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Post by dazz285 on Nov 29, 2009 14:20:29 GMT
I think you'll find that if a 378 was on the D.C. at 02.35am then if it was on Friday then it was carrying out D.C. testing.. Normally what happens is, if nothing goes wrong, Mon to Fri week 1 mainline mileage then week 2 Mon to Thurs mainline mileage and if all 2000 miles have been completed then a run on the D.C. is carried out on the Friday. This is not always the case though....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 21:31:00 GMT
Do these trains have in cab CCTV platform monitors like all new LU stock? Yes but not 'track to train', its external CCTV cameras, like the southern trains that run on the WLL Fraid you lost me there HB. Living in Essex I don't what Southern trains have. I'm guessing you mean external cameras on the train beamed to the cab CCTV? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 22:12:08 GMT
The one I saw was definately southbound and definately Saturday morning.
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 30, 2009 7:35:26 GMT
Probably just an empty stock move then. 378's haven't been passed for serviceable work on the D.C. yet only empty stock moves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 8:56:18 GMT
There was one sat at Watford Junction too. Would I be correct in thinking that the 313s are currently the oldest passenger stock (LT and IoW excluded of course) running on the national network?
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Post by Oracle on Nov 30, 2009 9:47:53 GMT
The 3-CIGs are just about with us. I query whether the 508 and 509s were built before the 313s? All were of course based on the original PEP units.
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Post by happybunny on Nov 30, 2009 11:32:32 GMT
Yes but not 'track to train', its external CCTV cameras, like the southern trains that run on the WLL Fraid you lost me there HB. Living in Essex I don't what Southern trains have. I'm guessing you mean external cameras on the train beamed to the cab CCTV? Yeah that is it exactly. I only used Southern as the example as they run all other services on the WLL. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 15:18:57 GMT
There was one sat at Watford Junction too. Would I be correct in thinking that the 313s are currently the oldest passenger stock (LT and IoW excluded of course) running on the national network? The first Western Region HSTs were delivered at the same time as the Class 313s, so I reckon they're just about equal. 313 was the first production design of the PEP stock, with 507/8/314 following on. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 30, 2009 21:13:14 GMT
Would I be correct in thinking that the 313s are currently the oldest passenger stock (LT and IoW excluded of course) running on the national network? The first Western Region HSTs were delivered at the same time as the Class 313s, so I reckon they're just about equal. 313 was the first production design of the PEP stock, with 507/8/314 following on. There is older stock than that - there are MkIIs working peak hour services on the Fife Circle (with Class 67s) and Arriva's WAG (Welsh Assembly Government) north-south express (with 57s). There are a couple of 4CIGs on the Lymington branch. But to find the oldest of all, carry on along the Metropolitan Railway beyond Amersham to Aylsebury, where you will find a 1960-vintage Class 121 "Bubble Car" working the Princes Risborough shuttle. Another example works the Cardiff Bay shuttle. These may just pip the A-stock to the title of the oldest passenger rolling stock in main line use on the British mainland. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 16:49:43 GMT
Thought I'd give this thread an update
Since the last mention of them three more 378s have been delivered to Ashford for Commissioning
378145 (24/11)
378146 (27/11)
378147 (2/12)
Also I believe two more 313s have left Willsden and made it down to Southern
313101 & 313109 left on Friday and went to Stewarts Lane
That should be 6 Southern now have
01, 02, 08 & 09 at Stewarts Lane
04 & 05 at Wolverton
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 7, 2009 21:45:11 GMT
If two more 313s have gone, are 378011 and 378012 about to enter service? Have any more 378/1s been moved from Ashford to New Cross Gate?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 22:14:06 GMT
If two more 313s have gone, are 378011 and 378012 about to enter service? Have any more 378/1s been moved from Ashford to New Cross Gate? Was at New Cross Gate this afternoon and informed of 2 expected deliveries from Ashford tonight, although it might be the one comprised of 2 x 378's coupled together. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 22:34:34 GMT
If two more 313s have gone, are 378011 and 378012 about to enter service? Have any more 378/1s been moved from Ashford to New Cross Gate? For the record 378011 has been in service since November (I first had it on the 19th). Haven't seen 012 yet. Martin |
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Post by patstonuk on Dec 9, 2009 18:41:21 GMT
378148 should be on its way from Derby this evening - presumably Ashford - bound as usual.
Is anyone able to confirm which two were moved from Ashford to New Cross Gate this week?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 22:47:39 GMT
Hi all,
If anyone is interested, a new 378 (apparently 009) was delivered at Willesden this morning by a DRS 66.
Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 0:25:36 GMT
Hi all, If anyone is interested, a new 378 (apparently 009) was delivered at Willesden this morning by a DRS 66. Cheers Martin ex DRS, now GBRf! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 21:42:28 GMT
Hi all, If anyone is interested, a new 378 (apparently 009) was delivered at Willesden this morning by a DRS 66. Cheers Martin ex DRS, now GBRf! Yes it was 66402 - oops!...sorry.  |
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Post by geebeezed on Dec 18, 2009 19:54:28 GMT
Sure it was 402? Far as I was aware only 66729-731 can do the 378 moves, they've had the main res pressure temporarily raised to work with the units & translators... Which isn't to say they haven't done the deed on 402 as well.... No-one tells me anything!  Dropping a new 'un off at Chart Leacon in a bit as well... Allegedly on time, but we'll see! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 23:06:57 GMT
Sure it was 402? Far as I was aware only 66729-731 can do the 378 moves, they've had the main res pressure temporarily raised to work with the units & translators... Which isn't to say they haven't done the deed on 402 as well.... No-one tells me anything! Dropping a new 'un off at Chart Leacon in a bit as well... Allegedly on time, but we'll see! According to another forum, 66402 was seen at Derby on 5X78 at 2203 on 15th December hauling 378009 (between barrier vehicles 6379 and 6378). I saw the above combination reversing into Willesden TMD at approx. 0830 on the 16th. Didn't actually see loco/unit ID's I just assumed the gen to be correct. It was also recorded heading through Tring at 1410 with the 2x barrier vehicles. Hope this clarifies the situation. Regards Martin |
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Post by geebeezed on Dec 19, 2009 4:24:51 GMT
No, I stand duly corrected, just dropped 378149 off at Chart Leacon with that very engine! There must be some kind of Skullduggery going on behind the scenes since those ex DRS/Advenza machines were supposed to be on 'as required' hire...  |
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Post by mcmaddog on Dec 22, 2009 8:55:00 GMT
Saw 378145/146 on what appeared to be a delivery run in the company of an exDRS Class 66 and a Porterbrook barrier wagon parked in Platform 13 at London Bridge - all powered down. 378137 was moving about the yard at New Cross Gate and 378143 had dissappeared from its long time stabled area at the depot.
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 22, 2009 11:47:32 GMT
Saw 378145/146 on what appeared to be a delivery run in the company of an exDRS Class 66 and a Porterbrook barrier wagon parked in Platform 13 at London Bridge - all powered down. 378137 was moving about the yard at New Cross Gate and 378143 had dissappeared from its long time stabled area at the depot. 378145 and 146 must have been moved from Ashford to New Cross Gate. I didn't know that 378143 was already there. As the 378/1s have mostly been delivered in order, are 378139/141/142/144 at New Cross Gate yet? |
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Post by geebeezed on Dec 22, 2009 12:29:06 GMT
Yep, delivered 145/146 last night, got another move to come up tonight (22nd) which may well be 141 and/or 149, and another from Derby to Chart Leacon on Wednesday, which may well be 378150... This is assuming they run of course... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 18:14:44 GMT
Saw 378145/146 on what appeared to be a delivery run in the company of an exDRS Class 66 and a Porterbrook barrier wagon parked in Platform 13 at London Bridge - all powered down. 378137 was moving about the yard at New Cross Gate and 378143 had dissappeared from its long time stabled area at the depot. 378145 and 146 must have been moved from Ashford to New Cross Gate. I didn't know that 378143 was already there. As the 378/1s have mostly been delivered in order, are 378139/141/142/144 at New Cross Gate yet? Have been testing trains on the ELL for the past 2 months now and can confirm that units 378136/137/138/139/140/142/143 and 144 are all at NXG. Did see 378145/146 at London Bridge on my way into NXG this morning, was informed they will be taken up to Selhurst Depot as they are taking up platform space at LB and will be delivered tonight hopefully. 378141 won't be delivered for a while due to it being involved in an incident whilst accumulating mileage. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2009 20:44:01 GMT
Are there any up to date pictures of 378s at NXG depot or station?
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Post by geebeezed on Dec 23, 2009 3:41:16 GMT
Finally got 145 & 146 to New Cross, an electrical fault on 145 caused their stranding at London Bridge with no brake continuity... They actually ended up at Tonbridge for a few hours & went back up this evening! I'll post some pics of their stop in Tonbridge yard on my Flickr page when its not 3am! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 12:02:01 GMT
Finally got 145 & 146 to New Cross, an electrical fault on 145 caused their stranding at London Bridge with no brake continuity... They actually ended up at Tonbridge for a few hours & went back up this evening! I'll post some pics of their stop in Tonbridge yard on my Flickr page when its not 3am! Oh so that's where they ended up then! I was informed Selhurst! That's another unit the fitters at NXG are going to love dealing with then Don't think there's a unit which has been delivered fault free yet.  |
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Post by plasmid on Dec 23, 2009 16:49:33 GMT
Typical Bombardier...great trains, rubbish ECU's that are too smart for their own good.
Bombardier trains work well...that is, once the software has been modified more times than I can count.
I can't see how they've had so many failures, it's not as if the Class 378's is a specially designed train like the 09ts or the S7/S8. It's an off-the-shelf product and it should work, no excuses. But as I say, ECU's on all things that move are too smart. Cars especially.
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Post by patstonuk on Dec 23, 2009 18:19:48 GMT
Another one for the ELL is on its way to Ashford tonight - 378150 should be leaving Derby shortly. By my reckoning that just leaves 5 ELL sets to come south - it must be getting quite cosy inside at New Cross Gate!
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Post by patstonuk on Dec 23, 2009 19:54:54 GMT
Sorry to ask a question rather than provide information but I have a mate who is keeping a record of when units are delivered/enter public service. He can cope with the delivery dates to Willesden and Ashford, but the transfers from Ashford to New Cross Gate are shrouded in mystery a lot of the time, as are the entry-to-service dates of 378011 and 378012 from Willesden.
Can anyone help with this - particularly the first service dates of 011/012 on the NLL/WLL?
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