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Post by solidbond on Sept 2, 2005 21:29:23 GMT
There is also the matter of the types of trains used, and the way they were built. Generally, until the D stock, Surface stock trains had bigger wheels, and less equipment hanging down as low as the tube stock. Thus there would be less chance of someone on the track being caught by equipment on a Surface stock train than a Tube stock.
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Post by solidbond on Jul 10, 2005 22:33:31 GMT
Well I always knew that my uncle was lucky to be alive, but now it sounds like there was someone upstairs watching over him that day. Does anyone else know of anyone who has come into such direct contact with the juice rail and lived to tell the tale? I had a 'near miss' some years ago (OK, it was a LONG time ago ) I was approaching Leytonstone E/B at about 2300 in the rain. As I got to the bottom of the ramp, I saw something fall on the track. At first I thought it was a black plastic sack, but at the same time made and emergency brake application. It was actually a 'wino' woman who had fallen onto the track. To this day, I have no idea how she survived as, not only had the train managed to stop in about 3 car lengths, but her head was on the Neg rail and her legs were on the running rails However, she came round and was lifted from the track with no more damage to her than a gash on her forehead where it had hit the neggy rail. I still maintain to this day that if she had been a red signal in a tunnel section, I would have stopped about three cars past her. But there is a saying that God looks after drunks and fools. Whatever the case, someone was looking after her!
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Post by solidbond on Jul 4, 2005 20:14:52 GMT
When the surface stock gets the so called 'common fleet', I wonder what we will call it??? Most likely - 'rubbish' ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Sept 1, 2005 22:10:18 GMT
The general idea is that each car is numbered uniquely, such that there are no two cars in the LU fleet with the same number at the same time. Cars within a unit are now numbered such that at least the last two numbers (sometimes three or even four) are the same for each car of the unit (with exceptions for double-ended units). This makes it possible to identify each individual car, and what type of car it is (ie Driving Motor, Trailer, UNDM) from the car number.. Hence a single-end unit of D stock may have the driving motor car as 7021, then the trailer car will be 17021 and the UNDM will be 8021. The numbering is also used, on LU, to help identify which is the A end and which is the D end of a unit. This is particularly important for 'handed' stock, such as D stock, where units can only be coupled a specific way round. (A ends and D ends are so-called because each axle is lettered, A, B, C and D - hence one end of the car will have the 'A' axle, the other end will have the 'D' axle - hence A end and D end )
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Post by solidbond on Aug 19, 2005 23:46:29 GMT
And indeed I was, as witnessed by two members of this elite forum! Hmm, that implies a guilt complex, as if you need witnesses to prove you were driving a train! You'd think it was a very rare event or something! Now if you'd said Solidbond had been driving a train, then I'd demand independant witnesses! ;D In the interests of public decency, I would ask you to avoid making obscene remarks - me driving a train indeed ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Jul 5, 2005 20:24:32 GMT
The other 62TS unit with the red cab end was 1422,although I think the cars done were 1444&1423. Ahh - that's it! But I'm sure the 2 cars that were painted were 1422 and 1445 ;D I'll have to see if I can dig out some of my old photos to confirm Have now found the pics. I will upload them to my website as soon as I can. I can also confirm that the 2 cars painted with the red fronts were 1422 + 1445. The middle cars of the train, 1444 + 1423 were NOT painted (and I have the pics to prove it ;D ;D )
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Post by solidbond on Jun 26, 2005 21:52:51 GMT
The other 62TS unit with the red cab end was 1422,although I think the cars done were 1444&1423. Ahh - that's it! But I'm sure the 2 cars that were painted were 1422 and 1445 ;D I'll have to see if I can dig out some of my old photos to confirm
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Post by solidbond on Jun 25, 2005 23:05:00 GMT
You are quite correct Chris W, it was applied to a number of 62's that did the Woodford - Hainault run back in the late 70's early 80's. AIUI, the idea behind the red rectangle being on the front was to improve train sighting be persons that may be working on the track during traffic hours; a sort of BR's yellow front, as it was. Not quite - it was applied to two cars of 62's, at one end of each of two units, which to begin with ran as a complete train. IIRC 1445 was one of the cars, but I can't remember the other car number. (although 16?? seems to ring a bell!) A picture of one of the cars (albeit in B&W!) can be seen on my website here mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/LUArchive/html/miscellaneous_0.html
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Post by solidbond on Aug 22, 2005 17:36:06 GMT
WOW, I never knew that Julian Clary was a PG guard! Why am I not surprised someone like him was based at Parsons Green?! ;D *Apparently* when he was there he threw the organisation into chaos by insisting on a female uniform. The rules IIRC said a uniform must be worn, but wasn't more specific than that. And, allegedly, got his first TV appearance as a result of it, when he was filmed for the London evening news programme of the time, dancing on Earl's Court platform in a female uniform
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Post by solidbond on Jun 21, 2005 20:33:21 GMT
Sorry Mr PP but I thinks you is mistook. Without being pedantic all stocks up to and including 1962 TS used a single camshaft RPA. Prior to 1935 all stocks had either Accelerating relays or Potentiometers. Or have I misunderstood your last post? Ahh - I should have been more explicit in my post. What I SHOULD have said is that when the 67 stock was introduced, using rheostatic braking for the first time on LU, then 2 RPAs were used, as it was the only way they could do it at the time. As technology improved, and experience was gained, so it became possible to use rheo braking with a single RPA. As has now been confirmed, it was the introduction of the 73 stock that allowed the rheo to be used with the single RPA.
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Post by solidbond on Jun 20, 2005 20:07:58 GMT
I've just got back from my first day on work experience, covered in filth, having had a great start to my two weeks at the depot. I helped fix some door motors and went down in the pits a couple of times to have a look at something being fixed (can't remember what - my mate mentioned something about 9 'clicks' and gradually letting the full 600v into the motors - please enlighten me!). That would have been the RPA, or Rotary Pneumatic Accelerator. Like Ronseal, it does what it says on the tin ;D It rotates, using main line air, to accelerate the train. It does this by starting with all the resistances in the resistance grid in circuit. As the train starts to move, the motors can take more current, so the RPA turns one notch to take one bank of resistances out of circuit, thereby increasing the amount of current going to the motors. This continues until all the banks of resistance are out of circuit, and the motors are receiving all the current. One thing to note, some stock, including the 67, 72 and C stock use 2 RPAs, one for winding up to series, and the other for winding up to parallel. Other stocks only use 1 RPA. I'm not sure whether the 73s use 1 or 2, but I'm sure someone on here WILL know
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Post by solidbond on Aug 15, 2005 19:51:41 GMT
Then there are the double-bluffs. Southwell (of racecourse fame) is always pronounced Suthell by the horse racing community, but this is regarded as offensive by the locals who pronounce it......SouthWell! BTW Hainault: SB states the correct English pronunciation, but the place of the same name in France IS pronounced I-No, just as we have corrupted Paree to Paris because we do not want to understand French. Ahh - but Hainault in Essex has nothing to do with French It is a corruption of the Olde English Hyne Holt according to the LT book What's in a Name
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Post by solidbond on Aug 14, 2005 23:58:07 GMT
What about Hainault, which I pronounce 'Hay-no'? Here in Northampton, we have Duston, which should be pronounced 'Dusson' Hainault should be pronounced Hay-nought. I should know as I lived there for 25 years
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Post by solidbond on Aug 14, 2005 8:45:47 GMT
Whilst on this subject is it BEEcontree or BECKontree ?? Now there is an interesting point. The correct pronunciation of Becontree is BECKontree. However, despite London Transport always refusing to accept it, there is another location in the area that is called Beacontree Heath. London Transport, however, has ALWAYS referred to it as Becontree Heath
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Post by solidbond on Oct 1, 2005 10:41:00 GMT
I don't think the 83ts had the same motors has the ones on the District line. IIRC one of the District line trains had prototype 83ts type motors recently changed. Not sure what motors were used on the 83s, but the only thing that was tested on the D stock for the 83s was the analogue brake. Two units of D stock were fitted with analogue braking 7080 & 7043. 7080 had the one which eventually was fitted to the 83s. These two units have now had their analogue braking removed, and have been fitted with standard Westcode braking.
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Post by solidbond on Sept 3, 2005 21:51:33 GMT
The ones at HSK (Bay Plats) still have the stopping mark for the 'R' Stock by the looks of things, IIRC the diamonds on the track have C/R on them! IIRC there's one at Whitechapel too. Not quite!! They actually show C/R for C stock Reverser ;D
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Post by solidbond on Sept 3, 2005 18:57:26 GMT
And in some places, eg High St Ken, they have the plates with 'C' or 'D' on them - else it could be awkward to use numbers as they are both 6 cars ;D
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Post by solidbond on Jun 19, 2005 18:43:09 GMT
You are quite right. One static converter per unit has been fitter to power the D stocks cab aircon. I thought the static converter has completely replaced the MA, not just for the air con? I hope not, else I'll have to completely redo all the D stock diagrams and training notes However, the fact is, there are still the same MAs, doing almost the same things, as there were before. The static converter, as stated above, has been added mainly for the air-con, but also now supplies the PA and CIS.
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Post by solidbond on Jun 16, 2005 20:31:35 GMT
Bayswater Eastbound/Outer Rail platform is 91.454 metres, which is about 300ft ;D (ask if you wanna know how I worked this out ) I'm intrigued, go on then... Hold on, you haven't taken a D stock refurb there and checked with the GPS, have you...? ;D Now there's a thought..... ;D ;D Oh - alright then. I'll tell you. When you stop a C stock at the stopping mark, the front of the train is right at the top of the ramp. The rear doors are also just at the top of the rear ramp, so using the Rolling Stock Information PDF that LU released a couple of years ago, I worked out the overall length of a C stock, then subtracted the distance from the end of the car to the first set of doors ;D ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Jun 16, 2005 20:05:00 GMT
Bayswater Eastbound/Outer Rail platform is 91.454 metres, which is about 300ft ;D (ask if you wanna know how I worked this out )
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Post by solidbond on Jun 14, 2005 22:18:52 GMT
No, no, no Mr C It's WRONG! wrong! wrong! Zero is NOT a number or even a digit. By all means have 3 digit numbers in the present position but they MUST start at 100. There IS no number zero so the whole thing starts wrong on the first place and is just not logical. I just cannot see the sense in putting the leading zero in the display. So do you think we should change James Bond's Licence to kill number as well? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Aug 13, 2005 20:56:29 GMT
These are the working timetables that contain information that staff need but passengers don't. With regard to passenger timetables, with a train every few minutes (except on the outer reaches of the Met perhaps) is a passenger timetable really necessary or will it simply add to the litter problem? I agree. However you say "is it really necessary" not. "Safety and security" which is, I', sure you agree, simply ball hooks! I disagree - since Working Timetables show which individual trains start from each depot or sidings, and then where said train will be at any given time of the day, it would, theoretically, be possible for a terrorist to plant a device on a train in a depot or siding, and set it to detonate when that train was at any given point. Taking that into consideration, would YOU want terrorists to have free access to that kind of information?
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Post by solidbond on Jun 6, 2005 21:21:00 GMT
I believe that area 'A' is the shed roads, usually where there are pits with overhead leads. Depots are split into (IIRC) three areas, A, B and C. Area A is as described above, areas B & C are those areas with less hazards. I can't find the books with the details at the moment, and my depot protection master certificate expired in February so that is my excuse for not remembering them all ;D ;D
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Post by solidbond on Jun 3, 2005 21:47:12 GMT
When I first went to Baker Street Met in 1988 there was a driver there who lived in another country He commuted daily from Neath in South Wales ;D There was also a member of staff who lived in the Isle of Wight who was based, IIRC, at Neasden.
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Post by solidbond on Aug 27, 2005 22:08:22 GMT
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Post by solidbond on May 23, 2005 7:03:09 GMT
OK DAVE fair comment!! As to your question, you could have a point. I'm unsure of what WL13 (wrong road shunt, East end of Westbound Local) allows. If it allows movement to 21 road, then we would look for a route 3 to the Eastbound fast, then shunt WL56 for the depot. If it allows movement to 24 road (chiswick works), then it would have to be northfields. Though not a excuse, i'm off sick at the moment, otherwise I would prefer to visit the area and see it for real! Line supplement drawings only help so much. I'm gonna risk it and say reverse at WL13 to 21 road. Then WL51 with '3' to Eastbound fast, finally WL56 to depot. Now looks forward to early retirement!! ;D ;D WL13 ONLY allows movement into Acton Works - therefore there is no way to go from the W/B local into Acton East sidings
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Post by solidbond on May 18, 2005 20:47:15 GMT
All I can tell you is that it came over the train radio to say that Ealing Broadway was closed due to an incident outside the station. Trains were told to detrain at Acton Town (Ealing Common W/B platform is closed for building work) and the trains were to run empty from Acton Town to Ealing Broadway, and back to Ealing Common. About 10 mins later, controller called up a train approaching Ealing Broadway to say that the LFB had asked for the station to be evacuated, and could he change ends quickly and leave early. The service was then suspended to Ealing with trains being diverted to Richmond or Wimbledon. (Surprised they didn't try sending some to South Harrow ;D) It wasn't till I saw that BBC item that I found out what had actually happened!
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Post by solidbond on May 17, 2005 0:07:27 GMT
Remote booking on/off was introduced as part of 'Company Plan' in December 1992. The original parameters stated that the remote location must be within 20 minutes travelling time of the home depot. Over the years, modifications to agreements allowed remote booking on and off to be removed from some locations. There was also an agreement that facilities at the remote location should be at least equal to those at the home depot. This has been the source of a number of disputes, not least the current one at Acton, caused by the definition of equal facilities The unions argue that, if there are parking spaces at the home depot, then there should be the same available at the remote location. Management state that there should be lockers available for any T/Op booking on/off remotely, but then only provided a number of 'remote' lockers, ie ones that could be used by any T/Op remotely booking on/off. The unions argued that every T/Op should have a personal locker at the remote location. There were other arguments as well, but ultimately, a number of locations which had remote booking on/off no longer do!
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Post by solidbond on May 20, 2005 21:34:47 GMT
Ours are de-ionised water (or water with additive, depending on who you listen to). Apparently they're safe to use on electrics, though I wouldn't like to put that to the test... IIRC they are safe to use on train fires, providing traction current is switched off first. ie, they are suitable if there is only low voltage current, but not high voltage current present.
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Post by solidbond on May 17, 2005 11:15:10 GMT
I still see a few of the JTROs from my year. At least one of them was involved in the infamous incident at Aldgate cabin, involving armed police and a supposed IRA attack
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