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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2009 9:13:00 GMT
More reports now quoting 378001 - how about this one, having presumably completed its test and mileage accumulation running on its previous stay, now being the unit for testing and commissioning the ELL? If this did happen, does anyone know how it got to New Cross Gate (depot?)? Would it have got on the ELL from the north or from the south - fairly certain it wouldn't have been via platform one at NXG. TIA Simon It was routed via London Bridge and New Cross Gate. I don't know which platform tho. The loco ran around the unit in London Bridge. |
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Post by 21146 on Sept 6, 2009 13:17:04 GMT
What is the current ratio of 313s/378s on the NLL/WLL now?
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Post by patstonuk on Sept 7, 2009 17:27:13 GMT
I cannot vouch for the authenticity of this information posted on se-gen
378001 is at New Cross for testing of the Depot Structure.
378004 as a 4 car unit will be delivered to Shoeburyness on 11th Sep for air
conditioning tests.
378137 to Ashford Chart Leacon on 17th Sep for commissioning.
Thanks to Andy Mercer for inside Gen
It looks pretty sensible given a few presumptions:
1.378004 aircon testing to 'prove' the system in 4-car configuration.
2. 378137 direct to Ashford as this series is not ac equipped so all testing will take place on the 3rd rail. As it appears there is insufficient room at WN to accommodate yet more units until at least some 313s disappear then as dc-only sets are accepted they could be rotated out of warm store at Ashford on Watford DC Lines services until NXG and the ELL are up to speed.
I stress these points are speculation on my part - and I'll probably be proved entirely wrong!
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Post by patstonuk on Sept 8, 2009 16:17:08 GMT
378010 on its way from Derby now. Reported heading for WN. I am visiting the NLL tomorrow so will be interesting to see just what is going on as there's an awful lot of new kit at WN if it's still only 3 in traffic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2009 21:11:14 GMT
Today I was on 005 on the 17:30 from Clapham Junction. It arrived at 17:30, disgorged a very full load, and started back 4 mins later. The AV information announced "next station Kensington Olympia" all the way to West Brompton. It then changed to "next station West Brompton" all the way to Olympia! Then was switched off. On again just before Shepherd's Bush, with correct announcements therefrom. Great for the uninitiated! Imperial Wharf btw looked complete, but I reckon they'll have problems absorbing the extra loads until longer and more trains arrive.
Otherwise, the 378s are brilliant although I agree with an earlier view that the seats are hard - even compared with Enviros (one of which I caught immediately afterwards). The ones on the S stock better have more padding, or the Metrolanders will be up in arms! (Or maybe this is so those who can no longer get one of the precious seats won't feel so hard done by.)
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Post by andypurk on Sept 8, 2009 22:19:12 GMT
Today I was on 005 on the 17:30 from Clapham Junction. It arrived at 17:30, disgorged a very full load, and started back 4 mins later. The AV information announced "next station Kensington Olympia" all the way to West Brompton. It then changed to "next station West Brompton" all the way to Olympia! This seems to a bit of a problem with the Bombardier units on the West London Line. I was on a 377 today and it displayed next station Wembley Central all the way from Harrow to Shepherd's Bush, having stopped at Wembley Central on time!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2009 18:24:55 GMT
Today I was on 005 on the 17:30 from Clapham Junction. It arrived at 17:30, disgorged a very full load, and started back 4 mins later. The AV information announced "next station Kensington Olympia" all the way to West Brompton. It then changed to "next station West Brompton" all the way to Olympia! This seems to a bit of a problem with the Bombardier units on the West London Line. I was on a 377 today and it displayed next station Wembley Central all the way from Harrow to Shepherd's Bush, having stopped at Wembley Central on time!! The first time I travelled on a 378 from Clapham Junction, it simply deactivated the onbord displays and announcments (although they'd worked OK on the way down). Does something "upset" the system when it travells back up the WLL from Clapham?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2009 20:42:08 GMT
013 was on the 17:30 CLJ-SFD today, it was running a bit late on the inward working to CLJ
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Post by andypurk on Sept 9, 2009 21:33:13 GMT
This seems to a bit of a problem with the Bombardier units on the West London Line. I was on a 377 today and it displayed next station Wembley Central all the way from Harrow to Shepherd's Bush, having stopped at Wembley Central on time!! The first time I travelled on a 378 from Clapham Junction, it simply deactivated the onbord displays and announcments (although they'd worked OK on the way down). Does something "upset" the system when it travells back up the WLL from Clapham? The information system (on the 377s anyway, not had a ride on a WLL 378) often takes a while to reset after the the voltage changeover at North Pole Junction. |
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Post by patstonuk on Sept 10, 2009 15:07:29 GMT
Made it to Willesden yesterday in the late morning so I can report belatedly on what I found. It appeared that 4 378s were in service on the NLL - 378007/008/013/015. Scattered around Willesden Depot were 378010/014/016/017/018. There was no indication of any in service on the WLL and 378005 was not seen.
Those on the depot seemed to have plenty of staff on and around them - not least evident from the way the head/tail lamps were flashing on and off!
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Post by 21146 on Sept 10, 2009 16:20:44 GMT
There was one on WLL yesterday.
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Post by andypurk on Sept 10, 2009 17:57:32 GMT
Made it to Willesden yesterday in the late morning so I can report belatedly on what I found. It appeared that 4 378s were in service on the NLL - 378007/008/013/015. Scattered around Willesden Depot were 378010/014/016/017/018. There was no indication of any in service on the WLL and 378005 was not seen. Those on the depot seemed to have plenty of staff on and around them - not least evident from the way the head/tail lamps were flashing on and off! I saw (from the mainline) 378 005 on the westbound platform at Willesden Junction High Level at about 17.50 last night. |
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Post by patstonuk on Sept 11, 2009 17:25:11 GMT
378004 confirmed as a 4-car and leaving Derby a short while ago - pathe booked to Shoeburyness as reported elsewhere earlier
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Post by astock5000 on Sept 11, 2009 18:46:34 GMT
378004 confirmed as a 4-car and leaving Derby a short while ago - pathe booked to Shoeburyness as reported elsewhere earlier If it is now 4-car, shouldn't it have been renumbered to 378 204? |
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Post by patstonuk on Sept 11, 2009 19:09:02 GMT
378004 confirmed as a 4-car and leaving Derby a short while ago - pathe booked to Shoeburyness as reported elsewhere earlier If it is now 4-car, shouldn't it have been renumbered to 378 204? I gather the additional vehicle (MSO) is unnumbered so perhaps its status as a four car unit is temporary, for testing purposes. You are right though, when it is properly made up to 4 cars it should be renumbered to 378204. Are LO ready for 4 cars anywhere? Not from what I've seen with platform signs re stop positions! |
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Post by andypurk on Sept 11, 2009 21:46:58 GMT
If it is now 4-car, shouldn't it have been renumbered to 378 204? I gather the additional vehicle (MSO) is unnumbered so perhaps its status as a four car unit is temporary, for testing purposes. You are right though, when it is properly made up to 4 cars it should be renumbered to 378204. Are LO ready for 4 cars anywhere? Not from what I've seen with platform signs re stop positions! On the West London line, at least Shepherd's Bush has signs for 4 car 378 stop positions. Don't know if the other stations have them though and Willesden Junction would still need work. Of course, all the WLL stations already had 4 car markers for the Southern service (including Clapham Junction platform 2), although some of the Shepherd's Bush positions are different for the 378s. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 13:06:36 GMT
The first time I travelled on a 378 from Clapham Junction, it simply deactivated the onbord displays and announcments (although they'd worked OK on the way down). Does something "upset" the system when it travells back up the WLL from Clapham? The information system (on the 377s anyway, not had a ride on a WLL 378) often takes a while to reset after the the voltage changeover at North Pole Junction. Yes, I've noticed that too. I hope they get it sorted out on the WLL soon. In fact, why do I get the odd feeling that the WLL will be the last part of the LO network to go fully 378 and cling on to the last of their 313s for longest? |
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 12, 2009 15:19:43 GMT
More likely to be the D.C. to be the last..
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Post by andypurk on Sept 12, 2009 18:55:19 GMT
The information system (on the 377s anyway, not had a ride on a WLL 378) often takes a while to reset after the the voltage changeover at North Pole Junction. Yes, I've noticed that too. I hope they get it sorted out on the WLL soon. In fact, why do I get the odd feeling that the WLL will be the last part of the LO network to go fully 378 and cling on to the last of their 313s for longest? Personally I reckon that the WLL will be the first to go completely, as the people eating capacity of the 378s is needed at Shepherd's Bush and any problem units will be close to Willesden for a rescue. The problems on the PIS have never been sorted out on the 377s, and I see no reason why they'll be a show-stopper on the 378s. I also reckon that the Euston - Watford DC line is likely to be the last route to be changed over. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 20:07:32 GMT
I saw my first real-time 378 yesterday crossing over the A102 whilst driving north from the Blackwall Tunnel. Very smart. They do look a lot better than the 313s which I've never liked the appearance of, regardless of livery.
Not had much time to get on a train recently but I think I'll make the effort to try one out soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2009 20:40:08 GMT
I gather the additional vehicle (MSO) is unnumbered so perhaps its status as a four car unit is temporary, for testing purposes. You are right though, when it is properly made up to 4 cars it should be renumbered to 378204. Are LO ready for 4 cars anywhere? Not from what I've seen with platform signs re stop positions! On the West London line, at least Shepherd's Bush has signs for 4 car 378 stop positions. Don't know if the other stations have them though and Willesden Junction would still need work. Of course, all the WLL stations already had 4 car markers for the Southern service (including Clapham Junction platform 2), although some of the Shepherd's Bush positions are different for the 378s. IW,WB and KO have 4 car 378 markers #8 was on the WLL shuttle today, eventually it got taken over by a 313 in the evening |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 11:43:29 GMT
Yes, I've noticed that too. I hope they get it sorted out on the WLL soon. In fact, why do I get the odd feeling that the WLL will be the last part of the LO network to go fully 378 and cling on to the last of their 313s for longest? Personally I reckon that the WLL will be the first to go completely, as the people eating capacity of the 378s is needed at Shepherd's Bush and any problem units will be close to Willesden for a rescue. It just strikes me as odd that there are still any 313s on the WLL at all given that - outside the peaks - there's only two units running up and down the entirety of this short line anyway. Why not just stick a pair of 378s on and leave it at that? |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 13, 2009 12:57:13 GMT
Have all the crews been trained on 378s yet?
If the 378 breaks down, the 313 is more likely to be able to continue running than another 378 (at the moment, not long term of course)
Is the second 378 unit needed on the North London Line?
Having one unit of each gives the opportunity for passengers to (intentionally or otherwise) catch different types of train on each leg of their journey allowing an easier comparison.
There are probably other reasons I've not thought of as well.
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Post by andypurk on Sept 13, 2009 17:17:56 GMT
As a bit of an aside, there doesn't seem to be a particular shortage of space at Willesden depot, as the rake of eight Mk 3 coaches which Virgin had on hire until earlier this year was stabled on one of the outside roads this afternoon, with a class 378 unit at the southern end. The depot was pretty packed aside from this, with none of the LO routes running a complete service today, but it looked like a couple more units could still have been squeezed in ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 20:04:25 GMT
A bit of patience required here I think. The old trains still work and will be replaced as and when. I was a bit like this when they did the Central Line train replacement years ago. I can vividly remember deliberately missing four 62TS trains at Newbury Park (much to the annoyance of my eldest daughter) in order to catch a 92TS. Now I'd give anything to ride in a 62 again. Expectation is short term. Nostalgia is forever!  |
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Post by metman on Sept 13, 2009 21:43:54 GMT
Too right, I'll be waiting for A60s soon! I'd love to ride on the 59s and 83s again, like I did as a youngster!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 19:04:21 GMT
A bit of patience required here I think. [snip] Expectation is short term. Nostalgia is forever! I take your point, but I'm not sure I'll ever look back on the 313s with much nostalgia - and I speak as someone who'se not a big fan of the 378s (for reasons I've gone into before). The 313s really do have a very shabby, clapped-out feel to them now. The start-off is terrible (spilled coffee all down my shirt thanks to that), the wheel-flat problem is intolerable (tired of that "thud! thud! thud!" noise), they're unbearable to travel on in hot weather and it really is time for them to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 19:06:27 GMT
Too right, I'll be waiting for A60s soon! I'd love to ride on the 59s and 83s again, like I did as a youngster! I'll readilly agree with you, there. I can't see the 313s in the same league, however. |
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Post by astock5000 on Sept 14, 2009 21:01:53 GMT
It appeared that 4 378s were in service on the NLL - 378007/008/013/015. So at least 6 class 378s are now in service (005, 007, 008, 013, 015 and 016). Are any other units now in service or have nearly finished testing? |
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Post by jakehn54 on Sept 14, 2009 21:32:34 GMT
If enough 378's hadnt been built by June 2010, would we see class 313 units on the ELL? I know the original plan was to refurbish class 319 units and use them, but i assume there are none spare of them.
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