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Post by geebeezed on Dec 24, 2009 4:09:29 GMT
Dunno about mystery, they tend to run as required at short notice, as & when Bombardier have got them into some sort of reliable order... We dropped 378150 at Chart Leacon a couple of hours ago, on shed were 141 & 147 with 148 & 149 shuttling up & down on mileage accmulation.  |
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 24, 2009 13:32:29 GMT
Another one for the ELL is on its way to Ashford tonight - 378150 should be leaving Derby shortly. By my reckoning that just leaves 5 ELL sets to come south - it must be getting quite cosy inside at New Cross Gate! I thought there were another 8 class 378/1s to be delivered (135 and 151 - 157). |
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Post by patstonuk on Dec 24, 2009 15:30:53 GMT
Another one for the ELL is on its way to Ashford tonight - 378150 should be leaving Derby shortly. By my reckoning that just leaves 5 ELL sets to come south - it must be getting quite cosy inside at New Cross Gate! I thought there were another 8 class 378/1s to be delivered (135 and 151 - 157). Sorry! I should have made it clear I was talking about the completion of the original ELL order - not the extra bits and pieces added subsequently. |
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Post by patstonuk on Jan 7, 2010 20:29:54 GMT
378006 being delivered from Derby to Willesden this evening.
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Post by 21146 on Jan 14, 2010 18:08:19 GMT
A recent letter in Rail rightly castigates the internal design of the 378s. If you sit down, you can't see out, as your back is to one window and the one opposite is invariably blocked by other seated passengers. The seats are rock hard and with backs that are set at pew-like upright angle. If you stand up, the windows are too shallow to see out properly, and are even lower where the external DMI display is. The windows in the door pockets are smaller still, whilst if you are forced to stand in the 'bellows' area there are of course no windows at all. I've used these trains several times off-peak from Stratford and it is common to find all seats occupied even before departure, which is ridiculous at that time of day and certainly wasn't the case with the 313s. Externally the trains look great, the LU-derived livery that helps to create an integrated TFL look and which follows the carriages' body lines (none of the naff Ray Stenning bus graphic style thank god), and the internal sliding passenger doors hark back to traditional UK (and LT) EMU design; but all this is totally let down by the cattle-class interior spec.
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 14, 2010 20:35:17 GMT
Tfl ordered them... Nothing to do with Lorol ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 3:28:05 GMT
378 009 which was delivered mid-December is now in service.
378 153 left Derby for Ashford last night
Three more 313s have left LOROL for Wolverton to be Overhauled for Southern
Units - 313103/ 313107/ 313112 - that 9 units now that have left Willesden for good
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Post by andypurk on Jan 15, 2010 12:09:45 GMT
Three more 313s have left LOROL for Wolverton to be Overhauled for Southern Units - 313103/ 313107/ 313112 - that 9 units now that have left Willesden for good This morning there was a 313 in Southern livery at Willesden. Couldn't see which one though as I was on the wrong side of my train. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 20:05:12 GMT
Would of been 313 204 (formerly 313 104), 313 205 would of been lurking about with it, they were the first two that left Willesden for Wolverton late last year. They left Wolverton yesterday after the other three arrived.
378 152 is leaving Derby for Ashford tonight - my my they are getting a roll on with these units!
Makes a change after the Bombardiers 377/5 debacle!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 20:37:08 GMT
I've had my first experience of these trains this week between Stratford and Olympia and must say I've quite enjoyed the ride. Admittedly I did have to stand quite a bit but found it far more comfortable than standing between the seats on a 313. The seats are hard and angular but for somebody like me who tends to slouch, this has improved my posture somewhat! The overall ride is far smoother than the 313s and the air movement inside the carriages far superior. The announcements are clear and the dot matrix displays easy to read making the need for large windows largely irrelevant to me personally. My only real criticism is the siting of the line diagrams being only above the doors. Why an intermediate diagram can't be provided is beyond me. Otherwise, it would seem to me, a pretty good effort all round. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 15, 2010 22:23:24 GMT
I'm afraid I'm with RAIL magazine's contributor on this - not enough seats, and I don't like riding sideways.
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 16, 2010 8:50:20 GMT
Would of been 313 204 (formerly 313 104), 313 205 would of been lurking about with it, they were the first two that left Willesden for Wolverton late last year. They left Wolverton yesterday after the other three arrived. 378 152 is leaving Derby for Ashford tonight - my my they are getting a roll on with these units! Makes a change after the Bombardiers 377/5 debacle! What you forget to mention is that the first order of 20+ 3 cars units are still on going some 8+ months behind schedule. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2010 11:57:33 GMT
Would of been 313 204 (formerly 313 104), 313 205 would of been lurking about with it, they were the first two that left Willesden for Wolverton late last year. They left Wolverton yesterday after the other three arrived. 378 152 is leaving Derby for Ashford tonight - my my they are getting a roll on with these units! Makes a change after the Bombardiers 377/5 debacle! What you forget to mention is that the first order of 20+ 3 cars units are still on going some 8+ months behind schedule. Well, yes! And of course the inevitable knock on delay to the 172s! |
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Post by andypurk on Jan 16, 2010 11:58:00 GMT
Would of been 313 204 (formerly 313 104), 313 205 would of been lurking about with it, they were the first two that left Willesden for Wolverton late last year. They left Wolverton yesterday after the other three arrived. 378 152 is leaving Derby for Ashford tonight - my my they are getting a roll on with these units! Makes a change after the Bombardiers 377/5 debacle! What you forget to mention is that the first order of 20+ 3 cars units are still on going some 8+ months behind schedule. But surely that's a consequence of the 378/1s being more or less on schedule as they are needed for the ELL opening. Does anyone actually know if the coaches for the last of the 378/0 units got diverted to 378/1 production instead? I can foresee that the last few 378/0s will never run as 3 car units, but will enter service as 4 car 378/2s on the DC lines instead. |
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Post by andypurk on Jan 16, 2010 12:00:20 GMT
What you forget to mention is that the first order of 20+ 3 cars units are still on going some 8+ months behind schedule. Well, yes! And of course the inevitable knock on delay to the 172s! I thought most of the delay to the 172s is down to the late production of the 377/5s for FCC, as this is the production line which is switching over to the 172s. |
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 16, 2010 18:38:21 GMT
I'm talking about the 378's
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Post by andypurk on Jan 16, 2010 20:53:03 GMT
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 16, 2010 22:25:37 GMT
What you forget to mention is that the first order of 20+ 3 cars units are still on going some 8+ months behind schedule. But surely that's a consequence of the 378/1s being more or less on schedule as they are needed for the ELL opening. Does anyone actually know if the coaches for the last of the 378/0 units got diverted to 378/1 production instead? I can foresee that the last few 378/0s will never run as 3 car units, but will enter service as 4 car 378/2s on the DC lines instead. Sorry andy missed this post when I replied.. Still no word on running 378's on the d.c. |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 18, 2010 22:30:58 GMT
How many 378's are now on the NLL / WLL?
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 18, 2010 23:27:07 GMT
How many 378's are now on the NLL / WLL? There are 13 class 378s available for service. As there are also 13 class 313s still in service, and six 313s are needed on the DC lines, the NLL/WLL service is probably run with 11 class 378s and five 313s, so there are two spare units of each type. |
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Post by geebeezed on Jan 19, 2010 9:13:50 GMT
Not sure wether the vehicles for the 3 car units were purloined or not, but its been causing some head scratching as to how the additional MSOs for the 378/0s are going to make their way from Derby to Ashford to be inserted... The plan is to bring them down en-masse in one train since the trailers have bar couplings and jumpers rather than Dellners. So they're going to need to jury-rig something to couple the things to the Translator vans. We're wondering if a pair of compatible DMSOs from something else are going to be borrowed to top & tail the trailers. Or will the last 4 car 378/1 be delivered as a 12 car? It'll be soon anyway. |
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 19, 2010 16:23:31 GMT
Not soon enough ;-)
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Post by andypurk on Jan 19, 2010 19:49:53 GMT
Not sure wether the vehicles for the 3 car units were purloined or not, but its been causing some head scratching as to how the additional MSOs for the 378/0s are going to make their way from Derby to Ashford to be inserted... The plan is to bring them down en-masse in one train since the trailers have bar couplings and jumpers rather than Dellners. So they're going to need to jury-rig something to couple the things to the Translator vans. We're wondering if a pair of compatible DMSOs from something else are going to be borrowed to top & tail the trailers. Or will the last 4 car 378/1 be delivered as a 12 car? It'll be soon anyway. Is there any reason why the 4th vehicles can't be inserted at Derby? Bring one of the 'extra' 4 car units (the 378/2s which were ordered after the original 24 3-car units) up to Willesden and take back a 3 car unit for addition of its extra car, then when this unit has been completed cycle through all the 3 car units. Remember that unit 004 was, temporarily, formed as a 4 car unit back at Derby. It was my understanding that something like this was the original plan. |
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Post by geebeezed on Jan 19, 2010 20:04:11 GMT
I think its more to do with the units can be worked down to Chart Leacon, have the vehicle inserted and be tested, renumbered and away within a few hours (theroetically). It'll work out cheaper than to haul the things back & forth (there are only two transltors now, the other set having been re-coverted to Tightlock so as the 317s can be taken to Chart Leacon for refurbishment).
We figured they were going to road the MSOs down, but since the rebuilding of Chart Leacon depot they've no lorry-to-rail transfer any more. So rail it is... Somehow!
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Post by patstonuk on Jan 21, 2010 20:25:02 GMT
Another one on its way to Willesden for Dazz and his colleagues to play with. 378003 has left Derby.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2010 22:29:44 GMT
Another one on its way to Willesden for Dazz and his colleagues to play with. 378003 has left Derby. Ah the very first class 378 i saw and had my piccy taken next to, is about to enter service some 14 months after i first saw it. |
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 22, 2010 13:25:46 GMT
LOL that's what I was thinking Keith.. 378003 was on the electric tesbed at Derby when I went up in October 2008 .... Must have been pushed to the back of the sidings..
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 22, 2010 15:01:52 GMT
Another one on its way to Willesden for Dazz and his colleagues to play with. 378003 has left Derby. This means that apart from the three units used for testing, all units up to 378018 have been delivered. I remember someone saying that 378022 had been seen at Derby. That suggests that the last 378/0s have been built, and not had their cars used for the 378/1s, but no units numbered above 018 have been delivered to Willesden. Could some of them have been used as 378/1s, or have Bombarder delivered the lower numbered units recently instead of 019 - 024 so units like 003 don't sit in sidings at Derby too long (I read that there can be problems with trains that have been stored for a while)? |
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Post by dazz285 on Jan 27, 2010 15:41:35 GMT
378151 is at Willesden Tmd at the mo !!
Off topic so is 313204 & 313205 in southern Colours.
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Post by andypurk on Feb 3, 2010 13:47:48 GMT
378 019 has been at Willesden since at least yesterday.
Off topic, 313 202 was also there.
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