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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2008 21:53:00 GMT
I hope it is in half term so I can go on it!
I'm sure Oracle isn't at school, but would be able to attend if his children aren't at school.
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Post by Oracle on Jan 12, 2008 22:12:58 GMT
Oracle left Grammar School in June 1973! I have one son at College and another at school. Both would love to come. We could stay overnight in Hounslow West.
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Post by antharro on Jan 12, 2008 22:19:49 GMT
I'm up for this - thanks Dave! :-)
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Post by william on Jan 12, 2008 22:20:37 GMT
I hope it is in half term so I can go on it! I'm sure Oracle isn't at school, but would be able to attend if his children aren't at school. In my days as a kid at school, you were excused lessons if you had a genuine interest in a particular subject as to you future career at any time.
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Post by metman on Jan 13, 2008 1:36:30 GMT
I doubt the train would be taken out of service-especially if it is going straight to Ealing Common after. I wouldn't take a grap handle halfway through the trip!!!
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Post by nickworld on Jan 13, 2008 6:22:35 GMT
one more for the ride please!
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Post by PGtrips on Jan 13, 2008 21:59:47 GMT
Yes please, count me in, depending on the final date.
Thanks Dave, and colleagues, for sticking your necks out for our benefit and going the extra mile to make this a special and memorable event.
It would be really good if people could think ahead a little and refrain from planning on removing bits, flash photography, trespassing, any other anti-social behaviour or doing anything else that is contrary to the rules or that could get genuine enthusiasts a bad reputation. Otherwise, events like this will not be sanctioned in the future, because they will be too much trouble. So bang will go your 67TS, A Stock and C Stock farewells.
Wouldn't it be good if management could look back at the last unrefurb D Stock trip and remember the event as passing off with exemplary behaviour from all involved?
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Post by Chris W on Jan 14, 2008 12:01:14 GMT
It would be really good if people could think ahead a little and refrain from planning on removing bits, flash photography, trespassing, any other anti-social behaviour or doing anything else that is contrary to the rules or that could get genuine enthusiasts a bad reputation. Otherwise, events like this will not be sanctioned in the future, because they will be too much trouble. So bang will go your 67TS, A Stock and C Stock farewells. Wouldn't it be good if management could look back at the last unrefurb D Stock trip and remember the event as passing off with exemplary behaviour from all involved? As many will know that's a drum that I've been banging in the past month in relation to the ELL - as aspect pointed out in that thread, it is a minority who do the things that pgtrips has mentioned above. I don't believe that members here are prone to such improper behaviour, however as the forum is read more widely IMO its useful that the polite request is made. If work allows I'll hopefully be able to join in the party
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Post by compsci on Jan 14, 2008 14:18:28 GMT
Unless someone at the refurbishment works has been thinking ahead and statshing all the bits they've taken off this is probably too late, but while I was in New York the year before last it was possible to buy all sorts of bits of withdrawn and refurbished stock from the museum shop.
Quite a bit for museum funds or charity (the LT museum won't officially be a charity until about April) could be made if LU did something similar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 16:19:37 GMT
good idea compsci the LTM could use it for spares for their current stock and the cushions are also availble in the shop maybe the D stock's could too
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Post by Colin on Jan 14, 2008 18:16:19 GMT
It is anticipated, subject to any late switches in the refurbishment program, that the train will be formed as follows : west 7530 - 17530 - 7531 - 8015 - 17015 - 7115 east I had that very train this morning - and during the prep in the depot I checked all the strap hangers.........every single one is present so any thieving will be noticed!! ;D ;D ;D ;D I also noted that the double ended unit at the west end, 7530, is probably the wost example of an interior out there with bit's of damaged floor and side walls in every car - it just looks a mess. Shame really if it's going to be the last example people see. Happily the east end, 7115, is much tidier. I did a rounder with it, then it was back in Upminster depot as one of the mid day stablers. From what I saw when I booked off (late again thanks to track circuits failing at Minories junction - and gee what a surprise, that's where the egineering work was this weekend ), it was still on the road I stabled it on and won't be out again till tomorrow just in case anyone wanted to chase it ). There was also a second non refurb hiding on one of the shed roads - you photographers really will have your work cut finding them in service now I think. EDIT: I think it's also worth mentioning that I was talking to one of those based in the line management structure of the line this morning - he is very keen that members of this forum are made aware the event (as Dave has already said). Now I do appreciate that anyone in the world can read this thread (as does the manager concerned), but any poor behavior on the day will reflect on this forum and may well be noted when it comes to any events in the future. This forum does have status and is very much respected within LUL - that's why Dave, Aspect and the rest of you are being involved. If you'd like this sort of thing to continue in the future........we'll I think you know what I'm suggesting
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 14, 2008 18:28:22 GMT
Unless someone at the refurbishment works has been thinking ahead and statshing all the bits they've taken off this is probably too late, but while I was in New York the year before last it was possible to buy all sorts of bits of withdrawn and refurbished stock from the museum shop. Quite a bit for museum funds or charity (the LT museum won't officially be a charity until about April) could be made if LU did something similar. A good idea there. Particularly as there's all sorts of rules around waste these days and it probably costs a fair whack to dispose of all of this stuff. Whereas a couple of hours with a screwdriver could result in useful income.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 18:45:43 GMT
Is this the last set with door open buttons? The lighted buttons were fascinating when I first saw them in 1982 after growing up with the NY Subway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 18:57:00 GMT
I shall definately be about on Saturday, chasing it... if anyone who has the ability to access info as to wether it will be running, I would very much appreciate it, and I suppose anyone else would too!
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Post by Oracle on Jan 14, 2008 18:59:49 GMT
The last CO/CP and R Stock runs showed how well people with a genuine interest could behave, and each then set the stage for the respective farewell tours. Needless to say,all members of DD's forum are Ladies and Gentlemen and behave accordingly. Regrettably there are others out there and as of this evening, having seen the online evidence in another forum, I really have to wonder how many darn plonkers there are who might let their natural talents come to the fore?
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Post by Colin on Jan 14, 2008 19:22:51 GMT
I shall definately be about on Saturday, chasing it... if anyone who has the ability to access info as to wether it will be running, I would very much appreciate it, and I suppose anyone else would too! As I'm sure you'll appreciate, the easiest form of info are the depot road lists - once the allocated train number is known & coupled with the Working timetable.............however it could all come undone at a stroke if the service goes awry and reforms occur. I'm dead earlies this week and would help, but I'm rest day saturday ;D ;D ;D The most up to date info I can provide is that the aforementioned unit was stabled on 40 east in Upminster depot at 1545 today. Assuming it stays there overnight it'll be out from Upminster tomorrow.
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Post by District Dave on Jan 14, 2008 19:38:34 GMT
A point to clarify here.....
Although this event will mark the last running of the unrefurbished stock, it is not being run (at least as far as we are aware) as a 'special' but it will be in normal passenger service (though I will not be surprised if there is not a great deal of space for the commuters!).
So - and to emphasise Colin's point - I hope that the behaviours displayed by the enthusiast community (not just members here) will do nothing to encorage the opinion of 'anoraks' in the derogatory sense!
At the moment the only part of the working that may be 'enthusiast only' will be the trip between Ealing Broadway and Ealing Common prior to the train being stabled - and that depends on permission being given for this.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 14, 2008 20:41:16 GMT
Will try to be there - depends what time the last run will be at. Can be out of school by 3.30pm at a push. I teach in Dagenham, so I could get to Upminster fairly quickly. Seems weird that in just a few years time, we'll be saying farewell to the D stock - full stop! Does anyone else think that the D stock refurbishment, pleasasnt as it may be, is a waste of money?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 21:05:42 GMT
It is anticipated, subject to any late switches in the refurbishment program, that the train will be formed as follows : west 7530 - 17530 - 7531 - 8015 - 17015 - 7115 east I have modified my earlier post to correct the car numbers ! Most unsual not one of you pulled me up on the error ! They should, of course, be west 7530 - 17530 - 7531 - 8115 - 17115 - 7115 east (I had the "015" unit on my mind as it is stopped at Upminster being robbed of some bits, a rather rare event with D stock ! I suspect it will soon be back out however.) I only noticed two unrefurbished trains about as all day runners today, so now becoming a rareity indeed. Is this the last set with door open buttons? The lighted buttons were fascinating when I first saw them in 1982 after growing up with the NY Subway. Other stock have residual door open buttons. The D stock was the first stock to reintroduce them after they had been removed from R and P stocks. I'd also echo the views of others regarding the obvious need for responsible behaviour during this working. But do all have fun !
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 14, 2008 21:06:20 GMT
I teach by Turnham Green, so I suppose I'll only get the last bit! I got on a non-refurbed D this morning - about 8am from Victoria - should have taken a couple of photos, but there were so many people around, I didn't want to sit with them for 20 minutes with the whole carriage thinking I'm a saddo!
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Post by Oracle on Jan 14, 2008 21:54:03 GMT
I just hope, as mentioned before, that Half-Term is on, to make life easier.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 14, 2008 22:11:32 GMT
I just hope, as mentioned before, that Half-Term is on, to make life easier. Half term is different, depending on where you live / work! My one is Monday 18th - Friday 22nd Feb, but I know it's different in one of the neighbouring boroughs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 23:16:06 GMT
mine is Saturday 9 February - Sunday 17 February, so I may be in luck!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 23:36:45 GMT
Seems weird that in just a few years time, we'll be saying farewell to the D stock - full stop! Does anyone else think that the D stock refurbishment, pleasasnt as it may be, is a waste of money? Aren't they required under H&S, or whoever, to be refurbished after so many years in service, so it had to happen any way? If not, then yes I do agree to a certain extent, however, they will still be in service for a good number of years after the first S Stock is introduced!
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Post by Oracle on Jan 15, 2008 9:49:48 GMT
My one is Monday 18th - Friday 22nd Feb Same here! Dorset might be different from Hampshire and Wiltshire.
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Post by metman on Jan 15, 2008 11:27:46 GMT
Seems weird that in just a few years time, we'll be saying farewell to the D stock - full stop! Does anyone else think that the D stock refurbishment, pleasasnt as it may be, is a waste of money? Aren't they required under H&S, or whoever, to be refurbished after so many years in service, so it had to happen any way? If not, then yes I do agree to a certain extent, however, they will still be in service for a good number of years after the first S Stock is introduced! I believe the modifications to the D stock were made simply to improve the asthetic value of the stock. Because the stock is older than H&S regulations, it did not need to be altered as such although wheelchair areas where provided anyway. I don't think the refurb was a waste of money-It is possible the D stock may see further service elsewhere. Finally, I imagine LU were feed up of people thinking the D stock was the oldest just because it wasn't refurbished, I know my mates thought that!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 12:08:07 GMT
My understanding is that the improvements to D stock have increased the ambiance "score" which results in LU paying a higher charge to Metronet, which pays for the refurb from Metronet's point of view. Of course, now that Metronet are being propped up by TfL, that's not really relevant, but it would have been when the refurbishment program started.
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Post by Ben on Jan 15, 2008 12:51:26 GMT
With the D's being the last to be replaced, and all the S's being either 7 or 8 cars long, are we likely to see the possibility of D78s running the Wimbleware in the future?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 13:07:03 GMT
With the D's being the last to be replaced, and all the S's being either 7 or 8 cars long, are we likely to see the possibility of D78s running the Wimbleware in the future? Only if shortened I guess... and I would think it more likely that that would not happen. It is more likely that it will get the S stock quite early, I would have thought.
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Post by Colin on Jan 15, 2008 14:34:51 GMT
7 car S stocks will replace the C stocks - the effect will be current C stock services operated by trains of a similar length to current D stock services; appropriate platforms etc will be lengthened to accommodate the 7 car S stocks. So at first glance, it's plausible..........however: Substituting a 7 car S stock with a D stock would be extremely unlikely for several reasons: - D stocks are not 'gauged' to run up to Edgware Road (AFAIK)
- D stocks are also not 'gauged' between Edgware Road & Aldgate East/Tower Hill [via Kings Cross] (again, AFAIK) - so if a situation arose where the train was unable to return via Notting Hill Gate, it couldn't be reformed into a Circle and would thus become 'trapped' causing a blockage.
- Edgware Road drivers are not stock trained on D stock - changeovers couldn't happen like they do presently (including the previously mentioned Circle line reformation)
- Edgware Road cannot be shown on the displays (minor issue admittedly)
- S stock will have in cab monitors - the current OPO equipment on an extended platform would be rendered incompatible with D stocks
I just can't see it.
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