92ts overhaul due?

You need to spend more time on the Central Line...if you do that you would have noticed the following...

Mechanicals would be okay...with £150 million spent on new bogies (look at some trains underneath and they will have new kit on half of the trains).

Duct tape on the cab ends is in the process of being replaced (alot of cabs have this done already).

Resealing the windows to prevent rain leaking into the cars and ruining the seats (seats will not be replaced until this has been done). Paintwork is being tidied up in that area too.

Like it or not that is about as good as they are going to get. And if they have spent £150 million on new bogies then you can sure say you will not be getting any new stock any time soon.

edit: just makes me wonder would it not have been cheaper over time to just replace the fleet if the sum of £150 million has been spent on new siemens bogies?

Word going around that we will be getting a refurb for 2012 and that there is already a refurbed cab on one unit though I've not had the pleasure of sitting in it yet. Once again with money short and a lot more pressing matters on other lines I'm not holding my breath for this.

plasmid - Perhaps I'm not reading your post as intended, but you seem to be slightly hostile?

I did say in my first post that I thought the mechanicals were ok, it was the bodies that were showing signs of wear!

I'm glad to hear things are getting done; the units I saw when I was out and about looked decidedly shabby. £150m on bogies seems an awful lot of money, especially when you take into account the Northern Line trains were £6m each... (source: the previous 1992ts thread linked to by Chris W) ...but then, I like the 92ts so it's good to hear they're getting some TLC, and I'd bet there'd be more costs involved than just the price of the train if they were replaced!

aslefshrugged I'd heard something about them getting refurbed for 2012, but I can't for the life of me remember where I'd heard it. Wasn't on this forum tho. I also can't see where the money's going to come from for this.

plasmid - Glad to hear it, my mistake, sorry!

Antharro - I first heard about the pre 2012 refurb from a DMT a month ago but nothing more than a rumour at the moment and I think we all know how much rumour and gossip goes on at LUL.

Nick0323 and Superteacher - I was told about the refurb cab by a TOp (a usually reliable one), said it was instantly recognisable as the interior was pristine, so probably not the unit involved in the BEG derail. Don’t know if the refurb included the saloon or just the cab, as I said I haven’t been fortunate enough to give it a try but then there are 170 cabs out there and we only get two or three trains a day, what are the chances?

The alcohol ban can not be enforced, so I can't imagine a food ban is going to make much different.

I do agree with the previous comment about the seats needing deep cleaned or recovered though!

Well, doesn't the Central run 30tph during peak, and about half that during other times, meaning there will be quite a number sat in sidings?

Auxsetreq when you say “small enclosed environment” do you mean the saloon or the cab? Picked up from a WHC TOp yesterday at LES WB and when I changed ends at EAB was greeted by an apple core next to the fire extinguisher and a load of pasatchio shells by the footrest. Food ban, yes please!

Nick0323 – can’t comment on Stratford depot, that’s the Jub, but we certainly don’t have a surplus of trains sitting around in depots on the Central during the peak. If they are being refurbed sometime between now and the Olympics then we will have less stock available while it’s being done.

On the state of the exterior paint work one favourite “tagger” spots is the main line shunt west of LES, which the last HAI train does every night except Sunday. I’ve lost count the number of times I’ve done this duty and discovered that there had been a bit of redecoration when I changed ends up the North Neck. I was hoping that they’d lose this move with the new timetable and run the last HAI through the pipe but it appears to still be there so with the summer hols coming up I foresee the cleaners doing a lot of scrubbing.

***Auxsetreq when you say “small enclosed environment” do you mean the saloon or the cab? Picked up from a WHC TOp yesterday at LES WB and when I changed ends at EAB was greeted by an apple core next to the fire extinguisher and a load of pasatchio shells by the footrest. Food ban, yes please!***

Both, Aslefshrugged ( great Handle BTW, sooo true ) Some of our colleagues can be a little messy too, I agree, but they don't have time to eat what I observed the other day coming from behind in the saloon. Got to East Acton in the evening peak, bloke got on, and then came the whiff. "'Ere we go, I thought." Got to WC and got out and peered through the window directly behind. Sitting there was some guy eating - Chef's special fried rice and what looked like crispy pork and king prawns in a sweet and sour sauce, chucking it down with chopsticks to boot. So I got on and asked " Scuuuze mate, could you please eat that on the platform 'cos yer stinking the whole train out." He paused and looked aghast that another human being existed and had dared to pop the bubble of his little world. He was good though and to the relief of the other punters closed up the boxes that contained the offensive odours and just sat there........Some of 'em get on first thing, have a banana, wash it down with a Red Bull, and leave both slimy skin and can on the seat, talk about inconsiderate, lazy and selfish............

The morons that have defaced and continue to deface trains, walls and so on should be made to pay for the damage done, and made to clean it up. Send the bailiffs 'round...........

DWS - This was the morning peak! Sorry I didn't mention in my original post...

@ auxsetreq - I agree with your disagreement on food on the tube, I find it annoying especially when travelling during peak hours. Some people's odour is bad enough as it is...

aslefshrugged - surely there must be one or two spare trains which do nothing during peak and can be sent off for refurbishment without affecting the timetable? I can't recall how many D stocks went off at once or whether if it was just one!

The central is chronically under stocked for the service it deserves and should have, and also for the reliability of the 92ts.

The line needs something, but I'm increasingly doubtful its a refurb of the 92s. You can gold plate a brick but it'll never be an ingot. The money spent on the bogies seems a total waste when the line requires new stock in terms of engineering and PR more urgently than the SSR, however a cynic would suggest its just designed to keep them going till money and time is more freely available to replace them totally.

Are these peak or off peak. I've noticed in recent years the increasing use of Newbury Park as a reversing point on the Hainault loop. Back in my days of frequent to sporadic use of the Central, I remember White City shorts running to either Liverpool St or Leytonstone. I've also noticed that Northolt is a reversing point not just during the peaks.

There are 6 WHC - NEP trains (101 - 106). There are only 3 scheduled Leytonstone reversers in the evening. North Action and Debden reversers are only scheduled in peak times (although there are some NOA on Sat mornings). As for the new timetable, the off peak services are totally unchanged, even down to the train numbers and times. It's only the peaks / peak shoulders that are different.

All trains operate over the whole line, there are not separate ones for east and west end.