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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 5, 2014 18:57:21 GMT
Recently returned from a weekend on the Island and noticed this on display at Ryde Esplanade - graphics department to explain- eagle eyed forum users to comment on drivers kneehole space- all other publicity seemed correct!. - Units 006/007/008/009 noted in use with 004 in the shed at St Johns Road split with (A end) 'pier head end' car up on jacks. I think the printer 'mirrored' the image, not to say the height to width ratio
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Post by metman on Aug 5, 2014 22:37:08 GMT
Yes the front has been flipped and I agree the cab looks a little tall!
Good to hear 4 units in use with work on the other taking place. I assume. 4 car trains were running?
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Post by roboverground on Aug 6, 2014 16:49:52 GMT
Yes, one of the trains formed 4 car 008/009 the other just a 2car (006) with 007 spare later changing to just two 2 cars in use (006 007) whilst 009 went into shed and 008 spare.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 22:18:17 GMT
I guess the image has been flipped by the page designer, he obviously felt it looked better with the info down the left side and the train in the position it is in. The artwork looks similar to that used by London Midland; maybe it's the same artist?
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Post by brigham on Aug 6, 2014 23:06:10 GMT
The driving position has been changed to the right, to ease recruitment of bus drivers or former Midland Railway men!
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 11, 2014 2:35:43 GMT
I've got another question for you all, regarding the 1938-stock. Did the Network Southeast and dinosaur liveries ever work together? Or did the dino's replace the NSE? I am asking this as a modeller, and the red Isle of Wight set that EFE made seems to be impossible to find now.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 11, 2014 9:29:30 GMT
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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 11, 2014 9:52:12 GMT
I've got another question for you all, regarding the 1938-stock. Did the Network Southeast and dinosaur liveries ever work together? Or did the dino's replace the NSE? I am asking this as a modeller, and the red Isle of Wight set that EFE made seems to be impossible to find now. In 'Tube Trains on the Isle of Wight' by Brian Hardy(Capital Transport)it states that between January and July 2000 units 002, 004, 006,008 & 009 were repainted in the dinosaur livery from the NSE, and 007 was O/S in May 2000 and returned to service after flood damage repairs in January 2003 in its 'LT' livery. Unfortunately the book does not show any photos of 'mixed livery' operation.
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 11, 2014 11:03:28 GMT
In 'Tube Trains on the Isle of Wight' by Brian Hardy(Capital Transport)it states that between January and July 2000 units 002, 004, 006,008 & 009 were repainted in the dinosaur livery from the NSE, and 007 was O/S in May 2000 and returned to service after flood damage repairs in January 2003 in its 'LT' livery. Unfortunately the book does not show any photos of 'mixed livery' operation. I have seen the dino colours and the LT livery side by side, and coupled together before. The thing is that, as lovely as the LT livery looks, it is very hard to find for sale. I have looked online, in stores and even e-mailed Bachmann about it, but so far no success. That's why i asked about the NSE livery. I do have the Brian Hardy book mentioned by jtuthill, but it does not really answer my question. Five units were painted in the dino colours and one in LT colours at about the same time. But i have no idea how many units they had at that time.
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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 11, 2014 11:25:27 GMT
In 'Tube Trains on the Isle of Wight' by Brian Hardy(Capital Transport)it states that between January and July 2000 units 002, 004, 006,008 & 009 were repainted in the dinosaur livery from the NSE, and 007 was O/S in May 2000 and returned to service after flood damage repairs in January 2003 in its 'LT' livery. Unfortunately the book does not show any photos of 'mixed livery' operation. I have seen the dino colours and the LT livery side by side, and coupled together before. The thing is that, as lovely as the LT livery looks, it is very hard to find for sale. I have looked online, in stores and even e-mailed Bachmann about it, but so far no success. That's why i asked about the NSE livery. I do have the Brian Hardy book mentioned by jtuthill, but it does not really answer my question. Five units were painted in the dino colours and one in LT colours at about the same time. But i have no idea how many units they had at that time. It might be a chore, but have you tried cross referencing the appendices in the back of the book? This might sound daft, but have you thought about buying whatever models there are available and repainting them?
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Post by John Tuthill on Aug 11, 2014 11:26:37 GMT
In 'Tube Trains on the Isle of Wight' by Brian Hardy(Capital Transport)it states that between January and July 2000 units 002, 004, 006,008 & 009 were repainted in the dinosaur livery from the NSE, and 007 was O/S in May 2000 and returned to service after flood damage repairs in January 2003 in its 'LT' livery. Unfortunately the book does not show any photos of 'mixed livery' operation. I have seen the dino colours and the LT livery side by side, and coupled together before. The thing is that, as lovely as the LT livery looks, it is very hard to find for sale. I have looked online, in stores and even e-mailed Bachmann about it, but so far no success. That's why i asked about the NSE livery. I do have the Brian Hardy book mentioned by jtuthill, but it does not really answer my question. Five units were painted in the dino colours and one in LT colours at about the same time. But i have no idea how many units they had at that time. It might be a chore, but have you tried cross referencing the appendices in the back of the book? This might sound daft, but have you thought about buying whatever models there are available and repainting them?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 11, 2014 13:14:15 GMT
Five units were painted in the dino colours and one in LT colours at about the same time. But i have no idea how many units they had at that time. Six in service, three on the scrap line, plus one that never entered service. The sources I have read indicate twenty vehicles (ten units) went to Ryde The first eight units enetered service in 1989/90 (all in NSE colours), with the other two arriving two years later. 009 was also in NSE colours, but the tenth unit was only used as a source of spares and never put into service, and I don't know if it was ever repainted out of LT colours. Units 003, 005 (and 010) were withdrawn by 2000, with 001 being scrapped in 2006 (this was actually one vehicle from each of 001 and 003). None of these four ever carried dino or "revived LT" colours. That leaves the six that are still officially in use today. (note - one car of the current unit 002 started out in unit 005) Of the rest, the four even-numbered units and 009 were in dinosaur colours and had dinosaur names (Raptor, T-Rex, Terry, Iggy and Bronty) but Unit 007 went straight to LT-retro. 009 did not last long in dino colours - some sources overlook it altogether but here it is with 006 in 2002 (with the withdrawn NSE-liveried unit in the background - the first photo I've found with both dino and NSE visible side by side, albeit only one of them is in service). cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/24021/manuals/Isle%20of%20Wight.pdf?t=1403009052martynhilbert.railpic.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=2892&lang=luxembourgishIt was repainted fairly soon afterwards to match 007 so that when a full service was required, there was an even number of units in each colour schehe and no 4-car train needed to be formed half-and-half. farm4.staticflickr.com/3185/2529211922_cf1062a9bb_n.jpgThe other four were repainted into LT retro colours 2007/8
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 11, 2014 15:10:24 GMT
jtuthill: No i haven't actually, but norbitonflyer just gave me the numbers. As for repainting the models, i don't have the equipment needed, nor do i have any experience with spraypainting. And brush painting is not an option. I have however found a red set on eBay, and i hope that i'll win the auction.
norbitonflyer: Thanks for the help! So the dino livery and NSE livery didn't work side by side as i understand it. Yes, i saw the photo of the dino train passing the withdrawn NSE unit, but that's not exactly what i was looking for. I did however like the time when the dino and LT colours worked together. And seeing as i found one red set i might model that once i get some motors in it. If i win.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 11, 2014 15:29:20 GMT
jtuthill: No i haven't actually, but norbitonflyer just gave me the numbers. As for repainting the models, i don't have the equipment needed, nor do i have any experience with spraypainting. And brush painting is not an option. I have however found a red set on eBay, and i hope that i'll win the auction. norbitonflyer: Thanks for the help! So the dino livery and NSE livery didn't work side by side as i understand it. Yes, i saw the photo of the dino train passing the withdrawn NSE unit, but that's not exactly what i was looking for. I did however like the time when the dino and LT colours worked together. And seeing as i found one red set i might model that once i get some motors in it. If i win. I have found no photos of the two liveries working together. How long it took to change them all from NSE to Dino I don't know, but there must have been a time, however short, (even if just overnight, and only inside the depot) when there were some of each.
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 11, 2014 15:53:25 GMT
True, but if they had been in service like that i think there would have been atleast some photos. I have however noticed that the dates don't match up on the photos that i have seen. The earliest dino photo i have found is from 2000 and the latest NSE photo is from 1999.
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Post by metman on Aug 11, 2014 17:46:16 GMT
I would expect the Dino livery change took place when each unit was due for a full overhaul so it is not unreasonable to consider that units worked together in different liveries. However, if the overhauls were carried out off season the work could have been carried out on spare units as suggested and therefore a side by side photo may not exist!
Good luck with the eBay challenge!
I personally intend to respray a NSE 2 car set full LT red so complete my 6 car train.
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 11, 2014 18:16:30 GMT
Personally in that case i think it makes more sense to carry out the overhauls off season. But if anyone, against all odds, does find a photo, please do share.
Thanks! My only "problem" is that i can't afford to motorise the set right away if i do win. But as i do have a motorised dino set at home i can just swap bodies if i want to run the other set.
Respraying is not an option for me, but i wish you the best of luck! May i ask if your 6 car train is also an IoW consist?
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Post by metman on Aug 18, 2014 17:16:03 GMT
No it is based in the 1939-1961 LT red period to make occasional 'test runs' through Harrow-on-the-Hill and overhaul runs from Neasden to Acton.
There will be either a 4 car unit or two 3 car units as oringally delivered.
The respray will allow me to eleviate the following problems:
Removal of the fat handrails Removal of the door fault lights Addition of butterfly cocks Insertion of standard stock trailer the same colour! Provision of 1949 UNDM using red sprayed 1959/62 NDM
So just a small project then....
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 18, 2014 19:36:49 GMT
Sounds like you've got it all planned out. Are you going to post any photos of the result by any chance?
As for the eBay auction, there are still a few hours to go, but i am now in second place. I don't know for sure if i'll go further or not as John Polley informed me via e-mail that he intends to respray some cars into the red IoW colours and sell them.
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Post by metman on Aug 18, 2014 20:38:08 GMT
I will put some photos up for sure but they will be in a modelling thread.
Back on topic I would also like to see photos of the NSE livery running with the dinos!
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 18, 2014 21:12:26 GMT
Of course. Looking forward to seeing them!
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 18, 2014 23:22:21 GMT
Good luck with the eBay challenge! Just a little FYI, um... I won. It was a bit more expensive than i hoped, but i won.
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 24, 2014 18:27:02 GMT
Lovely. Thanks for sharing, David!
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 24, 2014 18:44:26 GMT
To bring my views of the Island Line stock up-to-date, I hope you will all like these pictures from this week: Brading by DH73., on Flickr Absolutely love this picture. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 23:11:07 GMT
To bring my views of the Island Line stock up-to-date, I hope you will all like these pictures from this week: Brading by DH73., on Flickr Absolutely love this picture. Thanks for sharing. Thanks Paul
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 22:29:18 GMT
Arn't the 73ts cars too long for the curves in Ryde Tunnel?
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 26, 2014 22:40:01 GMT
I was originally going to ask if the Class 03 switchers were still on the island, but i found out thanks to Wikipedia that they are both back on the mainland. So instead, while it may not be LU related but still IoW related, i ask you: does anyone know when they left the island? Also, i read that they were used to haul overnight trains on the line. What kind of train would that be? Arn't the 73ts cars too long for the curves in Ryde Tunnel? I've heard the same thing, but at the same time i've always assumed that all post-1938 stock have been almost the same length.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 22:48:07 GMT
I was originally going to ask if the Class 03 switchers were still on the island, but i found out thanks to Wikipedia that they are both back on the mainland. So instead, while it may not be LU related but still IoW related, i ask you: does anyone know when they left the island? Also, i read that they were used to haul overnight trains on the line. What kind of train would that be? Arn't the 73ts cars too long for the curves in Ryde Tunnel? I've heard the same thing, but at the same time i've always assumed that all post-1938 stock have been almost the same length. Would assume any sort of overnight train hauled by an 03 would be an engineers train! Carrying ballast and other P-way bits! Nono, only the 73,83, 96 and 95 stock are of the longer car type. 59,62, 67, 72, 92 and 09 stock cars are all 'standard' length.
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Post by The Tram Man on Aug 26, 2014 23:29:28 GMT
Would assume any sort of overnight train hauled by an 03 would be an engineers train! Carrying ballast and other P-way bits! Ok, so not any kind of passenger trains like i thought. I mean, i know they were used for enginering work, but those words got me wondering. Nono, only the 73,83, 96 and 95 stock are of the longer car type. 59,62, 67, 72, 92 and 09 stock cars are all 'standard' length. I see. Is it a big difference, or is it just a matter of a inches, a foot maybe? My knowledge of this kind of stuff isn't very good.
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