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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 16:09:08 GMT
There are rumours circlating that the 67s are going to Eastleigh to replace the 38s on the Isle of Wight. I for one believe this is a good thing: the 38s are too old for it now, while the 67s could potentially have a few years life left in them for the job. Plus it would get the 67s running again, that last day in June was very sad, as I didn't know all these trains would be saved. I thought it would just be the one at Acton saved.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 14:42:58 GMT
Plus it would get the 67s running again, that last day in June was very sad, as I didn't know all these trains would be saved. I thought it would just be the one at Acton saved. There more saved then just the one at Acton already. There the one at the Pump House Museum. Got shown around the other day got a short video of it with lights on etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 15:00:01 GMT
Plus it would get the 67s running again, that last day in June was very sad, as I didn't know all these trains would be saved. I thought it would just be the one at Acton saved. There more saved then just the one at Acton already. There the one at the Pump House Museum. Got shown around the other day got a short video of it with lights on etc The one at the Pump House Museum was scrapped at the end of the sites lease. According to Wikipedia. Just found out that the unrefuribished one was scrapped. The purepose of the ones at Eastleigh are still eluding me though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 22:21:05 GMT
@harrowrail Was the MA running?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 8:36:49 GMT
there was one at West Ruislip Depot when I was last on the central line I think. Just remember it was a four car.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 10:38:56 GMT
What's annoying is that Wikipedia only say the one at Acton is there, when there is in fact a very large number scattered about. I honestly do not know why I belive that site sometimes.
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Post by SE13 on Dec 29, 2011 10:55:02 GMT
What's annoying is that Wikipedia only say the one at Acton is there, when there is in fact a very large number scattered about. I honestly do not know why I belive that site sometimes. Wiki can be edited, and isn't always reliable. However, should you have correct info, one of our members here is part of the admin team on Wiki
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 18:12:40 GMT
Don't always believe what you see on Wikipedia! - I am surprised that nobody has (Yet) wrote - "Perhaps they might install automatic train operating apparatus on the IOW railway, to enable the 1967 trains to run?"
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Post by br7mt on Dec 29, 2011 21:42:44 GMT
Well there is plenty of kit from the Victoria line to resignal it with ;D Regards, Dan
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Post by phillw48 on Dec 29, 2011 21:50:55 GMT
Would ATO be safe on the Isle of Wight. Public access to a tube tunnel is limited but a line in open country is far easier to trespass on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 10:06:57 GMT
Does anyone here know why the lights on 3067 are left on all the time at Ruislip Depot?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 11:27:43 GMT
Underground News says that the Eastleigh trains are there for 'storage' which could either mean future use or inevitable scrappage.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 30, 2011 11:53:43 GMT
Underground News says that the Eastleigh trains are there for 'storage' which could either mean future use or inevitable scrappage. Presumably they must be earmarked for some future use, otherwise why go to the trouble of storing them? Interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 14:33:25 GMT
But look at what happened to the stored 83's; most of them ended up as baked bean cans in the end.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 30, 2011 15:18:12 GMT
But look at what happened to the stored 83's; most of them ended up as baked bean cans in the end. Yes, but these were kept with a specific reason in mind, namely for possible use on the Piccadilly line, although that plan never came to fruition. There has to be some plan for the future use of the 67's, even if it is being kept under wraps for now.
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Post by SE13 on Dec 30, 2011 15:26:52 GMT
But look at what happened to the stored 83's; most of them ended up as baked bean cans in the end. There was originally a plan for them, and let's face it, they weren't exactly in secured compounds.
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Post by North End on Dec 30, 2011 17:39:40 GMT
But look at what happened to the stored 83's; most of them ended up as baked bean cans in the end. That's not an entirely similar comparison. The 67 stock, and particularly the 72MkI stock cars, are effectively "go anywhere". The 83 stock were only passed for the Jubilee Line and associated lines and so were much less useful. They also had a lot of non-standard equipment. Most of the stored 67/72 stock cars will most likely end up being scrapped in the long term without seeing further use, however in the meantime may provide a useful source of spares for the Bakerloo Line, or in a few cases may end up part of the engineers fleet. At least being stored at Eastleigh, there won't be a need for expensive crane operations or in a few years the cars are difficult to dispose of (e.g. South Harrow!).
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Post by metman on Dec 30, 2011 19:37:23 GMT
How many cars of 67ts are left?
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Post by North End on Jan 5, 2012 3:24:45 GMT
But look at what happened to the stored 83's; most of them ended up as baked bean cans in the end. Yes, but these were kept with a specific reason in mind, namely for possible use on the Piccadilly line, although that plan never came to fruition. There has to be some plan for the future use of the 67's, even if it is being kept under wraps for now. The plan is for a number of cars to be stored at Eastleigh, pending a decision on whether to proceed with making up 2x extra trains to increase the peak service on the Bakerloo Line. An opportunity to increase the Bakerloo service has arisen with the installation of inner inter-car barriers, which now means there is no need for trains reversing at Queen's Park and elsewhere to be physically checked before entering the sidings. The reduction in dwell times has removed a bottleneck on line capacity, which in turn has offered the potential to increase the service if additional trains can be obtained. The cars at Eastleigh are stored for 1 year pending a decision on whether to proceed with this project. No decision has been made on how these additional Bakerloo trains might be formed. There is the potential to release 1x UNDM car from unit 3299, but as far as I know the only other spare UNDM car is an unrefurbished and very derelict car stored at Hainault.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 16:32:19 GMT
Does this mean passengers can now be carried into Queens Park sheds?
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Post by superteacher on Jan 5, 2012 22:13:02 GMT
Does this mean passengers can now be carried into Queens Park sheds? Queens Park north sheds have always carried passengers, as trains running north of Queens Park have to pass through them.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 5, 2012 22:21:13 GMT
That's the through roads though, not the centre (reversing) roads.
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Post by metman on Jan 5, 2012 22:25:23 GMT
How hard would it be to move the traction equipment from a DM to under a trailer and turn it into a UNDM?
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 5, 2012 22:30:59 GMT
Does this mean passengers can now be carried into Queens Park sheds? BB29/31 are both discs.... (They're the ones at the Watford end of the platforms).
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Post by superteacher on Jan 5, 2012 22:40:01 GMT
That's the through roads though, not the centre (reversing) roads. True, maybe I should have read his post a bit more carefully. I suppose even if they don't need to check the trains when detraining, passengers will never technically be allowed across any disc shunt signal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 23:03:35 GMT
I thought the checking was to prevent passengers being carried past shunt signals happening, aswell as confused people trying to jump off and onto the platform via the end doors?
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Post by superteacher on Jan 5, 2012 23:23:21 GMT
I thought the checking was to prevent passengers being carried past shunt signals happening, aswell as confused people trying to jump off and onto the platform via the end doors? Also, shunt signals and the points and track controlled hy them have lower route proving thresholds (or something like that), lower than that for passenger signalled routes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 0:20:14 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 6, 2012 16:32:31 GMT
I suppose even if they don't need to check the trains when detraining, passengers will never technically be allowed across any disc shunt signal. Remember, that Operational Standards Notice 101 became operational from 25 Sept 2011, which allows exactly this!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 21:02:10 GMT
I suppose even if they don't need to check the trains when detraining, passengers will never technically be allowed across any disc shunt signal. Remember, that Operational Standards Notice 101 became operational from 25 Sept 2011, which allows exactly this! Good thing really, it was all a little pedantic from the looks of the original practice, though mind you they still detrain at Rayners Lane
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