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Post by a60 on Feb 1, 2019 21:31:42 GMT
I'm not entering into any comment about liabilities here, but such corrosion as there is or may be does not seem the sort of thing that leads a fleet to an early demise as some seem to imply. Rather it is the sort of thing addressed though component renewal, sometimes with improvements. One can also note that the earliest S stock carbodies are 10 years old and some have been in service almost 8 1/2 years as I write. Actually, this is quite pertinent to mention as I've recently moved back to Metroland after many years away and having ridden about on the S8 Stock, in particular, the seats are starting to look a little bit careworn. Have any of the S Stock been through an overhaul process yet? If not, when can such a process be expected to begin? I'd imagine any corrosion issues can be taken care of then.
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Post by a60 on Jul 9, 2018 16:02:01 GMT
As I understand it, the MOD didn't take them in the end.
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Post by a60 on Jul 9, 2018 11:27:25 GMT
Someone snapped a picture of it. www.flickr.com/photos/aecsouthall/43232316272/I was surprised to see this in my flickr search results - now I had stopped looking here because my interest in the SSR has waned a lot since the old guard stood down. Would want to be moving it soon, they didn't hang around this long with 5110/11. Naturally, what is left of the optimist in me would hope against hope that they perhaps hope also to tart this one up and run it with 6110 as a power car. However, the realist in me concedes it'll be off to Booths soon. A nice surprise however.
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Post by a60 on Mar 28, 2018 12:35:13 GMT
I suppose the real question is whether they are headed for Booths or RAF Spadeadam (per the rumour). Ah well, they did well and it is over 57 years since the first one rolled on to LU metals, which is good going for anything really (in service or not).
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Post by a60 on Jan 5, 2018 12:31:03 GMT
The 92TS are supposed to get retractioned soon, no? Or has this fallen by the wayside? Long term, patch and mend is incredibly wasteful, because it’d make more sense to strip it all out and do a proper job, but as an accountant I also know that cash flow and long term planning are not really bedfellows. If cash flow wasn’t an issue then NTfL would have been ordered long ago, but now it also seems as if the three lines may have fairly different dates for the scrappage of their stock that ordering one type of rolling stock for the three lines may no longer be a possibility. Both in terms of cash and practicality.
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Post by a60 on Jan 4, 2018 20:23:16 GMT
Going on the news in the tabloids about seemingly only the Piccadilly Line trains being replaced, I think the 92TS and 72TS will have to be kept going much, much longer than originally planned. If the 92TS are replaced before 2040 it will be a miracle, so this work (patch and mend or otherwise) is necessary.
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Post by a60 on Dec 21, 2017 23:43:03 GMT
Unless you could try to jump the gun and contact Booth's, but given Dean Sullivan's attempts at getting hold of ex-tube stock in the old "A Stock preservation" thread, it would appear there's some clause in the LU contracts which forbids sale to third parties. So unless you can try to to liaise between LU and Booth's and commit to it, you may find luck has disappeared. No less, if you do try, I wish you the very best of luck.
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Post by a60 on Dec 20, 2017 22:57:55 GMT
Whereas I respect your learned view from inside the organisation, Anna, I must respectfully disagree with the thrust of your post. Just because LUL/TfL can't afford it does not mean to say that someone else could not. As for 'make money', I don't think anyone is under the impression that heritage is profitable as a strictly business proposition, rather, that it is less unprofitable to have something that can have a means of its own income attached to it through tours or the like, rather than having to rely on a cut of admission fees from admission to a storage place. If there was ever any serious traction within LUL to preserve a set, or perhaps more important, seek external partners or owners for such in the name of preservation it would be great to know, and change the otherwise pessimistic tone I took. However, surely you must appreciate that the feeling among many people connected with the tube, both inside and out, was that it was internal apathy that ultimately did in any prospect of preservation. Please, tell me I am wrong. It would be good to know that LUL did as much as possible to find a group to look after it when they realised they could not afford it themselves? I just don't see it though. The COP stock, the Q stock, the 59ts (to name some) were all offered to private buyers. Was the A stock, or the C stock, ever offered to any group/individual other than a scrappage firm? Has any serious offer to preserve an A stock been turned down? I remember some preservationists tried to approach CF Booths to get a 67TS DM way back in 2010 or thereabouts, and they were turned down flat. The official explanation being that LU forbade them to sell on any full carriages - again, people referred to the asbestos, i.e. avoiding litigation. Cravens was probably the most infamous of all the rolling stock manufacturers for using copious amounts of asbestos, so there's no doubt in my mind there's still some of it on them. LU wouldn't want to run the risk of the outside chance of someone falling ill from preserving an A60.
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Post by a60 on Dec 15, 2017 8:00:44 GMT
Well, as I understand it, there are no plans to preserve anything of them apart from car 5034. The leaf fall season ends soon if I’m not much mistaken, and the D78 RAT stands ready to take over from next year.
So I presume that it is all over for the A60’s now, save for a final trip to Northwood or Acton.
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Post by a60 on Dec 15, 2017 7:27:47 GMT
The excuse given on another forum is that LUL do not wish to sell to private owners due to asbestos contamination. Avoiding litigation and all that lark.
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Post by a60 on Dec 14, 2017 23:13:42 GMT
I understand it's all over, that the RAT went out with a premature bang. One way trip to Booth's for 5110 and 5234?
I see from Flickr that 5113 is still in existence as of a few days ago, albeit in Rotherham. Anyone know of when the units will leave LU metals?
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Post by a60 on Oct 5, 2017 21:45:29 GMT
Excellent
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Post by a60 on Oct 5, 2017 20:56:58 GMT
I understand the A60 Stock is out for the very last time this season. Any word on when it will be doing the rounds on the Met?
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Post by a60 on Aug 29, 2017 12:35:43 GMT
67ts I believe.
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Post by a60 on Jul 21, 2017 21:55:59 GMT
My favourite has to be the A-Stock; stands to reason given my username. It had many foibles for sure, quite old-fashioned on release, suspension which would have been put to shame by a pogo stick and noisy equipment, but all of that gave it a certain character. At the end of their service, it went without saying that they had the feel of a train which had been pushed to the ragged edge and yet despite their creaking as if to sound sick of themselves, they soldiered on for much longer than was originally anticipated - the above and the fact that I had the privilege to grow up using them puts them at number one on my list.
My second favourite (if we are to allow non LU stock) would be the 8100 Class DART trains in Dublin, which now that I live in Dublin are quite a frequent sighting for me on the way into work. I like them to travel on because they remind me of the A Stock in an odd way, probably the transverse seats and a vaguely similar shape. In another ten years they'll probably be getting phased out, but until then I can enjoy them.
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Post by a60 on Jul 14, 2017 23:29:32 GMT
I had my first journey on one this evening and I'm sorry to say I'm not impressed. I'd say the interior looks no newer than before and the colour palette chosen is quite gloomy. Given previous tube refurbishments have been quite transformational this is a let down in my opinion and I actually quite miss the purple accents. I think 'gloomy' is very much the 'in' thing right now, I feel that society seems to imitate what happened 50 years before, in the 1980's art deco was back in fashion and now in the 2010's the 60's thing for dull and functional design where possible is the in vogue thing. That is why every high-rise built in the last decade or so essentially looks the same, just a drab glass confection. Train interiors are much the same now as they were in 60's, the new Merseyrail trains are going to be grey and yellow in something that would have been very trendy in the 60's, the Class 345's have a grey interior which (had the poles have been red) wouldn't be too far off the original A-Stock interior, and the 96TS refurb is much like being in a slightly brighter version of the original 1967 stock. The 50 year rule seems to repeat without fail, to my mind.
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Post by a60 on Jul 1, 2017 0:54:53 GMT
I believe its one way trip was to Booth's, I saw a picture on Instagram (of all places) of 5112 on the back of a lorry going up the M1.
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Post by a60 on Jun 5, 2017 17:06:19 GMT
Ah fair enough so. I imagine everything is going to make way for that new shed for the 92ts?
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Post by a60 on Jun 5, 2017 16:23:33 GMT
I thought there was only 5 cars in Acton Works, 5112-6112+6113+5113 and 6132. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by a60 on Jun 5, 2017 14:38:18 GMT
Any idea of where its going for scrap? Or is that information not for public consumption?
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Post by a60 on Mar 3, 2017 8:46:41 GMT
I wonder if Cravens Heritage might have an interest in saving one of the three. If funds are a bit tight, then they could always turn to crowdfunding or something of the sort. However, I quite agree that having seen 5110's interior from the platform - much work would be required to get it up to code.
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Post by a60 on Feb 20, 2017 1:26:41 GMT
Sorry to bump this thread folks. I was just wondering if anyone had any idea what was happening to the last 3 sets left on LU metals? Have their fates been sealed now, or is there any active movement wither within or outside of the company to put one aside for preservation?
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Post by a60 on Dec 9, 2016 15:32:53 GMT
They aren't going to scrap it, are they?
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Post by a60 on Sept 2, 2016 7:15:14 GMT
I was hoping to see a D Stock when I was in London earlier this week, the only place I saw one was on the M25 on the back of a truck.
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Post by a60 on Apr 29, 2016 12:01:57 GMT
Probably will continue to stable there.
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Post by a60 on Mar 14, 2016 20:25:29 GMT
I remember a similar thing happening to A62 DM 5161, it came off the rails leaving Wembley sidings in April 2011, and we all thought it was game over. The leading bogie got repaired and it carried on for another fourteen months or so of service.
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Post by a60 on Mar 12, 2016 18:28:43 GMT
I shouldn't think so, in terms of the rolling stock the Bakerloo Line would probably take the biscuit, and it would also take it for the amount of times the NR signalling beyond Queen's Park goes wrong. Of course, I would have handed the Metropolitan the "Broken Signalling Award" but things aren't quite as bad now as they were in 2002 (from my own eyes anyhow).
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Post by a60 on Oct 28, 2015 22:20:59 GMT
metman 6132 is formed up with 5112/3 at Acton Works. As for any other details, one just has to assume it is withdrawn. I saw in the caption of tubesnaps' photo on flickr that 5112 has been transferred in ownership to LTM, any truth to this? Here is the link to Tubesnap's Flickr account: www.flickr.com/photos/tubesnaps/I can't find the reference re ownership change.... I really ought to have put the link in there, my apologies. Here it be; www.flickr.com/photos/tubesnaps/14315542746/
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Post by a60 on Oct 28, 2015 19:18:37 GMT
metman 6132 is formed up with 5112/3 at Acton Works. As for any other details, one just has to assume it is withdrawn. I saw in the caption of tubesnaps' photo on flickr that 5112 has been transferred in ownership to LTM, any truth to this?
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Post by a60 on Oct 28, 2015 1:11:46 GMT
Maybe Quainton Road is a suitable place, I assume that there would be a lot of red tape involved in getting an A Stock to/from there with battery locos?
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