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Post by astock5000 on Jul 13, 2009 10:08:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 12:02:03 GMT
Anyone got any photos of todays launch event yet or any of the class 378's in service?
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Post by 21146 on Jul 13, 2009 12:57:22 GMT
Anyone got any photos of todays launch event yet or any of the class 378's in service? Yes..... www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/I'm not sure any have actually carried passengers yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 13:22:19 GMT
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 13, 2009 13:37:16 GMT
So did 378005 come out of the tmd and go back in the tmd ?? or did it go somewhere else ?
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Post by 21146 on Jul 13, 2009 13:44:55 GMT
I was told it was "depot and back"
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Post by 21146 on Jul 13, 2009 14:40:31 GMT
I'm not sure there are any "more flip-down seats" or I have I missed something? |
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 13, 2009 15:12:50 GMT
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Post by Alight on Jul 13, 2009 17:30:19 GMT
I didn't know they planned to put strap hangers in them!
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 13, 2009 17:49:42 GMT
I think it was an after thought.. Will try and confirm..
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Post by 21146 on Jul 13, 2009 17:53:11 GMT
BBC and ITV London news, plus the NLL Users' Group, panned the lack of seats compared to the 313's; wait until passengers see the S Stock! At least the 378s will be getting an extra carriage, no such luck for District or Met Line patrons. On the plus side the 378s do have a different ambience and feel a lot more secure compared to the existing stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 19:56:45 GMT
I see the cleaners were busy last night, they were there still when i arrived at 05.00, amazing when a member of staff wants stuff to be clean and tidy, they dont have the time yet when someone from above arrives all hands to the deck. I only hope that Boris had the appropriate cab pass to travel up front with the driver, something that im not allowed to do. Amazing what can happen when you are a VIP(sic).
I wonder if Boris is aware of the spat that has taken place ? Cant say anything more so will just leave it at that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2009 19:58:50 GMT
Have you read that artice? Spot the mistakes - "The first of dozens of air-conditioned trains destined for London Overground lines is to be unveiled later, with 24 rolled out across the week." "The first new trains on the network for 30 years" The last new trains on the North London Line were the 1958 built Class 501s, i think it was a slip of the tounge they got a 3 muddled up with a 5. should have been 50 years! |
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jul 13, 2009 21:19:32 GMT
whos stupid idea was it to go back in time and put seat covering on these new trains that is a modified version of D/1983 stock seat covering.
I thought they learned the lesson years ago that orange/yellow/brown is so 1970s
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Post by Oracle on Jul 13, 2009 21:22:10 GMT
Unless they mean the 313s? Ignoring the fact that they were intended for the GN initially, and gravitated. The EPBs of course were drafted-in after May 1985.
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jul 13, 2009 21:28:17 GMT
and will the class 378 be around tomorrow aswell?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 13, 2009 22:30:45 GMT
Unless they mean the 313s? Ignoring the fact that they were intended for the GN initially, and gravitated. The EPBs of course were drafted-in after May 1985. They were probably told that the 313s are about 35 years old, and assumed they'd been on the line since then. They've been on the NLL for 20 years, and the Watford line a few years longer. The 501s were actually replaced by slightly older 416s! |
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Post by 21146 on Jul 13, 2009 22:53:20 GMT
I want that moquette Daniel, what I can't stand is that pattern planned for the S Stock...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 15:31:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 18:19:19 GMT
BBC and ITV London news, plus the NLL Users' Group, panned the lack of seats compared to the 313's; This whole thing of having fewer and fewer seats on each new set of stock has been irritating me for some time, as well. The notion that ripping out more and more seats is some kind of "solution" to overcrowding is simply perverse, in my opinion. |
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Post by 21146 on Jul 15, 2009 18:31:26 GMT
BBC and ITV London news, plus the NLL Users' Group, panned the lack of seats compared to the 313's; This whole thing of having fewer and fewer seats on each new set of stock has been irritating me for some time, as well. The notion that ripping out more and more seats is some kind of "solution" to overcrowding is simply perverse, in my opinion. If you look at successive generations of Underground stock on a line-by-line basis almost every new design has less seats than the one before but it must be better because the PR/spin people tell us so. That's why I prefer to stand on a baking hot bendibus instead of sitting on a well-ventilated Routemaster... |
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Post by ghostofjk on Jul 15, 2009 21:43:56 GMT
BBC and ITV London news, plus the NLL Users' Group, panned the lack of seats compared to the 313's; This whole thing of having fewer and fewer seats on each new set of stock has been irritating me for some time, as well. The notion that ripping out more and more seats is some kind of "solution" to overcrowding is simply perverse, in my opinion. Yeah, who wants a solution that'll let more people get on the train???  Honestly, is anyone trying to say the new trains won't offer an improvement to the poor passengers who have to use the things at peak time? Compared to tube stock, the 313s are a disgrace, and wholly unsuited to the services they are used for. They would have been fine at a time of lower passenger numbers, but not any more. |
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Post by Ben on Jul 16, 2009 0:03:10 GMT
But the problem is thats a very biased comparison. Ripping out seats for more standees is very perverse a solution. I tell you what would let more people on the train; wider doorways, longer carriages and longer trains and wider trains. These are solutions that will be inevitable if traffic continues to build, along with better signalling. Otherwise in 50 years time we'll end up with completely empty carriages with no seating. They might have that in some hellish Japaneese metro somewhere, but I'm sure everyone around the entire globe likes to sit down?  The 313s are ghastly; I hate low back seating, and the trains are very spartan, the 378s will be even more so. If someone were to plot aerage seats per carraige against year, granted it would slowly fall, but recently its taken a nose dive for LUL. Eventually the bullet must be bitten; longer, faster, more frequent trains. |
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Post by happybunny on Jul 16, 2009 1:04:40 GMT
The 313s are ghastly; I hate low back seating, Me too.. the disgraceful thing is drivers seats on LUL stocks all still have low back seating.. when new buses have high back seating with full back, neck and head support for the driver!! Why have LO not extended all the platforms to take say 6 car trains? It seems ripping the seats out is a much cheaper alternative to extending platforms and providing longer trains with enough seats for passenger needs. |
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Post by Ben on Jul 16, 2009 2:13:55 GMT
Exactly! Its a cheap, quick 'fix' like painting over a masonry crack.
I'm actually suprised that high back drivers seats havent started to appear in the latest stock. Upper back support is very important, and considering that cabs are becoming cockpits slowly.
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Post by max on Jul 16, 2009 6:25:38 GMT
Exactly! Its a cheap, quick 'fix' like painting over a masonry crack. Don't forget, TfL stands for: Two fingers to Londoners |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 8:29:48 GMT
Don't forget, TfL stands for: Two fingers to Londoners Jeez. You're arrogant sometimes. Condemn the organisation and by implication the people that make it what it is. |
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Post by max on Jul 16, 2009 9:33:01 GMT
It was partly a joke. Sense of humour? Remember?
I've actually had a lot of dealings with TfL management, and I know other people also. A lot of people there don't deserve their salaries, holidays, and pensions. Its a thoroughly pathological and self-serving organisation in many ways.
Can't help feeling that the London Overground project has failed to deliver in so many ways though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 11:35:27 GMT
Has anyone got anything good to say?
For those that are critisising the train layout, what was you expecting Nice comfy seats with a table and waiter waiting to serve you food and refreshments, most people (apart from the traincrew) very rarely travel from one end of the NLL to the other. Most of you have already stated that the current fleet of 313s is not fit for purpose, yet when someone tries to do something about it, you then chastise them. If you travel during the peak periods you can see why TfL have gone down the road of having more people standing current capacity loadings are at 125%, something that would drop to around 90% with the new trains.
People keep saying it is a short term fix why not have longer trains, longer platforms etc, if you read the future plans you will note that these things will be coming online shortly, Those platforms that are currently to short will be extended, and those dreadful 3 car trains that have more capacity will be extended to 4 car formations, with new siganling system to come on stream more trains will be able to run. When this happens and the passenger numbers start to filter through perhaps then we can have the comfy seats and waiter service that i know you are so well looking forward to.
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Post by johnb on Jul 16, 2009 11:36:10 GMT
Blimey. So TfL get a new, larger fleet of longer trains for the NLL, which will be run more frequently, and with the DfT spend hundreds of millions of pounds on improvements to the NLL allowing a more frequent service, and people here go off on one about how it's failed...?
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