you know. |
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Post by graeme186 on Jan 10, 2011 22:25:11 GMT
As a daily commuter on the Met, I can advise that Trains 441 and 451 are normally operated by 'S' Stock. These are midday off peak runners on the Watford-Baker Street service. Both of these trains form an Uxbridge-Baker Street service in the morning peak and T441 also forms a Baker Street-Uxbridge service in the evening peak. T451 continues to operate between Baker Street and Watford during the evening peak. Both these trains stable after the evening peak. I observed both trains this evening and both were 'S' Stock.
In addition, am peak working T462 is normally 'S' Stock (was this morning) but forms the 0824 ex Watford which is normally one of the planned cancellations that have been mentioned recently, meaning it terminates at Harrow. In the evening, peak starter T465 is normally S Stock and forms the 1731 Baker Street to Uxbridge and then operates between Baker Street and Watford all evening.
Weekend S Stock workings remain few and far between. Indeed, I was out Saturday afternoon and observed no 'S' Stock on the Watford/Amersham/Chesham to Baker Street services.
Hope this helps.
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 11, 2011 17:23:00 GMT
Passing through Baker Street at 1620 on a delayed Aldgate service being turned short at Moorgate, I spied an S stock sitting in Platform 4 ready to set off for Watford. Most people seem to see their first one at Wembley Park. I saw mine at Baker Street.
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Post by citysig on Jan 11, 2011 19:48:02 GMT
I am not sure if they have all been listed somewhere prior to this, but here we go (this will hopefully mean everyone will know and the - perhaps understandably - repetitive question can be answered ;D )
Train 441
Starts Neasden Depot at 0729, runs empty to Harrow.
Then forms:
0747 HOH-UXB
0816 UXB-BST
0909 BST-WAT
1013 WAT-BST
1104 BST-WAT
1203 WAT-BST
1254 BST-WAT
1353 WAT-BST
1444 BST-WAT
1543 WAT-BST
1634 BST-WAT
1728 WAT-BST
1819 BST-UXB
Then returns empty to Neasden depot.
Train 451
Starts Neasden Depot at 0708
Then forms:
0714 WPK-UXB
0753 UXB-BST
0846 BST-WAT
0943 WAT-BST
1034 BST-WAT
1133 WAT-BST
1224 BST-WAT
1323 WAT-BST
1414 BST-WAT
1513 WAT-BST
1604 BST-WAT
1703 WAT-BST
1756 BST-WAT
1848 WAT-BST
1945 BST-HOH
Then reverses via the siding and runs empty to Neasden depot.
Train 462
Starts Neasden Depot at 0734
Then forms:
0740 WPK-WAT
0824 WAT-BST
0914 BST-WPK
Train 465
Starts Neasden Depot at 1702
Runs empty to Finchley Road (arrives 1712) then runs to Baker Street.
Then forms:
1731 BST-UXB
1822 UXB-BST
1916 BST-WAT
2013 WAT-BST
2104 BST-WAT
2203 WAT-BST
2254 BST-CHM
2358 CHM-WPK
Then runs empty to Neasden depot.
All workings are, of course subject to change dependant on stock and train operator availability, service disruption etc. Do not embarress yourself by complaining to station staff if a "planned" S-stock working turns up as an A-stock. I know that Metman certainly won't ;D
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Post by metrolander on Jan 11, 2011 23:11:47 GMT
Thank MetControl and everyone else for the info
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Post by cso on Jan 14, 2011 18:45:32 GMT
Thanks to MetControl and his timetabled runs list, I write this post from train 21010 on it's way to Uxbridge. Having now experienced S-Stock, I have to say the remining trains can't come quick enough  Although I do think the "Walk-through carriages" poster lies... Couldn't walk through it when it left Baker Street due to volume of people. One drawback is that braking currently seems a bit erratic! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 19:03:08 GMT
Yes, thank you MetControl for the useful information. I was able to travel on 21009/21010 from Finchley Road to Baker Street this afternoon as T441 , although I believe T451 was run by an A-stock [at least at about 16.00].
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 12:08:00 GMT
Looks like quite a few runs going now. And I still can't find one. I saw more of them when there were only two of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 21:30:54 GMT
It was the test train - 21099-21100.
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Post by metrolander on Jan 18, 2011 17:52:14 GMT
So, having been so well informed by MetControl I moseyed down to Baker St the other night, the familiar old route in the familiar old train. I mooched around for a bit and then headed to Platform 1 as soon as it was indicated for the next Watford departure; train 462. Mindful of the above-mentioned incident I began to doubt my chances but was pleased to note that just as I arrived at an apparently empty platform 1, there was something of a spaceship moment. It certainly felt like that at what is perhaps the most evocative location on the Met, quaintly old-fashioned and steeped in history, with of course a constant clatter and squeal of the various old beasts passing through the 'upstairs' part. Certainly, many other passengers on the platform seemed slightly taken aback, and I'm sure the strange, shiny new alien was the reason so many people getting on asked others if it was indeed the Watford train...
As for the environs, interesting; having been a regular on 378s the interior had something of a familiar feel. I thought the generic moquette/yellow rails combo made it seem like something of a massive Circle Line 378, with a few transverse seats! (Which naturally, one sat on). The train wasn't that busy and I only went to Wembley Park so I'll reserve judgement on how the layout will feel in more familiar settings but I can remember many a time getting on a Met from the City at Baker St and heading out to say Rickmansworth/Watford/Ruislip etc when it's busy, and not being able to sit for ages. Surely this will provide an improvement. As for the ride and other things, it was an interesting back-to-back comparison of the bumpy tunnel section on 'A' and then 'S', as it lets you judge how much of that clunking around (which I am used to after 20+ years) is due to the track rather then the train. I must say whilst I found the S a far smoother ride, it was still bumpier than I'd expected through there. Otherwise, a pleasant, smooth and fast-feeling ride even if I'd rather the train made more noise than the air con! It will be almost bizarre when these become regular, I waited a while to watch it leave Wembley Park and with the big old boys still hugely outnumbering it, it does seem so very, very futuristic!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 21:34:09 GMT
As for the environs, interesting; having been a regular on 378s the interior had something of a familiar feel. I thought the generic moquette/yellow rails combo made it seem like something of a massive Circle Line 378, with a few transverse seats! (Which naturally, one sat on). The train wasn't that busy and I only went to Wembley Park so I'll reserve judgement on how the layout will feel in more familiar settings but I can remember many a time getting on a Met from the City at Baker St and heading out to say Rickmansworth/Watford/Ruislip etc when it's busy, and not being able to sit for ages. Surely this will provide an improvement. As for the ride and other things, it was an interesting back-to-back comparison of the bumpy tunnel section on 'A' and then 'S', as it lets you judge how much of that clunking around (which I am used to after 20+ years) is due to the track rather then the train. I must say whilst I found the S a far smoother ride, it was still bumpier than I'd expected through there. Otherwise, a pleasant, smooth and fast-feeling ride even if I'd rather the train made more noise than the air con! It will be almost bizarre when these become regular, I waited a while to watch it leave Wembley Park and with the big old boys still hugely outnumbering it, it does seem so very, very futuristic! Yes noisy air con seems to get everywhere now, really irritates after a while. I have seen a comment (by an anti s stock guy) on Flick about the heating not working, how did you find the temp? Edit to add: While I do like air con, just wish the recirc fans were not set so high |
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Post by metman on Jan 18, 2011 22:02:00 GMT
I was on unit 21009 this evening on a Baker-Harrow service. The air con units were rattling as usual which is a little worrying for a new train! The temp was fine. The ride was average, but better than the A stock which it should be. The run up to Kilburn was very poor with the train stuttering and gapping a lot. Lots of sparking - I wonder if the shoes were a little high? The ride wasn't great through Willesden but then it never is! The train was (even) short tripped at Wembley and took an age to reverse - not impressed at all. At least I know how the porter buttons work now...  |
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Post by metrolander on Jan 19, 2011 0:22:33 GMT
I found the temperature in the train to be basically perfectly temperate - not noticeably hot or cold which I suppose is the idea. And I experienced no rattling, just very loud fan-type sounds - nothing untoward, but quite noticeable. I may not know the exact symptoms associated with gapping/stuttering but from a passenger's point of view, I didn't notice any jerking or other such unpleasantness
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Post by dangeruxb on Jan 20, 2011 13:07:03 GMT
More sightings to give you some clues:-
11/1/11 Train 441 Unit 21005 All Stations Uxbridge - went Out of Service @ 19:30 on arrival
12/1/11 Train 451 Unit 21005 Semi Fast Watford - left Baker St @ 08:49
12/1/11 Train 465 Unit 21009 All Stations Baker St
14/1/11 Train 465 Unit 21005 All Stations Watford - left Harrow OH @ 19:35
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Post by deadmans on Jan 21, 2011 19:47:03 GMT
I see one limped back into service late afternoon after its test runs. No sign of the others... |
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Post by t697 on Jan 21, 2011 21:41:57 GMT
Working fine I was told, no sign of a limp today!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 21:54:43 GMT
It was indeed working fine (though the saloon was somewhat on the cold side, though warmer than the very cold outside!) when I rode on it this evening. One of the esteemed members here took over the driving of it during the trip and had it performing exceedingly well ;D  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 22:06:56 GMT
Working fine I was told, no sign of a limp today! It had a problem with the TMS at Watford late this afternoon. The T/Op sorted it out by tripping and resetting an MCB, which one I don't know. There is also going to be some sort of mod to the shoe gear to stop them falling off so easy when they strike something, and it's also still banned from the Uxbridge road! |
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Post by metman on Jan 23, 2011 2:15:35 GMT
Hot off the press - was seen S8; Harrow plat3-Uxbridge Set 545 [Not in service] dpt HOTH 0145. I guess this is for testing to Uxbridge after recent problems! Good crowd in the cab, nearly as good as the crowd I was with tonight. ;D
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Post by Chris M on Jan 23, 2011 4:35:24 GMT
What's the world record for the greatest number of people in an S stock cab? ;D ;D |
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Post by citysig on Jan 23, 2011 15:20:02 GMT
Hot off the press - was seen S8; Harrow plat3-Uxbridge Set 545 [Not in service] dpt HOTH 0145. I guess this is for testing to Uxbridge after recent problems! Good crowd in the cab, nearly as good as the crowd I was with tonight. ;D Yes it was for overnight testing in the Uxbridge area. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 23, 2011 21:45:53 GMT
Is pre-production Train Two still in London, or has it returned to Derby like pre-production Train One now that there are five in service?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 21:46:51 GMT
I saw mine at Harrow-on-the-Hill, and that's where I boarded my first one, too |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 22:18:10 GMT
I saw my first one sitting outside Neasden depot. It was sitting there as though it was poised to enter service. So I got off at Wembley Park and waited for the next train and sure enough, it was the S8.
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 24, 2011 0:25:02 GMT
Is pre-production Train Two still in London, or has it returned to Derby like pre-production Train One now that there are five in service? It's still at Neasden. |
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