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Post by flippyff on Nov 29, 2017 22:24:35 GMT
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Post by phoenixcronin on Nov 30, 2017 16:45:02 GMT
Interesting... all cabs and some middle ends were replaced only a few years ago
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 18:36:53 GMT
Interesting... all cabs and some middle ends were replaced only a few years ago Are you sure 'all' were done. I was told it was only 1/2, and other half are being done now
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Post by t697 on Dec 1, 2017 19:06:17 GMT
There seem to be two strands on this thread now; 1. About door pushback forces 2. About carbody end panels They don't really seem to be linked other than both being about 1992TS trains...
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 1, 2017 20:42:47 GMT
There seem to be two strands on this thread now; 1. About door pushback forces 2. About carbody end panels They don't really seem to be linked other than both being about 1992TS trains... Luckily as the posts were only devoted to one of the two subjects it was easy to move them out into this new thread. The original thread is here.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 2, 2017 0:36:28 GMT
There seem to be two strands on this thread now; 1. About door pushback forces 2. About carbody end panels They don't really seem to be linked other than both being about 1992TS trains... Luckily as the posts were only devoted to one of the two subjects it was easy to move them out into this new thread. The original thread is here.
Trust you to do an easy thread split!
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Post by xercesfobe on Dec 3, 2017 8:58:24 GMT
So will we see the return of 3M sticky tape to keep the car ends in place and maybe cardboard sides and doors for the 92 stock? XF
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Post by flippyff on Jan 4, 2018 19:42:19 GMT
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Post by Ben on Jan 4, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
Triggers Broom. Calling them '92ts will be false advertising soon enough!
Just goes to show you though; buy cheap, buy twice.
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Post by a60 on Jan 4, 2018 20:23:16 GMT
Going on the news in the tabloids about seemingly only the Piccadilly Line trains being replaced, I think the 92TS and 72TS will have to be kept going much, much longer than originally planned. If the 92TS are replaced before 2040 it will be a miracle, so this work (patch and mend or otherwise) is necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 22:08:19 GMT
Going on the news in the tabloids about seemingly only the Piccadilly Line trains being replaced, I think the 92TS and 72TS will have to be kept going much, much longer than originally planned. If the 92TS are replaced before 2040 it will be a miracle, so this work (patch and mend or otherwise) is necessary. Although unreliable, I love the 92TS, they should go through a patch and mend phase if they need to (but not as long as the 72s have). The 72TS however have waited long enough. It's now becoming cost inaffective to keep patching and mending them. Maybe TFL should lay off that manager bonus and give the 72s a rest. The 92s have always seemed a bit forgotten compared to other stock. It's funny the way that TFL originally planned for new stock to replace them within the next few years but when they realise that'll be unachievable, they suddenly start investing in them. Also a side note, something that may also hint to the 73s being replaced much sooner is the fact that TFL were giving them a refresh (I think some units got new seats with the blue barman moquette) but they seemed to have stopped this rather abruptly By the way, before anyone brings it up, I know the managers bonus alone will not pay for new rolling stock
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 4, 2018 22:15:36 GMT
By the way, before anyone brings it up, I know the managers bonus alone will not pay for new rolling stock So why mention it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 23:13:10 GMT
By the way, before anyone brings it up, I know the managers bonus alone will not pay for new rolling stock So why mention it? Because that money would still be better going towards new stock or signalling upgrades even if it couldn't just buy a whole new fleet of trains itself. I'm quite annoyed TFL thinks its managers should get a bonus at the expense of cancelling tube upgrades but that's not up to me to decide
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 5, 2018 0:43:30 GMT
Although unreliable, I love the 92TS, they should go through a patch and mend phase if they need to (but not as long as the 72s have). The 72TS however have waited long enough. It's now becoming cost inaffective to keep patching and mending them. Ahem, forcibly retire London's last proper tube trains? Maybe as a stop gap for a few decades Tfl could buy cheap again... just as some C stock cars were 'cloned' in eastern Europe, so they could buy some cloned tube sized cars but retain the motors etc from the old trains? Simon
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Post by North End on Jan 5, 2018 1:29:32 GMT
Going on the news in the tabloids about seemingly only the Piccadilly Line trains being replaced, I think the 92TS and 72TS will have to be kept going much, much longer than originally planned. If the 92TS are replaced before 2040 it will be a miracle, so this work (patch and mend or otherwise) is necessary. As regards the 92 stock, a lot will depend on how successful the planned work turns out to be. The work is desperately needed, as the trains are at the point where they are dropping like flies now. TFL only have themselves to blame for this, as it’s about a decade since Metronet was taken back in house, and the issues with these trains have been known about for many years. Things should never have been allowed to get this far. The situation is a little sad as they’re actually quite nice trains in a lot of ways, but from a reliability point of view the 95 and 96 stock is in a different league. I don’t think the 92 stock will ever be wonderful performers no matter how much is done to them, there are simply so many issues with them, but hopefully they can be made sufficiently reliable that they see out their full life.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jan 5, 2018 8:06:48 GMT
Ahem, forcibly retire London's last proper tube trains? What makes the 1972TS "more proper" than any other Tube stock? I am intrigued.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 5, 2018 8:41:04 GMT
Ahem, forcibly retire London's last proper tube trains? What makes the 1972TS "more proper" than any other Tube stock? I am intrigued. Rose Tinted Spectacles. I used to feel that way about cars without power steering, automatic gearboxes, electric windows or 100watt sound-systems.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 5, 2018 8:54:55 GMT
Ahem, forcibly retire London's last proper tube trains? What makes the 1972TS "more proper" than any other Tube stock? I am intrigued. Last passenger trains with Train Line pipe, Westinghouse brake ?
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Post by a60 on Jan 5, 2018 12:31:03 GMT
The 92TS are supposed to get retractioned soon, no? Or has this fallen by the wayside? Long term, patch and mend is incredibly wasteful, because it’d make more sense to strip it all out and do a proper job, but as an accountant I also know that cash flow and long term planning are not really bedfellows. If cash flow wasn’t an issue then NTfL would have been ordered long ago, but now it also seems as if the three lines may have fairly different dates for the scrappage of their stock that ordering one type of rolling stock for the three lines may no longer be a possibility. Both in terms of cash and practicality.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 5, 2018 12:36:19 GMT
The 92TS are supposed to get retractioned soon, no? Or has this fallen by the wayside? New workshop for the full refresh about to start construction in Acton Works.
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Post by caravelle on Jan 6, 2018 0:10:15 GMT
Given that Couldn't TfL produce the panels with existing assets or, if the design isn't that good, procure a better one that can be produced with the currently existing tooling after some adaptations?
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 6, 2018 22:39:22 GMT
Ahem, forcibly retire London's last proper tube trains? What makes the 1972TS "more proper" than any other Tube stock? I am intrigued. Well.... 1973 onwards saw changes which were not always successful. The train cars were either longer, wider, had fewer doors, were not designed / created by London Transport specialists, etc. Simon
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Post by North End on Jan 7, 2018 2:55:17 GMT
What makes the 1972TS "more proper" than any other Tube stock? I am intrigued. Well.... 1973 onwards saw changes which were not always successful. The train cars were either longer, wider, had fewer doors, were not designed / created by London Transport specialists, etc. Simon One could apply similar logic to virtually any fleet: 1938 stock - the last to be painted red 1962 stock - the last to have a driver’s brake valve and master controller 1972mkI stock - the last to be fully silver and be designed fully for crew operation 1973 stock - the last to have a conventional camshaft 1983 stock - the last to be coach built 1992 stock - the last to have DC motors 1995 stock - the last to be built by Metro-Cammell (sort of) 2009 stock - the last to have end doors (and perhaps a driver’s cab?) Take your pick from that lot! Personally my favourite Tube stock will probably always be the 1962 stock, and I’m just about old enough to remember riding on it around the more rural parts of the Central during autumn and winter, as well as to Ongar during dusk or darkness - which for me is something I’ll never forget. However I wouldn’t say they’re the last proper trains!
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Post by Chris M on Jan 7, 2018 3:17:47 GMT
You can go back even further than that - the last to have end gates, the last to be hauled by a locomotive, the last to have wooden flooring, the last to have motor compartments, the last built to an all-British design, the last to be built following running prototypes, the last designed by the City & South London Railway, the last to be designed to be driven standing up, the last to be powered by steam, the last to be held together with sticky tape, etc, etc.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 7, 2018 11:55:26 GMT
Anyway, enough with the nostalgia - back to the 1992 cab ends please!
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Post by flippyff on Apr 29, 2018 9:35:24 GMT
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