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Post by antharro on Sept 19, 2014 1:29:19 GMT
I noticed today that there's an S7 stopping board at the Heathrow end of one of the South Ealing platforms. Is this for reversing in emergency situations?
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Post by antharro on Sept 19, 2014 1:21:49 GMT
As I sat on an 09 stock train earlier today, I found myself wondering how much it would cost to retrofit a 67ts with the necessary equipment to allow it to run on the Victoria Line as it is now. Anyone have any ideas?
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Post by antharro on Jul 20, 2014 0:51:49 GMT
I read about this elsewhere. It does seem like a crazy idea. In a fantasy world, it would be interesting to do and as long as the bodies are in good condition could make for a novel re-use of old trains. But the costs of conversion vs. new build would have to be taken into consideration, as would costs of making them properly DDA compliant, etc, etc.
Would be neat to see tho.
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Post by antharro on Jul 2, 2014 19:22:52 GMT
I'm pretty sure I heard on the tour that of the four cars at the museum depot, one is being stripped and will be donated to a London school. The others are for parts for the Q stock - traction equipment, etc. They'll be scrapped once the required parts have been removed. The museum will be receiving a single DM for their collection; I believe that will be taken from the tour train.
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Post by antharro on Jun 29, 2014 7:36:13 GMT
If anyone is going to be taking photos of this train at or around Paddington, I would very much appreciate a picture of the C and an HST in the same shot!
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Post by antharro on Jun 12, 2014 16:13:13 GMT
I've moved the off-topic posts to a new thread in Signalling and Track, titled "Signalling and EU Procurement rules". It's possible that thread may be split further depending on how it develops. Let's please try to keep this thread on-topic!
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Post by antharro on Jun 9, 2014 23:34:33 GMT
Pictures would be good, especially of 96ts at Charing Cross in the early days of the stock / last days of the Jubilee service to those platforms.
Was there ever a time when both the extension and Charing Cross were served from Stanmore, or was it one day Stanmore/CX and Stratford-Waterloo, and the next day Stanmore/Stratford?
sunking800, I've PM'd you with a couple of links that may be useful.
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Post by antharro on Jun 8, 2014 10:47:06 GMT
Would it be possible to run a 5 car C-stock as two powered pairs with a single car on the back - unpowered? Obviously it wouldn't be allowed to run in passenger service but as a scrap move?
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 12:24:09 GMT
malcolmffc, I'm not entirely sure I understand you there. In the post you quoted, I was saying that I thought it made sense to take the train out of service today so it could run the tour. Which you seem to be agreeing with, so I don't see how I'm being selfish? For info, I will be on the tour, so I am one of the people who have paid a lot of money.
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 10:16:37 GMT
5733 and 5516 are now at Neasden depot sidings, visible from passing trains. And that's quite enough train chasing for now!
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 9:26:58 GMT
5733 rolled through Edgware Road at 9:59 on a scrap run. So no help there.
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 9:16:22 GMT
Not smaller mileage limits. As I understand it, each train has a prescribed amount of mileage it can run until it has to return to depot for maintenance. This particular C stock must have been close to its mileage, so the powers that be decided to pull it out of service now so it had enough mileage left for the tour, rather than risk the tour. Maintenance can be expensive and there's no point maintaining a train that's going to be scrapped.
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 8:51:21 GMT
antje, I think that's a little unfair. If it was a choice between taking it out of service today and having enough mileage left on it to run the tour then I'd rather that than have the tour amended or cancelled. Perhaps poor planning on TfL's part in not making sure the train had enough mileage left, but then it was never advertised to the public as a special train so they can change it as / when they feel necessary.
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 8:48:11 GMT
I would guess that that's it. An S stock left Edgware Road going to Wimbledon. I didn't note the train number but I assume it was 074 as it left at the same time as 074 was booked to depart.
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 8:44:09 GMT
Change of plans. Due to mileage restrictions the train has now been taken out of service. Apparently this is the train that will be used for the tour.
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Post by antharro on Jun 3, 2014 8:22:23 GMT
I'm on it right now. Just at West Brompton. Hoping it doesn't get taken out of service early as it took me an hour to get to Wimbledon this morning (usually 25 mins) thanks to the rush hour traffic!
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Post by antharro on May 31, 2014 19:59:34 GMT
There are toilets at the shopping centre at Hammersmith. Expensive and dirty, last time I was there but only a one minute walk from the ticket barriers.
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Post by antharro on May 29, 2014 22:32:27 GMT
Probably not much use to anyone here, but just in case, there was a C-stock at Wimbledon at about 1945. I didn't get a number due to the SWT 455 passing in the opposite direction. There was also one D stock trundling along to Wimbledon Park and two Ds in the platforms at Wimbledon.
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Post by antharro on May 11, 2014 13:23:08 GMT
londonstuff - I can see how that could have caused the problems. And a push-out in the rain must have been a tedious and not very successful venture! wonderwaller - The fact that those trains do run down to Morden to stable is, living in Tooting, one that I am very grateful for when coming back from town. I was just wondering if, in an effort to try and get trains moving as much as possible, some trains were detrained early (Kennington, Tooting Broadway) and sent back up the northbound out of service simply to get them out of the way and allow more southbound trains to be on the move. I guess this didn't happen as it would cause work for the depot staff; they'd have trains in the wrong roads and would have to spend time sorting that out, and there would also be drivers over their hours.
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Post by antharro on May 10, 2014 15:25:30 GMT
This... How cynical and how typical of the UK today! If it moves tax it, if it doesn't move tax it, what the hell just tax it. This... Of course as in all things today in modern rip-off Britain it is all about profit. Pollution and congestion are just two of several convenient arguments for squeezing more money out of people one way or another. And this... Of course the real issue is that there are simply too many people residing in the UK, too many car owners, too many travellers, poorly maintained roads etc etc an infrastructure busting at the seams for at least the last couple of decades and no hope whatever of positive action to redress the balance as the politicians are more interested in popularity than competent management of the country. ...are quotes that I agree with. I'm afraid I disagree with most of the rest of your post tho, railtechnician. I actually enjoy driving up from the south coast to Heathrow when I'm picking up relatives or friends, or dropping them off. I don't even mind paying the somewhat extortionate parking charges Heathrow charge in their short stay car parks. When I fly, then I do tend to take a coach if I'm starting out from the coast, or train/tube if I'm starting out from London. There's no point driving in that scenario. It is also convenient for a couple of reasons - environmentally, it's a waste for me to drive up by myself and pay long term parking, and logistically, if the person I'm flying with is starting out from somewhere else; we just meet at up at Heathrow. Being somewhat cynical, I suspect this charge will go ahead anyway, probably in line with an increase in the parking prices in the short term car parks. Whether this puts off the drivers will depend on how steep the charge is. I think this also has the potential to backfire. If they set the charge too high, then they'll lose out on revenue from parking which I would guess is not an insignificant amount. Whether it will happen or not... I don't know. I slightly lean towards Heathrow getting an additional runway over other airports, but I don't feel that it's a huge priority for the country at this time. I could well be wrong though! I read on a forum somewhere that someone had proposed linking Gatwick and Heathrow together with a high speed rail link, which seems like a good idea. I wish Heathrow would re-open the viewing deck they used to have. I'd pay to use it.
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Post by antharro on May 10, 2014 15:14:11 GMT
I went to a gig last night in Camden and got the tube back to Tooting Broadway, leaving Camden at at about midnight. It was a Morden via Charing Cross service. The journey went fine until we got to Kennington, where there was the obligatory few minutes wait. On departure, the train crawled into the tunnel at just a couple of mph. There was a small speed increase but we never got up to line speed and eventually stopped for several minutes.
The train op made a PA telling us there were signal issues at Morden which were causing problems back to Kennington. We waited there for some time and from time to time I could hear other trains in the tunnel (presumably northbound trains leaving Oval ahead). When we finally got moving again, it turned out we were only about a train length out of Oval's platforms. The train op made another announcement telling us we would not be moving from this platform until a platform at Stockwell was available. This was now due to both a signal and systems failure at Morden. We sat there for some time and finally moved on. Sitting at Stockwell, she told us that trains were now backing up to Euston. This was a particularly long wait, but just as she had finished her second announcement, she obviously got a green signal (or whatever the equivalent of that is now on the Northern) and made a third "actually, we're moving now, so get back on the train!" announcement which lightened the mood and made a few people laugh.
We passed through Clapham South and Balham pretty quickly with barely a wait, then sat at Tooting Bec for a while. Finally the powers that be decided to terminate the train there (presumably so it could sit in the tunnel ahead and let another train sit at the platform) and we were asked to leave the train.
The train op's announcements were excellent and she kept us up to date regularly, even when there was no further information. I saw her on the platform and thanked her.
So I was wondering what the cause of the problem was. The train op told us it was a signal and systems failure at Morden. I'm also wondering what measures were used to try and keep the service running - were any trains terminated at Tooting Broadway and sent back up north to try and keep trains moving southbound? And further north, were any Morden trains terminated at Kennington?
The only sour note was that despite all this, the offical TfL line was that there were "minor" delays between Kennington and Morden. I don't consider a five-ten minute wait at each platform to be a "minor" delay, and I don't consider having a train terminated early to be "minor" delay, but that's what was showing on the TfL service status page, which I was checking at each station and when queueing for a bus. I eventually got home - waited for the N155 bus which didn't let anyone on as it was full (presumably it had picked up passengers from other terminated trains further up the line), so I got a taxi instead.
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Post by antharro on Apr 14, 2014 19:44:12 GMT
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the 92s were quite technologically advanced for their time, but that this came at the cost of build quality. There simply wasn't enough money available to have both good build quality and advanced technology. That said, I do quite like them.
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Post by antharro on Feb 5, 2014 23:51:38 GMT
Excellent news... well, not that they're going, but that there will be two decent tours. Hopefully I'll get on both of them!
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Post by antharro on Jan 28, 2014 0:50:59 GMT
I was on an HST into Paddington on Sunday evening, where I changed to the H&C to get to Moorgate and the Northern Line. While I was expecting to see fewer Cs, I hadn't quite realized just how quickly they had been disappearing. S stocks all over the place, I think I only saw a couple of Cs. I must admit that the S stocks do look quite modern, and I like the big DMI on the front. I find the seats to be much more comfortable than the '09s on the Vic, or the new seats on the Jubilee/Northern. But I also do like the Cs and will be sad to see them go. To agree with some of you, there's not much special about them, and they may not be the most reliable, but they've been around a while and are part of the "tube scenery". I do enjoy them at speed, too, and all the associated noises, the ride quality, etc!
As a farewell, it would be nice to see one thrashing up the Met mainline line like the last A-stock did - after all, they have been known to venture up that way in the past! :-) Hopefully there will be some kind of send-off.
(I also refer to a certain service as the Wimbleware... sorry! ;-) )
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Post by antharro on Jan 24, 2014 1:37:28 GMT
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Post by antharro on Jan 10, 2014 0:03:34 GMT
Also on the Telegraph here.
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Post by antharro on Jan 6, 2014 23:34:26 GMT
Moderator comment: I've moved most of the posts relating to the 92ts refurbishment to a new thread in the Central Line board. You can find it here. Further discussion of the 92ts refurbishment is welcome in the new thread!
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Post by antharro on Jan 6, 2014 0:39:12 GMT
*puts moderator hat on* Discussion of other stock should be in the appropriate area of the forum. Let's not let this thread drift too far please!
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Post by antharro on Jan 5, 2014 18:04:25 GMT
Mmm, I think that was back in 2011, and was more of a refresh than a refurb - ie, a deep clean, new seat covers, etc. Mind you, the cab ends were worked on, and the window frames too, so I guess that could be considered more of a refurb than a simple refresh.
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Post by antharro on Jan 5, 2014 17:16:59 GMT
I've managed to get the same train a couple of times on a Waterloo-Kennington and a couple of times up from Morden. The interior seems to be a lot cleaner and brighter, and looks smarter, but I am not sold on the new seats. I disliked them on the 96ts and still dislike them on the these - I find them to be nowhere near as comfortable as the previous seats, and the longer I sit on one, the more uncomfortable they become. I also agree with previous comments made about the exterior door buttons - while I appreciate it was probably cheaper and easier to blank them off as has been done, they certainly would have looked smarter if they were removed and the hole plated over so it was flush with the door skin. I'm also surprised these were done before the 92ts, but I guess there must have been reasons. (Maybe TFL are saving their money to give the 92ts a really deep refurbishment! :-D )
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