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Post by solidbond on Mar 17, 2011 17:07:22 GMT
Just wanted to say that Dave was a true gent and a good friend. He will be greatly missed by all those who had the fortune to know or work with him. He will always be remembered.
RIP Dave
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Post by solidbond on Jul 15, 2010 22:29:19 GMT
I can assure you that C stock have been frequent visistors to Ealing Broadway - in particular T71, 0931 ECT WB used to be diverted to Ealing for stock training, running in service from ECT to EBY. In addition, it would then run in service from Acton Town to either HSK or Edgware Road, depending on what time the training finsished in Ealing Common depot.
Re. the CSDE loops at EBY, it was OK if you went into pfm 7 or 9, as they are (were?) Cat B, so you would stop at the normal stopping mark, and after changing ends you could look out the cab door to check the platform. This was not possible from pfm 8, so assistance would be required prior to departure.
The same applied at Richmond, where C stock could be worked into pfm 4 or 6, as they were Cat B platforms, so the train could stop at the normal stopping mark on arrival and the T/Op observe from the cab for departure. Whether this has changed since I left the District almost 3 years ago, I couldn't say!
In addition, IIRC post 7/7 a number of C stocks worked from Ealing Broadway during the peak hours.
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Post by solidbond on Nov 14, 2009 1:25:09 GMT
D tcok complete brake failure? A bit like 508 and 455 complete failure to stop, very common in the early days of them a la shepperton, Hampton court and others too numerous to mention. WSP cuts in, train won't stop. Ask the expert. No WSP , on D stock so much for the expert !. For your info, i a Chartered Engineer with 20 years experience of rolling stock engneering on three continents , including 6 years with the D stock. When I was at Ealing we did RCM reviews where we looked at each possible failure of the brake system I am 100% sure I know what I´m talking about. Then perhaps you could explain this one - I was coming into Cannon St W/B at 0900, about 13 years ago, put the brakes on - nothing - pressed the Air Brake button on the TMS and it showed NO air brake on any of the 6 cars in any service brake position. This was later confirmed by the ECT TT1 with his little box of tricks, however the Rheo and the Emergency brake DID work. After changing ends at EBY, had a repeat of the brake failure from the other cab. I was told that it was caused by a broken washer shorting the studs in the middle coupler.
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Post by solidbond on Mar 9, 2009 22:27:25 GMT
I have some photos on my website, although I have a number that are still not scanned in!! You can see the ones that I do have online by clicking here
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Post by solidbond on Jan 22, 2009 22:30:19 GMT
I can help you with some side-on views of the C stock underside - I've got a few in my collection Will sort some out, upload them and send you the links
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Post by solidbond on Dec 5, 2008 7:14:27 GMT
Unless this refers to the painted signs on various hoardings on Mile End platforms, in which case I'd guess they are Temporary Storage Rooms
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Post by solidbond on Dec 2, 2008 15:48:13 GMT
I P.S Mr Agnew dosen't mention what RPA stands for. My guess is something along the lines of Rotary Pneumatic Actuator. Rapid Pneaumatic Accelator Although some people have claimed it is Rapid, I've always been taught, and have taught others, that it is Rotary (since it goes round )
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Post by solidbond on Oct 23, 2008 20:15:00 GMT
I know they were there the previous weekend, ie Sunday 12th October, as I went past them on the C2C. Not sure if that was the first time they'd been used, but it possibly was.
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Post by solidbond on Oct 13, 2008 18:29:44 GMT
which the district controller didnt even notice I would love to know how the Controller could notice locked wheels at South Ken from an office in Baker Street? If anything, the T/Op should have noticed locked wheels, as the train would have been very sluggish. It is highly unlikely that a T/Op would notice locked wheels - since it would only affect one axle out of 24 axles. Thus the effect on the trains performance would be minimal.
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Post by solidbond on Oct 3, 2008 22:49:36 GMT
In answer to the question about the investigation, it would depend really on what actually had happened Therefore, whilst I appreciate you don't want to give away the story, it is difficult to determine the details of the follow-up investigation. Certainly CCTV would be viewed, both from the station and the train, as well as downloading any available information from the train. Witness statements may be required, depending on the circumstances of the incident and whether the British Transport Police (BTP) were involved. If BTP were involved, they may decide it is a crime scene and thus follow their procedures for securing evidence etc. As you can see, it is difficult to determine exactly what would happen, as every incident is different, but I hope this will be of some use to you
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Post by solidbond on Sept 26, 2008 12:42:41 GMT
Are you sure that picture D is Uxbridge? It looks remarkably like pfm 5 at Upminster to me, and that certainly looks like a D stock, as mentioned by adw (although he did say Ealing Bdwy ) Also, no-one claimed it was Uxbridge as far as I can see
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Post by solidbond on Sept 3, 2008 21:46:54 GMT
Crump Towers is indeed nickname of the Train Crew Accommodation at Leytonstone, named after the former TCM, Len Crump. Which of course is where I now work as a DMT ;D ;D The model railway layout has been recreated, albeit in a reduced form, at Arsefilled House, but not sure if it is created from the old WCTC (White City Training Centre) one. And does anyone here remember the reaction of anyone who worked at WCTC, if you refered to it as 'the school' ;D ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Aug 19, 2008 16:07:47 GMT
Yes I think so. The only selective door features on the A stock are to cut out the rear end doors. The C and D stocks can close all but one pair. On the C stock you can cut out the front three pairs of doors, leaving one set open, but on D stock you can cut out the first two doors on the leading car, or the last two doors on the rear car, in each case leaving two doors open on the respective car.
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Post by solidbond on Aug 17, 2008 14:07:40 GMT
I'm not sure what the Loughton drivers were doing - probably trips as as and when needed from Leytonstone - as the special service wasn't actually started until about 1300, and I left just after 1400. Hainault sent a number of their drivers down to Leytonstone to help out as well, but again this was just before I left.
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Post by solidbond on Aug 17, 2008 10:15:48 GMT
Well I can tell you what we did at Leytonstone yesterday, as I was the DMT on the desk when it happened. Basically, Hainault ran a Hainault to Liverpool Street service (numbered 600 - 6??) Leytonstone T/Ops were doing a five train Epping Leytonstone shuttle, numbered 400 - 404. Obviously one the operational problems is getting drivers back to their respective ends to finish. I had about four trains coming towards Leytonstone, all with West Ruislip drivers due to finish at Ruislip, so had to get spares out to move the trains, some going to Woodford, some to Loughton and some to Hainault. I left at 1400, and I understand the service wasn't restored until about 1730 or so. Not sure if the service was ever recovered, or if it was kept as a special service to close of traffic.
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Post by solidbond on Aug 17, 2008 9:45:41 GMT
You have a PM
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Post by solidbond on Aug 8, 2008 22:50:45 GMT
Do we have an answer for this one? ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Aug 8, 2008 14:08:29 GMT
Is there any reader here who actually crewed the Aldwych train? I mean did anyone ever do Holborn-Aldwych and back 8 times an hour? I worked it back in '86, when I travelled to Northfields for my job. It was quite handy for me if I could get the late turn, as I could phone up from Hainault, and go straight to Holborn for the pick up Could it be possible it was a split turn? DOC No - it was an early turn that took the train out of Northfields, up to Holborn, shunted to the shuttle platform, worked about 18 round trips, stabled the train and made their way to Wood Green for grub. The late turn booked on at Northfields (or phoned up ) then made their way to Holborn, prepped the train, worked about 19 round trips, then ran the train empty to Wood Green for grub, and the train was worked back to Northfields, via a rusty rail move at Down Street(?) by another crew.
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Post by solidbond on Aug 5, 2008 17:40:29 GMT
The original C stock DVA was nicknamed VERA for Very Erratic Repetitive Announcements ;D
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Post by solidbond on Jun 30, 2008 23:15:40 GMT
Congratulations to both of you. Now the question is, is this like the Blind Date thing where Cilla, or in this case District Dave, has to have a new hat for the wedding ;D ;D ;D Good luck to you both for the future
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Post by solidbond on Jun 26, 2008 6:59:41 GMT
The Circles run by the District were, Outer Rail 123 and 125, and Inner Rail 114 and 115 IIRC. Since the only reason they ran really was for historical reasons, it was basically decided that when the H&C became its own line, the District would no longer run Circles. I believe that part of the reason was, with the development of the separate business units, there was the anomaly of a Circle Line train, using H&C trains, running on Metropolitan Line tracks with a District Line driver. There was also the fact that us Baker St Met drivers would refuse to run one of the District Circles as they had to be driven by District drivers ;D I remember one Sunday at Baker St, the Station Manager came in to tell me that T204 had been reformed at Edgware Road into T125, and could I take it to Gloucester Road for the District driver to pick it up. I refused on the grounds that it was a District train, and I was a Met driver. After he complained that the train was now in the platform, I pointed out that it wasn't my problem. As he was walking out of the room, I just happend to mention that, if it was still T204 then I couldn't refuse to run it, and it could possibly be reformed on arrival at Gloucester Road ;D I'll leave you to work out what happened next
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Post by solidbond on Jun 19, 2008 14:51:44 GMT
I actually had the 'privilege' of working the first C stock booked to run in service to Upminster, at least as far as Barking. The purpose of them going to Upminster was so they could be washed (this was before the new wash was built at Hammersmith.) I actually phoned the Controller to confirm that it was booked to run in service to Upminster, and he confirmed that it was. So I announced that it was an Upminster train, despite not having Upminster on the front of the train (I forget if I put Special or just Barking up ) However, on arrival at Barking the Upminster T/Op who was to pick the train up, refused to run it in service, on the grounds that there was no Correct Side Door Enable fitted between Upney and Upminster, and he would have to keep using the override . As a result, from that point on, the train usually ran empty from Barking.
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Post by solidbond on Jun 16, 2008 20:55:41 GMT
my mum claims that there was a station man at Liverpool Street, central line who used to sing "mind the gap" when the train arrived could this be the same person? Ahh - that would have been the signalman there, Gus - he would also announce, in his distinct deep booming voice, all the stations that the train would call at
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Post by solidbond on Jun 14, 2008 23:02:36 GMT
It's the "new" LU radio system using a similar system to the Emergency services. It is a digital radio system which should be better than the current, archaic system. It started as a PFI in 1996 (?) and only started to rolled out last year! It still hasn't been fully implemented yet. Actually it was first rolled out in 2006, rather than last year, firstly on the East London Line (RIP) followed by the District LIne in October 2006.
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Post by solidbond on Jun 13, 2008 22:43:36 GMT
I know that it was used, some years ago now before I worked on the District Line (so pre-Oct 1995), when the bridge over the Thames was being repaired (IIRC, following it being hit by a barge on the Thames - the Thames Bubbler comes to mind) Due to the damage to the bridge, it was deemed unsafe to allow the trains stuck between the bridge and Wimbledon to travel over the bridge, so they were used as a Wimbledon to East Putney shuttle. I also seem to recall it being used during weekend engineering works after I started on the District, albeit probably not long after I started on the line
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Post by solidbond on Jun 5, 2008 17:52:51 GMT
It has certainly entered service now, as I saw it yesterday morning on T107 in Dagenham East bay road.
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Post by solidbond on Jun 5, 2008 6:14:56 GMT
C is definitely Gloucester Road
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Post by solidbond on May 31, 2008 23:04:40 GMT
Then of course there are the alcohol free beers - who is going to go up to the customer and ask if the drink they are drinking is alcoholic? Of course, you could always ask to test it for them ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on May 31, 2008 22:57:04 GMT
But who is going to actually enforce the ban? Which member of staff is going to challenge 20, 10, 5, or even just 2 drunken idiots? And who is going to be happy about delaying a train for 15 minutes to an hour to wait for the BTP to attend? This is the problem with the ban - actually getting it enforced.
Oh - and Embankment is now added to the list of stations closed due to pax incident.
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Post by solidbond on May 31, 2008 22:08:11 GMT
And the Outer Rail Circle is now suspended due to pax incident at Euston Square.
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