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Post by Ben on Jul 1, 2008 12:38:33 GMT
So we will never see the Aldwych shuttle again, even if the DLR goes that way? (Predictable question )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2008 12:43:17 GMT
the new stock build will be 92 trains Did i read that correctly? Or am I misunderstanding?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2008 13:36:12 GMT
the new stock build will be 92 trains Did i read that correctly? Or am I misunderstanding? I hope that Towerman was implying that there will be 92 new trains rather than a build of 1992 tube stock!
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 1, 2008 14:55:31 GMT
I hope that Towerman was implying that there will be 92 new trains rather than a build of 1992 tube stock! There will be 92 new trains. The build of 1992 stock is to replace the existing 92TS on the central!
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 1, 2008 15:56:24 GMT
No!!! you can't get rid of the 73ts! Decent trains they are... no more 65mph runs down Crane Bank! Sacrilege indeed, it will be the end of an era. My career with LT began as they were being introduced in numbers in 1977. Back then they did a fair lick at the east of of the line too, before we resignalled it. Perhaps that was more perception than fact but they were smoother and more modern than anything else including 72 stocks. I don't believe anything better had been manufactured to run on LU since 73 stock until 95 and 96 stock. Of course I am biassed as I spent my first and last years with LT/LU/Tube Lines on the Picc, Jube and Northern although I worked on all lines for 20 years of my career.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 1, 2008 16:09:20 GMT
It seems so slow now on the Acton Town-Hammersmith section....time was when you prayed that the 38 Stock would hold together despite its creaking and groaning, the 1959 Stock would not come off the rails, and the 1973 Stock beat the Districts especially on the climb up towards Ravenscourt Park!
Boston Manor-Osterley was usually fast as well though there was no concept of speed. Sometimes the driver had forgotten about the flag switch!
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Post by ruislip on Jul 1, 2008 18:42:52 GMT
Given that The Picc is currently running at 24 tph peak and 18 tph off peak, I thought the Picc was 24tph off-peak (12 ex-Heathrow, 3 ex-Rayners Lane, 3-ex Uxbridge, 6-ex Northfields).
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Post by towerman on Jul 1, 2008 19:50:11 GMT
Sorry if you misunderstood,it will be 92 trains of new stock scheduled for 2013 and yes with TBTC there will be more trains in service.
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Post by c5 on Jul 1, 2008 21:49:00 GMT
Given that The Picc is currently running at 24 tph peak and 18 tph off peak, I thought the Picc was 24tph off-peak (12 ex-Heathrow, 3 ex-Rayners Lane, 3-ex Uxbridge, 6-ex Northfields). Off Peak 6tph ex Heathrow T5 6tph ex Heathrow T4 3tph ex Rayner's Lane 3tph ex Uxbridge 3tph Northfields to Arnos (except evenings) Peak 6tph ex Heathrow T5 6tph ex Heathrow T4 4tph ex Rayner's Lane 4tph ex Ruislip 4tph ex Uxbridge
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 2, 2008 15:18:30 GMT
Sorry if you misunderstood,it will be 92 trains of new stock scheduled for 2013 and yes with TBTC there will be more trains in service. They won't enter service in 2013. Every new type of train is always delayed!
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Post by ruislip on Jul 2, 2008 18:34:57 GMT
I thought the Picc was 24tph off-peak (12 ex-Heathrow, 3 ex-Rayners Lane, 3-ex Uxbridge, 6-ex Northfields). Off Peak 6tph ex Heathrow T5 6tph ex Heathrow T4 3tph ex Rayner's Lane 3tph ex Uxbridge 3tph Northfields to Arnos (except evenings) Peak 6tph ex Heathrow T5 6tph ex Heathrow T4 4tph ex Rayner's Lane 4tph ex Ruislip 4tph ex Uxbridge Am I also correct in saying that Cockfosters sees 18tph all day long?
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Post by c5 on Jul 2, 2008 18:38:49 GMT
Off Peak 6tph ex Heathrow T5 6tph ex Heathrow T4 3tph ex Rayner's Lane 3tph ex Uxbridge 3tph Northfields to Arnos (except evenings) Peak 6tph ex Heathrow T5 6tph ex Heathrow T4 4tph ex Rayner's Lane 4tph ex Ruislip 4tph ex Uxbridge Am I also correct in saying that Cockfosters sees 18tph all day long? Well, all the trains off peak except those ex Northfields go to Cockfosters. In the peak some trains terminate at Oakwood, I would imagine that 18tph still go through to Cockfosters, though I don't have the exact numbers.
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Post by ruislip on Jul 2, 2008 18:41:48 GMT
Do the Oakwood terminators reverse, or do they run into Cockfosters depot and stop?
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Post by towerman on Jul 2, 2008 19:39:11 GMT
2013 was the date given by the Chief Lines Upgrade Manager,who am I to argue?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 19:40:34 GMT
Do the Oakwood terminators reverse, or do they run into Cockfosters depot and stop? I believe they run into the depot.
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Post by c5 on Jul 2, 2008 19:42:21 GMT
2013 was the date given by the Chief Lines Upgrade Manager,who am I to argue? But they were also spouting out a load of other nonsense....
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Post by Oracle on Jul 2, 2008 21:36:07 GMT
Are there any Kings X reversers still? I am out-of-date!
I have to say that I am glad that the Wood Green-Barons Court 'shorts' went in 1979! I used to frequently wait at WG for a through train to get to Arnos Grove. It was just my luck!
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Post by c5 on Jul 2, 2008 22:40:38 GMT
Are there any Kings X reversers still? I am out-of-date! Yes. The first one (or maybe the second) on a Sunday morning on the west reverses ex King's Cross, headed to Heathrow. I can't remember if it runs empty to King's Cross though. There may well be some more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2008 7:31:44 GMT
Are there any Kings X reversers still? I am out-of-date! Yes. The first one (or maybe the second) on a Sunday morning on the west reverses ex King's Cross, headed to Heathrow. I can't remember if it runs empty to King's Cross though. There may well be some more. I've been on this train before after a night out in Ealing. Staff really have to do their best and make sure people don't get on this train hoping to go westbound while it's at the KX EB platform. It doesn't run empty, no.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2008 8:51:57 GMT
Are there any Kings X reversers still? I am out-of-date! I have to say that I am glad that the Wood Green-Barons Court 'shorts' went in 1979! I used to frequently wait at WG for a through train to get to Arnos Grove. It was just my luck! Reversing trains at Wood Green just takes too much time to be practical for anything other than service recovery. On the days when the line is closed Wood Green-Cockfosters, they have a member of station staff to tip out the train, and a driver hops on the rear cab so that as soon as they get into the sidings, they can come pretty much straight back out again. Normally the DMT and drivers waiting for their trains will also help tip out the rear of the trains to get it moving quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2008 14:35:46 GMT
Back in 79 there would be no tip out.......just a few people shouting "all change please" a few times and that was it! Continued like this until about 8 years ago (I think), after someone was killed at Liverpool Street.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 3, 2008 17:01:30 GMT
Reversing trains at Wood Green just takes too much time to be practical for anything other than service recovery. On the days when the line is closed Wood Green-Cockfosters, they have a member of station staff to tip out the train, and a driver hops on the rear cab so that as soon as they get into the sidings, they can come pretty much straight back out again. Normally the DMT and drivers waiting for their trains will also help tip out the rear of the trains to get it moving quickly. Isn't the reason they have to make sure everyone gets off a train before it reverses that you can't have a train with passengers on go past shunt signals. If they resignalled reversing sidings without using shunt signals, couldn't they save time by just having the driver shout 'all change', and also have a driver get on the back cab? Then you could reverse trains quicker.
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Post by Oracle on Jul 3, 2008 17:24:27 GMT
Baroms Court or Hamersmith Sidings are signalled for passenger moves so your suggestion makes sense. The siding line has of course been used for through running and also reversing, both with pax.
As to the suggestion about a driver at each end, this was I think done with the Marble Arch reversers in recent times, when all were sent via the siding WB. I don't think that when the Liverpool Street-Marble Arch 'shorts' ran years ago that they used two drivers but I may be wrong. Using double-manning would to me suggest that the crews had to be ready for the next train, if stepping-back was used rather than a dedicated reversing driver. In my experience in the past sometimes the driver or T/op taking over was not there waiting, or very late turning up. On today's railway this is understandable given the possible delays, meal break requirements, PNRs etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2008 19:23:43 GMT
Back in 79 there would be no tip out.......just a few people shouting "all change please" a few times and that was it! Continued like this until about 8 years ago (I think), after someone was killed at Liverpool Street. I have heard this before but I have always wondered how a reversing procedure can kill a passenger. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by District Dave on Jul 3, 2008 19:37:39 GMT
Back in 79 there would be no tip out.......just a few people shouting "all change please" a few times and that was it! Continued like this until about 8 years ago (I think), after someone was killed at Liverpool Street. I have heard this before but I have always wondered how a reversing procedure can kill a passenger. Can anyone enlighten me? Essentially the passenger panicked when he realised the train was going into sidings, tried to get out of the train using the inter car doors, slipped, and got squashed..........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2008 21:18:35 GMT
I have heard this before but I have always wondered how a reversing procedure can kill a passenger. Can anyone enlighten me? Essentially the passenger panicked when he realised the train was going into sidings, tried to get out of the train using the inter car doors, slipped, and got squashed.......... Thanks
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Post by metman on Jul 3, 2008 23:01:28 GMT
What are reversing facilities like at Wood Green then?
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Post by c5 on Jul 3, 2008 23:07:16 GMT
What are reversing facilities like at Wood Green then? Both ways, detrain and go to siding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2008 0:03:26 GMT
You can go in from east or west, but only come out westbound, unless that's been changed very recently; the training material I was looking at today (which pre-dated T5, it has to be pointed out) certainly said you could enter service westbound only. The moves are all shunt signals.
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Post by c5 on Jul 4, 2008 0:10:24 GMT
You can go in from east or west, but only come out westbound, unless that's been changed very recently; the training material I was looking at today (which pre-dated T5, it has to be pointed out) certainly said you could enter service westbound only. The moves are all shunt signals. I think you may be correct, in from both, but only out onto the WB. Like at Down St, but can only come out on to the EB.
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