The future of the "Wimbleware"

My understanding is that the Wimbleware will be unchanged, though I accept your reservations!

Just to remind you, I wrote a piece on the proposed changes back in 2003 which can be read at www.trainweb.org/districtdave/html/upgrade_plans.html - unfortunately some of the links no longer work and of course there are changes to the plan which have been discussed elsewhere on this forum.

If ATO is to be delayed as rumured the T cup will not work! As stated Edgware Road will not work. If T cup is implemented, running the Wimbledon trains to Moorgate will add extra pressure to the Northern Circle. Aldgate is not an option because Met trains will need it to reverse 10 tph to Uxbridge.

By projecting Wimbledon trains to Moorgate, (apart from crossing the westbound road) they will have to compete with Circle Line trains to and from Hammersmith, Hammersmith & City trains to and from Hammersmith and at Baker St, the aformentioned Uxbridge-Aldgate trains, plus all the other Met city trains in the rush hour!

Anyone for an old skool Wimbledon-High Street service?

At present there are 3 C Stocks out-stabled at Edgware Road.

They were banding round ideas at connecting the east end of the sidings up with the running line.

Personally, if they get round to flogging off the airspace above the station in time then a complete remodel, with straight, thus faster platforms and as you say, one more platform would be nice.

*Retrieves pie from sky*

Nope, the C stocks only just fit into them now! I like the idea of a 3rd platform-that would certainly make things better.

That is a possibility. I personally think that the Moorgate-Barbican section will become sidings when the track is closed.

Are those portakabins going? They've been there for at least the last 20 years, I assumed they were permanent.

The portakabins were part of the 'temporary' signal and communications installation depot which opened in 1980. The P-Way had a small section there. I worked from it for all bar four years from the time it was opened to the time it closed following devolution. The depot was for the most part vacated in the run up to devolution as engineering was outsourced and staff were downsiized from 1989 through 1991. The remaining S&E staff having survived the hatchet were transferred to signal house at Acton Works in early 1992 ISTR. I believe the portakabins are in use by the P-Way to this day. The last time I was near or by about four years ago most of the depot as I knew it was gone having been derelict for several years.

They are full full of what I assume P Way, when I go past late in the evenings.

Like the chesham service the future of wimbledon to edgeware road trains is uncertain. Although the T-cup service is not planned to affect this i expect it will leaving us with a service that terminates at high street kensington or moorgate, however both of those seem unlikely. Also the introduction of the t-cup service is unlikely its self because of the work on infastructure needed. Signals need updating, track needs relaying and other things. If this all gets done by 2011 (the date it should be done) i will be very suprised

It's on the LU Intranet!

Well it proves that it is 99% likely to happen, as it says they can't sustain the increased service without it. Maybe someone in the upgrades (PRJB) could get it okayed to have it posted here?

The Wood Lane station page does promise a future 15 tph service on the Hammersmith branch, and I can't see how that can happen without a major reworking of services.

So I'd count it as a public acknowledgement that something's up.

This is what it says on the Intranet - for my part, I think that turning trains at Edgware Road will be worse than having a Circle....:

As part of the upgrade, new service patterns are being developed for the Circle line. A number of options were considered, but the final option selected provides the most customer benefits. Under this proposal, Circle line trains will run from Hammersmith then on around the existing Circle line route, before reversing at Edgware Road. This will disbenefit a small number of customers who currently travel east from stations such as Notting Hill Gate, but overall it will bring more benefits.

The suggestion of running the Metropolitan line as far as Barking was rejected as the longer route would reduce the reliability of the service while not providing significant benefits. Terminating the Metropolitan line service at Baker Street was also consider, but this would inconvenience a significant number of customers who travel onwards to the city.

Outline of the proposed service

Benefits
The service between Hammersmith and Paddington will be increased, supporting growing demand in this area. The reliability of the Circle line will be improved, and in the event of degraded service, reversing Circle line trains at Edgware Road will make recovery easier.

Planning
The new service will still be described as 'Circle line', and train descriptions will be carefully worded to ensure that customers understand which train they need to catch

This service pattern will require an increased number of trains to operate, and so cannot be introduced until delivery of the new sub surface rolling stock is well underway.

Hammersmith & City line trains will continue to run to Barking and Aldgate will remain the terminus for the Metropolitan line. Specific details on train frequencies are still being developed and will be posted on these pages once available.

I also reckon that the line between Acton Town and Rayners Lane will become SSR.