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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2009 12:13:30 GMT
I've noticed there seems to be a sudden increase of 313s on CLJ-SFD Peaks, used to be all 378 a month ago. I've certainly noticed a number of peak-services returning to 313-operation, too. |
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Post by geebeezed on Nov 11, 2009 15:44:23 GMT
A few more pics of the units at Chart Leacon at the flickr page down at the bottom there, under the collection heading '378 moves'... With apologies for the quality of some, it was dark & obviously flashes aren't allowed where shunting is going on!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2009 21:18:25 GMT
Right, another mail from A.M of LOROL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 0:41:53 GMT
Two 378 circuits were taken out this morning when one failed at West hampstead right in the middle of the peak. I should worked one of these circuits but today the 4 different units i was scheduled to work on were all 313s.
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 12, 2009 9:27:27 GMT
Seems like cab heating is starting to cause a few problems as well ;-) ie the lack of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 18:27:54 GMT
Everytime I've seen a 378 on the Richmond branch the guard has been working the train from the rear cab. I thought they were supposed to work them from the passenger saloon?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 18:50:27 GMT
Everytime I've seen a 378 on the Richmond branch the guard has been working the train from the rear cab. I thought they were supposed to work them from the passenger saloon? What time of the day were you travelling and was it during the peak period, more importantly how busy was the train? I for one work inside the train, except when my presence affects the safe operation of the train in other words if the train is full it would be better for me to operate the train from the rear cab. |
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 13, 2009 0:31:42 GMT
378136 – 142 all delivered to Ashford, more to come as a minimum of 12 are required by new year, because of contractual obligations for the East London Line testing. Does this mean that 12 units need to be at Ashford by the end of the year, or do they need to be at New Cross Gate by then? We have a total of 16 diagrams for daily Mon – Fri workings on the NLL/WLL – circuits 40/41/43/44/45/46/47/48/49/50/51/53/54/57/58/59. Without making it a very very long email I won’t give you the workings of each!! The following are booked 378 – 40/43/47/51/53/57/58/59 – a total of 8. However they do sometimes stray from the booked circuits, which doesn’t impress our roster managers!! The DC requires 6 units, circuits 42/52/55/56 and the two old 508, now 313 circuits, 70 and 71. These will be 313 until next year due to issues which I can’t go into depth about. This means there are 22 diagrams for the NLL, WLL and DC. 24 class 378/0s were ordered, and that even if all were delivered soon, as 3-car units, there would only be two spare units if all class 313s were replaced. This does not seem to be enough spare units. Also 001 is a pre-production train, and will not be delivered to Willesden for a while (and by the time it is delivered, it might be extended to 4-car and become 378201). Does this mean some class 313s might still be in service on the DC lines when the 4-car class 378/2s start to be delivered? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 1:55:14 GMT
Everytime I've seen a 378 on the Richmond branch the guard has been working the train from the rear cab. I thought they were supposed to work them from the passenger saloon? What time of the day were you travelling and was it during the peak period, more importantly how busy was the train? I for one work inside the train, except when my presence affects the safe operation of the train in other words if the train is full it would be better for me to operate the train from the rear cab. I only do dead lates and nights so am only ever on the Richmond branch in the late evening. |
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Post by plasmid on Nov 13, 2009 11:03:09 GMT
The 378's seem to have a lot of faults going on here, are they just simply teething issues or is it an issue with the entire fleet?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 15:47:23 GMT
Seems like cab heating is starting to cause a few problems as well ;-) ie the lack of. I had one today with the new Bombardier/Argos joint mod ;D |
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 13, 2009 15:56:35 GMT
Seems like cab heating is starting to cause a few problems as well ;-) ie the lack of. I had one today with the new Bombardier/Argos joint mod ;D Can you expand on that Chris? Got any pics? |
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Post by 1938 on Nov 13, 2009 18:32:53 GMT
What time of the day were you travelling and was it during the peak period, more importantly how busy was the train? I for one work inside the train, except when my presence affects the safe operation of the train in other words if the train is full it would be better for me to operate the train from the rear cab. I only do dead lates and nights so am only ever on the Richmond branch in the late evening. According to an earlier post by routemasterkeith, the guard is only allowed to work in the rear cab during peak hours or when the train is crowded. As Jim is only ever on the Richmond branch late evenings he should not be seeing the guard in the rear cab! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 19:33:20 GMT
Diagrams from 13th December expected to be:
10-25 (16) Class 378 (NLL/WLL)
40-45 (6) Class 313 (DC)
60-63 (4) Class 150 (GOB)
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Post by andypurk on Nov 13, 2009 21:59:34 GMT
This means there are 22 diagrams for the NLL, WLL and DC. 24 class 378/0s were ordered, and that even if all were delivered soon, as 3-car units, there would only be two spare units if all class 313s were replaced. This does not seem to be enough spare units. Also 001 is a pre-production train, and will not be delivered to Willesden for a while (and by the time it is delivered, it might be extended to 4-car and become 378201). Does this mean some class 313s might still be in service on the DC lines when the 4-car class 378/2s start to be delivered? 24 class 378 units is only two less units than the combined 313/508 fleet was and the 91.7% availability this implies should easily be achievable once all the bugs are sorted out. If needs be, I'm sure the DC lines could borrow a DC only 378/1, as the whole fleet won't be needed until the Highbury extension opens in 2011. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2009 23:24:40 GMT
I had one today with the new Bombardier/Argos joint mod ;D Can you expand on that Chris? Got any pics? Although it is not the same model, it is something like this |
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 14, 2009 9:14:40 GMT
Cheers Chris
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Post by patstonuk on Nov 14, 2009 11:38:57 GMT
378004 hauled south from Derby again yesterday evening with informed speculation (jka Yahoo gen groups) that it may have gone to Shoeburyness again. I am attempting to ascertain from a source at Derby (not with Bombardier) whether it travelled as a 4-car unit. Any ideas anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 19:20:04 GMT
378004 hauled south from Derby again yesterday evening with informed speculation (jka Yahoo gen groups) that it may have gone to Shoeburyness again. I am attempting to ascertain from a source at Derby (not with Bombardier) whether it travelled as a 4-car unit. Any ideas anyone? Yes 4 car and to Shoeburyness............again |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 20:11:50 GMT
Is it only air conditioning tests that are being done at Shoeburyness, or are there other tests done there? If there are, what are they?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 15:50:04 GMT
Hooray! Both trains on the WLL today were 378s! Not only that, but there were two LO services (as well as the Southern service) running - instead of the single LO shuttle we usualy get on Sundays. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 14:31:32 GMT
i saw 66729 take #1 to Derby on a New X Depot-Acton-Derby LL at South Kenton at 11:40'ish
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Post by patstonuk on Nov 17, 2009 19:44:19 GMT
378143 reported on its way south from Derby this evening. From an outsider's viewpoint, and in the absence of any negative news, it appears that the build-up of rolling stock for the ELL is proceeding nicely.
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 18, 2009 22:40:58 GMT
Does anyone know why 378007 was at Watford Junction this afternoon? I know that they are sometimes stabled there on weekends, but I've never seen a 378 at Watford on a weekday before.
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Post by dazz285 on Nov 19, 2009 4:00:45 GMT
Testing the D.O.O. equipment...
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Post by patstonuk on Nov 19, 2009 19:21:29 GMT
378144 on its way from Derby this evening
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 15:31:24 GMT
Testing the D.O.O. equipment... Do these trains have in cab CCTV platform monitors like all new LU stock? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 22:21:35 GMT
There was a 378 heading south on the DC lines from Harrow this morning at about 2.35am. I was heading the other way with 4M13. It's the first train I've ever seen on the DC lines at this ungodly hour!
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Post by happybunny on Nov 29, 2009 5:00:09 GMT
Testing the D.O.O. equipment... Do these trains have in cab CCTV platform monitors like all new LU stock? Yes but not 'track to train', its external CCTV cameras, like the southern trains that run on the WLL |
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Post by andypurk on Nov 29, 2009 10:46:07 GMT
There was a 378 heading south on the DC lines from Harrow this morning at about 2.35am. I was heading the other way with 4M13. It's the first train I've ever seen on the DC lines at this ungodly hour! Slightly off-topic for the thread but... There are two late night / early morning LO services on Sunday mornings, the diagram is 00.22 and 02.00 from Euston and 01.07 from Watford Junction. The last of these should be at Harrow at 02.27 which is pretty much the same time!! The services used to run mainline but changed to DC lines during the WCML rebuild, I believe that they run on behalf of London Midland. They only officially call at Wembley Central and Harrow & Wealdstone en route. |
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