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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 19:19:26 GMT
Sorry guys, but shouldn't that be a different thread? This one is for 378s
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 19, 2009 13:16:53 GMT
Just to add salt in to the 378's wounds.. 5 & 7 didn't get sold on Friday... :-(
378013 is having a few technical problems with power packs as well....
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Post by andypurk on Jul 19, 2009 20:14:37 GMT
Was quite surprised to see my first 378 out and about (rather than sat at Willesden) today. A unit passed north on the DC lines through Harrow at about 13.35 this afternoon, didn't get an ID as I had just passed under the Headstone Drive bridge.
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Post by happybunny on Jul 21, 2009 11:31:13 GMT
Im gonna use the NLL on 5th Aug, any chance of a new train ?
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Post by 21146 on Jul 21, 2009 15:05:07 GMT
Is there another media launch today? A friend working for Newham Council said he was off to see the new train.
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 21, 2009 16:36:56 GMT
Was quite surprised to see my first 378 out and about (rather than sat at Willesden) today. A unit passed north on the DC lines through Harrow at about 13.35 this afternoon, didn't get an ID as I had just passed under the Headstone Drive bridge. That would have been 378013 on a test run it's having a few power problems. Very odd though that it went D.C. as the problem is with the A.C. 378013 went out last night and had the same power problem as the last 2 times and went back to the tmd and 378016 went to Bletchley instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2009 19:00:59 GMT
Im gonna use the NLL on 5th Aug, any chance of a new train ? Ask us on the 4th of August, not the 21st of July |
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 24, 2009 3:52:55 GMT
Just thought I'd drop by and mention that the Bombardier staff at Willesden were very busy last night buffing and polishing trains..
Friday is here and it's "Let's try and sell some trains day" again!!!
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Post by roythebus on Jul 24, 2009 8:26:18 GMT
I know several people in the Barnsley area who are prepared to pay decent proces for scrap metal....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 18:34:19 GMT
Is there another media launch today? If so, this is really getting silly now. How many times are these trains going to be launched before a paying passenger ever sets foot in one? How many sets of poster-campaigns for the new trains will we see come and go without actually being able to travel on any new trains? |
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 24, 2009 19:23:22 GMT
Well as I mentioned before 2 were ment to be sold last Friday but this never happened. Today was another "Lets try and sell some trains" day.. and until I get to willesden tonight I don't know if this did or did not happen...
Will post the results in the morning if I find out..
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Post by 21146 on Jul 24, 2009 19:42:36 GMT
Is there another media launch today? If so, this is really getting silly now. How many times are these trains going to be launched before a paying passenger ever sets foot in one? How many sets of poster-campaigns for the new trains will we see come and go without actually being able to travel on any new trains? There was some sort of viewing for local councils in the Willesden TMD |
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 25, 2009 10:58:51 GMT
Well as I mentioned before 2 were ment to be sold last Friday but this never happened. Today was another "Lets try and sell some trains" day.. and until I get to willesden tonight I don't know if this did or did not happen... Will post the results in the morning if I find out.. Well as I guessed... NO SALE !!!! Wednesday is next "Lets try and sell some trains" day ;-) 378007 was out and about last night on all lines testing the P.I.S. (Passenger Information System) All was going well until we left Watford Junction then the computer gave up playing trains and was having software issues and would not log on to what ever it needed to say where it was, no not the satelite for the gps, so it failled that part of the test and went back to Willesden with it's tail between it's legs ;-( That's me done for the next 2 weeks ... I hope that when I get back atleast 2 trains are in service ;-) but won't be surprised if there not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 11:06:19 GMT
I am at Willesden all next week. If I hear that the 378s will be coming out to play, I will let you all know
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 18:55:24 GMT
I hope that when I get back atleast 2 trains are in service ;-) but won't be surprised if there not. Yep. This one will run and run (pun unintended). Seriously - I would not be surprised if it's September or later before these trains enter passenger service. Maybe they'll have another launch at that point ...  |
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Post by patstonuk on Jul 25, 2009 19:34:43 GMT
What on earth is going on with these trains? There have been problems with all types of units post-privatisation but the 378s (and, regrettably the 377s on the national network) seem to be an absolute disaster. Do Bombardier have any hope of pulling these particular irons out of the fire?
I suppose the performance of the 'S' stock and '09's will have some influence...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 20:13:32 GMT
In one of the Gen Groups, someone has spotted #11,#12 and #136* at Derby Litchurch Lane
*Couldn't confirm whether it was a 3 or 4 car 378 for 136
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 12:31:49 GMT
What on earth is going on with these trains? There have been problems with all types of units post-privatisation but the 378s (and, regrettably the 377s on the national network) seem to be an absolute disaster. Do Bombardier have any hope of pulling these particular irons out of the fire? I suppose the performance of the 'S' stock and '09's will have some influence... If you go back to the introduction of the 319 when Thameslink started you had a worse situation where half the fleet weren't ready. So for us at FCC its history reapting itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 12:38:14 GMT
What on earth is going on with these trains? I agree; this has reached the point of absurdity where serious questions ought to start being asked, now. I mean, these trains are nearly a fulll year overdue! They're not even a totally new, untried design ( inter-carrage walkthroughs excepting) - they're a varient of the electrostar which has been around for years now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 12:40:28 GMT
I suppose the performance of the 'S' stock and '09's will have some influence... Does anybody seriously expect these to come into service on time? |
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Post by 21146 on Jul 26, 2009 12:55:17 GMT
I also love the way the seem to be offered to LOROL on an individual "deal or no deal" basis . Did LT buy D Stock or 1973 Stock using the same system?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 15:09:01 GMT
I also love the way the seem to be offered to LOROL on an individual "deal or no deal" basis . Did LT buy D Stock or 1973 Stock using the same system? Quite. Back in the days of BR, they just designed, made and then used the trains, for heavens' sake! Perfectly straightforward and it worked: none of this drawn-out beaurocratic tendering, bidding, negotiating, contracts and leases of stock from banks (I mean banks owning train carriages! I mean honestly!) ... only for the trains still not to work! Yes - this new, thrusting, modernised 21st century world of privatisation is really delivering benefits and efficiencies! Not like that old, out-of-date, ineffective public ownership nonsense, oh no ...! |
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Post by andypurk on Jul 26, 2009 16:48:07 GMT
I also love the way the seem to be offered to LOROL on an individual "deal or no deal" basis . Did LT buy D Stock or 1973 Stock using the same system? Surely all stock made by an external contractor has to be accepted in this way. x miles of trouble free running before ownership a unit is actually transferred from buillder to client. I would be interested in finding out why this process is taking so long. Bombardier seem to be knocking out 377/5s for Southern (then subleased to FCC) and they get accepted quickly (the recent class wide fault wouldn't have been caught in commissioning anyway). Posts in this thread have said that two class 378 units have completed their commissioning mileage, so why are they still not accepted, even if full payment is withheld until the final wrinkles are sorted out? Are the various parties involved being too 'picky'? |
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Post by andypurk on Jul 26, 2009 16:56:29 GMT
What on earth is going on with these trains? There have been problems with all types of units post-privatisation but the 378s (and, regrettably the 377s on the national network) seem to be an absolute disaster. Do Bombardier have any hope of pulling these particular irons out of the fire? I suppose the performance of the 'S' stock and '09's will have some influence... Siemens seem to have done pretty OK with the class 350/2s. Not perfect, but they had 9 of the 10 units promised for the December timetable and the rest of the class are just about on target (can't remember the deadline) with just one unit still being commissioned. New trains were entering service within two weeks of delivery. Of course Siemens probably didn't contract so much of the construction out to other firms. |
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Post by 21146 on Jul 26, 2009 17:07:43 GMT
But surely LT stock was made by "external contractors", so did the CME dept. decide whether or not to return units to Metro-Cammell? ("Yes, we'll have that one. No, this one you can keep, maybe Hong Kong would like it?")
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Post by andypurk on Jul 26, 2009 19:47:33 GMT
But surely LT stock was made by "external contractors", so did the CME dept. decide whether or not to return units to Metro-Cammell? ("Yes, we'll have that one. No, this one you can keep, maybe Hong Kong would like it?") The older generations of units were much less complex, so there was much less to be tested (and to go wrong). If there was a problem with a particular unit, then I'm sure that the CME dept would send it back but only for rectification, not for resale. However, if you look at the continent, some classes of stock have been rejected by the railway which ordered them. For example, Norwegian State Railways rejected its Di6 Diesel locos (ironically built by Siemens) due to unreliablilty and returned them a few years after introduction. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 18:29:40 GMT
All that notwithstanding, the questions that must be asked is why LOROL didn't simply wait until they'd bought, accepted and were ready to run their 378s before publically launching them through the media?!
Wasn't there a previous poster campaign about the new trains way back last year? How many more of those can we expect to see without actually ever seeing an actual 378 in passenger use?
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Post by happybunny on Jul 28, 2009 14:39:33 GMT
When TfL first took over the routes and formed LO, we saw signs saying New Trains, More Staff, Oyster-pay-as-you-go. Almost 2 years later, still no new trains.
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Post by patstonuk on Jul 28, 2009 15:07:28 GMT
Reported elsewhere (Guy Houston on Yahoo grp se-gen) that another 3 (!!) are to be delivered together on Thursday. Units mentioned are 378008/017/018.
No doubt we shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 21:25:22 GMT
In another Yahoo Group (Your-Rail-Gen), someone stated that 378005 would enter service tommorow (29/7) and its first service would be the 06:50 Clapham-Willesden.
Is this true?
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