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Post by tubeprune on Nov 8, 2010 11:26:34 GMT
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Post by dangeruxb on Nov 12, 2010 17:23:52 GMT
Looks like there loosing their gimmick status:-
Wednesday 10/11 21006 on train 403 coming out of service @ Wembley 13:30
Today 21008 on train 402 heading for Watford from harrow @ 09:58
I presume the works going on in the sidings at Uxbridge are all to do with cramming the S8's in? Theres lots of realignments and spacing going on at the moment
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Post by citysig on Nov 13, 2010 14:50:27 GMT
Looks like there loosing their gimmick status:- Wednesday 10/11 21006 on train 403 coming out of service @ Wembley 13:30 Today 21008 on train 402 heading for Watford from harrow @ 09:58 I presume the works going on in the sidings at Uxbridge are all to do with cramming the S8's in? Theres lots of realignments and spacing going on at the moment Sorry, have I missed a post or something? Also, have you been hanging around with deadmans? 403 was coming out of service to reverse via depot - I was on duty and don't recall any other reason - they are not allowed further south than Wembley during the traffic day. And 402 heading for Watford? And? That's what they've been doing fairly regularly for weeks (that and occasional test runs to Amersham). Sorry if I have missed a post or something, or if I've grabbed the wrong end of the stick, but I'm not too sure what you were getting at  |
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Post by dangeruxb on Nov 15, 2010 15:12:33 GMT
Earlier posts claimed the whole S Stock go-live was a gimmick, so Im merely reporting sightings so that those who want to ride/see them can get a clue on where to be at what time.
So yeah, you could say you got the wrong end of the stick slightly.
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Post by daftbox on Nov 21, 2010 4:06:28 GMT
Apologies if I've hijacked the thread inappropriately -
If I see an S stock train whizzing past at this hour (4 A.M.), am I safe to assume it's a newly delivered unit under test? It's passed by two or three times now.
(I know I should really be in bed...)
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Post by metman on Nov 21, 2010 17:09:43 GMT
Are you up Amersham way?
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Post by citysig on Nov 21, 2010 21:02:56 GMT
Or possibly Uxbridge way  Could be any of the already used S-stocks, but most likely the pre-production train. |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 21, 2010 22:40:40 GMT
What's the largest number of trains that have been out and about at the same time so far?
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Post by daftbox on Nov 22, 2010 0:15:22 GMT
Between Harrow and Northwood. I've had a good view of them over the last year or so! |
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Post by prjb on Nov 22, 2010 20:26:19 GMT
Wikipedia is less reliable than the papers!! They don't always run, its often due to availability of trains/staff/instructors etc.. Due to various reasons the line can now utilise 'S' Stock as and when they see fit to supplement the service between Watford and Wembley Park. So as well as the runs people have published on here somewhere or the other you could potentially see them at any time. |
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Post by prjb on Nov 22, 2010 20:29:05 GMT
Apologies if I've hijacked the thread inappropriately - If I see an S stock train whizzing past at this hour (4 A.M.), am I safe to assume it's a newly delivered unit under test? It's passed by two or three times now. (I know I should really be in bed...) No, that is not safe to assume. We do our train testing off the railway before the trains arrive in London. What you are seeing is any one of the five trains currently in London out assisting with integration testing. You can easily tell if it is a pre-production train as it will have vinyls over the majority of the windows. |
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Post by prjb on Nov 22, 2010 20:30:36 GMT
What's the largest number of trains that have been out and about at the same time so far? I think we have had three out but would need to check. I think we had two in service and one on a test run, but please don't take this as fact at the moment. |
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Post by prjb on Nov 22, 2010 20:36:59 GMT
Between Harrow and Northwood. I've had a good view of them over the last year or so! Just checked my paperwork, as we had two trains out on integration testing at the time you mention. The one you saw was Train 3 (21007 - 21008). Now go to bed! ;D |
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Post by prjb on Nov 22, 2010 20:40:46 GMT
Just for clarity:
21001 - 21002 = Pre-Production Train 1 (no longer in London)
21099 - 21100 = Pre-Production Train 2*
21003 - 21004 = Train 1
21005 - 21006 = Train 2
21007 - 21008 = Train 3
21009 - 21010 = Train 4
* = I think this is right for PP2, I'm doing it off the top of my head without the paperwork to hand!
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Post by citysig on Nov 22, 2010 21:18:24 GMT
Due to various reasons the line can now utilise 'S' Stock as and when they see fit to supplement the service between Watford and Wembley Park. So as well as the runs people have published on here somewhere or the other you could potentially see them at any time. We usually run at least 1 train during the peaks, and more often than not we run 1 between the peaks. The peak-hour runs usually supplement cancelled Watford services** The inter-peak runs are 50/50 Amersham empty tests or more Watford services. We were running 2 trains in the peak, but this appears to have tailed off due to a lack of drivers who need training being "in the right place at the right time." It's not always possible to supply the drivers you want to supply at the time you want to supply them. **So when you hear that the next Watford is cancelled, do as the station staff say and take the next train to Harrow and change. You never know |
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Post by citysig on Nov 22, 2010 21:23:10 GMT
I think we have had three out but would need to check. I think we had two in service and one on a test run, but please don't take this as fact at the moment. As the saying goes, "close but no cigar." There was one day where there was going to be 3 stocks out and about, but the lack of an available operator scotched this by about 15 minutes. There have been 2 stocks out together a number of times now. There was also almost a photo-op at Watford 2 weeks ago, when it looked like 2 would be there together, one in each platform, but one of those A-stock things got in the way ;D As usual, should 2 trains be available for service, donations to my usual fund will allow someone the chance of that photo-op. Unfortunately, despite several attempts to raise the funds requested, and despite the fact that I CAN make this kind of thing happen, none of you have made any offers ;D ;D |
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Post by citysig on Nov 22, 2010 21:26:20 GMT
Apologies if I've hijacked the thread inappropriately - If I see an S stock train whizzing past at this hour (4 A.M.), am I safe to assume it's a newly delivered unit under test? It's passed by two or three times now. (I know I should really be in bed...) No, that is not safe to assume. We do our train testing off the railway before the trains arrive in London. What you are seeing is any one of the five trains currently in London out assisting with integration testing. You can easily tell if it is a pre-production train as it will have vinyls over the majority of the windows. Come come, I think you're being a little harsh on daftbox. Until one of these shiny new trains is signed fully over to "us" to fully use and abuse, then surely it must be said that they are all on test, regardless of where or when they are running. So therefore, until that happens, then they are all assumed to be on "cummulative" testing if nothing else ;) ;D |
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Post by daftbox on Nov 23, 2010 0:33:16 GMT
Thanks all for clarifying.
I suspect I've missed this elsewhere, but will the first (2nd?) pre-production train be one of the last to enter service, after it's been kitted out with seats, etc?
(I hope you appreciate my restraint - I'm trying to throttle my questions to one per post! ;D)
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Post by prjb on Nov 25, 2010 22:30:25 GMT
As the saying goes, "close but no cigar." Are you sure? I thought we had a couple of Watfords and an empty stock to Amersham? Must be my mind playing tricks!  We certainly have three trains out testing in engineering hours in the next week or so (I signed the briefing note!). |
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Post by prjb on Nov 25, 2010 22:32:34 GMT
Come come, I think you're being a little harsh on daftbox. Until one of these shiny new trains is signed fully over to "us" to fully use and abuse, then surely it must be said that they are all on test, regardless of where or when they are running. So therefore, until that happens, then they are all assumed to be on "cummulative" testing if nothing else ;) ;D :o Well, I have never been so insulted! Next thing you'll be calling it a 'Gimmick' train or 'Mickey Mouse' shuttle service!! ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2010 0:41:25 GMT
Well 401 and 402 must have passed each other today, saw both within 5 minutes of each other at Harrow PM Peak while waiting for an Uxbridge during the branch's mini-suspension - I assume it was mini, good service with no issues reported when I boarded 431 at Wembley Pk, tipped out at Harrow due to Pts Failure, then 416 turned up in service about 10-15 minutes later, but I digress...
401 Arrived SB and terminated, before heading off Ety to Neasden (?)
402 was headed NB, describing itself as a Watford All Stations
I did hop on 402 the other morning, it pulled into 6 at Harrow level with my Ex-Uxbridge on 5. Annoyingly we got held just before Wembley, so staying on the all stations would've meant I was on time for work, not 5 minutes late, but it was worth it for a ride on the S8 before I end my brief period of Met Commuting this weekend.
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Post by citysig on Nov 26, 2010 9:34:36 GMT
Are you sure? I thought we had a couple of Watfords and an empty stock to Amersham? Must be my mind playing tricks! Quite sure - in fact more sure than I was when I posted it earlier, having checked with a few people. We certainly have three trains out testing in engineering hours in the next week or so (I signed the briefing note!). Yes but as that it next week, it hasn't actually happened yet, so the fact remains that there hasn't be 3 trains out at once together ;D |
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Post by citysig on Nov 26, 2010 9:35:59 GMT
:o Well, I have never been so insulted! Next thing you'll be calling it a 'Gimmick' train or 'Mickey Mouse' shuttle service!! ;D ;D No insult intended, and I'm not about to brand them as a certain other person on here does. I was merely playing the middle man and trying to keep things on an even keel. ;D |
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Post by citysig on Nov 26, 2010 9:41:10 GMT
Well 401 and 402 must have passed each other today, saw both within 5 minutes of each other at Harrow PM Peak while waiting for an Uxbridge during the branch's mini-suspension - I assume it was mini, good service with no issues reported when I boarded 431 at Wembley Pk, tipped out at Harrow due to Pts Failure, then 416 turned up in service about 10-15 minutes later, but I digress... 401 Arrived SB and terminated, before heading off Ety to Neasden (?) 402 was headed NB, describing itself as a Watford All Stations The points failure shut the whole of Uxbridge down, with nothing able to be moved in or out. A train that was stuck outside Uxbridge was sent wrong-direction back to Hillingdon. The train ahead of 431 was sent to Ruislip, with the train behind 431 being sent to Rickmansworth. There wasn't room for all 3 to reverse at Ruislip. Anyway, yes we managed for only the second time this week to get 2 S-stocks out for the PM peak. They have been very useful gap fillers, however we had very few cancelled trains yesterday, so Watford did get a bit overcrowded for a while. The trains will now generally operate fast or local from Wembley to Harrow (dependant on the service at that time). Then all stations to Watford (sometimes Croxley to detrain). Then all stations as far as Harrow on the south. Due to amount of time it seems to take to detrain them, all S-stocks will detrain at Harrow for the time being to avoid the whole line grinding to a halt. |
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Post by greatcentral on Nov 27, 2010 16:18:31 GMT
Managed my first trip yesterday on 401 21008 which I overtook on an Amersham passing N Harrow so hopped off at Harrow(1051) for the trip to Wembley. Impressive acceleration but awful upholstery- very thin. Compared very badly with the Piccadilly line stock I travelled on later.
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Post by deadmans on Dec 16, 2010 6:59:33 GMT
21013 Sneaked into Neasden last night. |
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Post by dangeruxb on Dec 16, 2010 18:39:25 GMT
A few sightings from the the last few days
Tuesday 14th
21004 Train 441 All Stations Watford @ Northwick Park 09:35
21003 Train 441 Went out of Service @ Harrow-on-the-Hill 19:40
Un-Id'd S Stock @ West Harrow Southbound @ 19:50
Wednesday 15th
21004 Train 441 All Stations Watford @ Preston Road 09:25
21003 Train 445 All stations Baker St @ Harrow-on-the-Hill 19:00
Thursday 16th
21006 Train 451 All Stations Watford @ Harrow-on-the-Hill 09:16
Hope this helps clarifiy the moves they are doing. I didnt see any 20's lying around after 21013's delivery though!
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Post by thc on Dec 18, 2010 8:09:42 GMT
Hope this helps clarifiy the moves they are doing. I didnt see any 20's lying around after 21013's delivery though! The Class 20s and barrier/match wagons were sat outside Neasden depot yesterday morning alongside the running lines when I passed sb on a class 165. I think they were still there in the evening, although alcohol had been taken by this stage so I can't be certain! ;D THC |
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Post by chris116 on Dec 19, 2010 19:46:38 GMT
As I would like to have a ride on the new S stock, are they running to fixed times or is it hit and miss on which stock a train is formed of?
Chris
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Post by c3c on Dec 19, 2010 20:41:09 GMT
As I would like to have a ride on the new S stock, are they running to fixed times or is it hit and miss on which stock a train is formed of? Chris Well last week, every day apart from Friday (Due to Snow) there seems to be a All stations watford at 7:40 Wembley Pk P2. Also at Harrow On the Hill P5 All stations BAKER st at around 4:05. And finally Wembley Pk All stations Watford P2 at Around 4:20. This is what happened last week and it may not happen this week. Thanks  |
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