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Post by solidbond on May 10, 2005 20:48:55 GMT
Griffin teabags - remember them ;D ahh yes - only ten bags to make some flavour in the cup ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on May 10, 2005 19:14:35 GMT
Can you check that please Q8? The only reason I'm querying is because both 59s and 73s had three car units at the east end. But I thought the 73 had three car units at the west end? ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on May 10, 2005 19:24:01 GMT
That sounds as if it is exactly the same as the LU alcohol limits, and the D&A procedure seems to be the same as well!
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Post by solidbond on May 7, 2005 18:07:21 GMT
Hence my comment about her gaining some understanding of the railway so that her suggestions are practical. It probably hasn't dawned on her that Cs and Ds are two totally different types of train. But you could really confuse her by telling her that the Edgware Road and the main service BOTH have 6 cars, so why aren't they making the main service trains longer as well
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Post by solidbond on Apr 24, 2005 23:00:55 GMT
I currently come under the Non-Railway section (although I did do Work Experience with LUL not too long ago) but I plan to join the LUL Apprenticeship in January next year. Well done - what did you do for your work experience? Was it something in the operational side?
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Post by solidbond on Apr 23, 2005 22:18:31 GMT
I think most of you know what I do! Go the wrong way? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Apr 19, 2005 21:54:54 GMT
As for numbering, daft as it may look to others, those of us in service control have got used to what we deal with. If you changed it all now, who knows what signals we may clear! Indeed - you may even end up with District trains heading for Met territory Oh - hang on - you don't need to change the numbers for that to happen do you Dave? ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Apr 9, 2005 23:25:30 GMT
My first memories of travelling by train were taking the Central Line from Hainault to Newbury Park, and back, on a Sunday, with my mum and sisters to visit my grandfather in hospital. I guess this was in the late 60's to early 70's, and I still remember that the trains had a distinct smell about them. Whether this was because they were still comparatively new at the time, or it was just the smell of the tunnels, I couldn't say, but it was something that stuck in my mind for a long time!
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Post by solidbond on Apr 22, 2005 8:07:52 GMT
But you must see his point too. 4/half hours on the circle will drive anybody doolally so again schedules office should ensure that a man does 2 round then maybe some H & C. Then perhaps 2 round the other way. The maximum that can be done is 3 complete Circles in theory. However, due to the wording of the agreement, there can be more work if it is BEFORE the 3 Circles. This is because the wording is 'After 3 Circles there must be a 10 minute break'. Thus, you cannot do 3 Circles then take the same train to Barking, but you can bring the train from Barking and then do 3 Circles . The 3 Circle agreement came about when OPO was introduced on the line, and also had an extra part whereby there could be no more than 6 Circles on a duty. When Company Plan came in in 1992, that agreement was changed, and although the 3 Circles on one train remained, the 6 Circle maximum was lost. This resulted in duties with up to 7 Circles on them, and in some cases some H&C work as well. It was made worse on some duties as there could be 7 Circles all on one side, and in some cases the split between halves of the duty was also uneven, with perhaps 2 Circles before grub, and 5 after . In about 1994, the reps at Edgware Road, of which I was one, were given the opportunity to write their own duty sheets ;D ;D. We were asked if there were any parameters that we would like to see incorporated to the sheets, and I made a suggestion which is still used today. This was to limit the number of Circles on a duty to 6, (as it was before Company Plan), but also to limit the number of Circles to a maximum of 4 on either half of the duty, and no more than 4 on one side during the course of the duty. These were duly incorporated into the sheets that Scheduling compiled and we, the reps, compiled. We were given 2 weeks to come up with the sheets. Bearing in mind that the reps were all Train Operators, with no real experience of writing duty sheets, except that I had been a roster scrutineer for a couple of years. At the end of the 2 weeks we all had a meeting to see how the sheets compared. Needless to say Schedules picked lots of holes in the sheets we had come up with, but nevertheless, had to admit to being impressed with our work (I was later told that they had only expected us to be half way through the M-F sheets - we had actually finished the M-Fs and were halfway through the Sats ;D) As a result of our success in producing a set of sheets, schedules agreed to incorporate all our suggestions in future sheets (scared that with a bit of practice we could do their job better than them, and they'd be out of work ;D) I sometimes spoke to one of the guys from schedules who told me it was a real pain doing the sheets now, as they would be left with one Circle to allocate, a duty that had time to do it, then looked again, and saw that duty had already done 4 on that side ;D ;D ;D Unlikely to happen due to lack of space That would result in 29 road becoming unusable, as it can only accommodate a C stock Hope you don't mind me butting in as well ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Apr 7, 2005 18:53:53 GMT
Well, as of a few months ago, 51RD at Upminster, where they form the new link to NR lines . Apparently they are caller 'wide to gauge' points.
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Post by solidbond on Apr 4, 2005 20:44:00 GMT
Is the Bakerloo having new trains too, since they both have (i think) 1972 stock? I know the Piccadilly refurbished theirs for making luggage easier to lug on and off for Heathrow passengers. The Bakerloo are 1972 stock, but the Victoria is 1967 stock. According to the Metronet website the Bakerloo will get new trains by 2019, which means the trains will be 47 years old!!
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Post by solidbond on Apr 1, 2005 9:35:45 GMT
I'm sure solidbond agrees with this statement - the only stupid question is the one that you don't ask! Now where did you hear that one from?
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Post by solidbond on Mar 31, 2005 10:33:18 GMT
As a little point on this, the main line rail companies take a percentage of the money they receive from the sale of Travelcards and give a percentage to LU. The percentage given to LU is dependant upon the station which sells the Travelcard. So a £1000 Travelcard sold at Upminster or Barking, will generate more money for LU than the same Travelcard sold at Fenchurch Street, Basildon etc. This caused the original winner of the LTS franchise, LTS Rail, to lose their contract, as it was discovered that they had been sending Travelcards from Fenchurch Street to sell them at Upminster, thereby reducing the amount of money they had to give to LU. This was discovered after they had been awarded the franchise, but before it had actually commenced. As a result, the franchise was re-awarded.
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Post by solidbond on Mar 28, 2005 22:35:10 GMT
Ah, that's it! Would something like this be done these days or would the service simply be suspended? As I stated above, it is being used, even as I type this on, the Jubilee Line. The determining factor these days, as with everything else, is cost. Is it cheaper to provide a bus replacement service, or put the necessary protection in place to allow Single Line Working to take place. Bearing in mind that the cost involved will also include getting Train Ops to the location of the SLW; providing Pilot Men for the trains; securing of the routes; ability to change over any defective trains, number of passengers customers using the affected section etc. When all these are taken into account, it is rare for SLW to be used
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Post by solidbond on Mar 28, 2005 22:25:52 GMT
I assume you are referring to the partial resignalling which saw the shrinking of the platform berth to 300ft, thus preventing D stock from ever returning to ERD in the normal way? Indeed it was. However, there is nothing stopping a D stock from returning to Edgware Road - but now it would have to shunt forward towards Baker Street to reverse ;D (and if anyone tells me that it can't be done that way, I will be making a complaint, cos when the resignalling details were announced, I made a point of asking how would a D stock reverse there ;D ;D)
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Post by solidbond on Mar 28, 2005 21:55:28 GMT
While the facility for Siingle Line Working still exists in the Working/Reference Manual, (Rule Book is so much easier to say ;D), as TheOneKEA says, it is rarely used to overcome short term incidents on a day-to-day basis. However, during engineering works, depending on the nature of the works, it may well be used. Indeed, it is currently being used most weekends on the Jubilee Line, between Kingsbury and Stanmore, while the engineering works take place at Wembley Park. It was also used some years ago on the District/Circle lines, between High Street Kensington and Paddington, when Edgware Road was being resignalled.
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Post by solidbond on Apr 14, 2005 9:55:02 GMT
Of course the problem would be with C stock - what colours would be used? They would need yellow pink and green - what a mess that would look. (Although undoubtedly, some consultant would be paid a small fortune to come up with a suitable scheme> ) There were rumours a few years ago about having uniforms relevant to the lines worked. For those at Edgware Road a nice pink and yellow uniform - reminiscent of Mr Blobby? ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Mar 29, 2005 17:38:00 GMT
There was a story around some years ago, when the first signalling computer was installed for the North end of the Picc, nicknamed Metal Mickey, that it had once been used to control missiles. The story goes that it only allowed the first train through, then shutdown as it thought the train was a missile, and once it had gone, there was no way was it coming back ;D ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Mar 18, 2005 11:19:06 GMT
The problem with this, is that, due to the competitive nature of the challenge, and the fact that you could end up with the world record, those who have tried, whether they succeed or not, tend to keep their route secret, to prevent others from using the same route, and possibly beating the record if they get improved connections. This is why it is generally something that is worked out by the individual, and from what I gather, sometimes takes months of planning. For the record you also have to ensure you follow the rules laid down by Guinness. Also, I'm not sure where the record stands at the moment, as it is impossible to do the WHOLE system, until Heathrow T4 re-opens
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