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Post by cso on Jul 25, 2010 22:35:50 GMT
You saw 003, the alleged service train. Nope, a friend that lives in Watford did, apparently
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Post by Ben on Jul 26, 2010 0:07:15 GMT
Missing a trick here. TfL could sell tickets to an 'advanced preview' of the trains, say a fortnight or so before it hits regular pax service. Have it race an 'A' between Harrow and Moor Park maybe. £20 for a trip between Baker Street and Amersham with a travel card included.
There were tours of the system of the D stock and 83ts whilst newish. Seems like it could be a lucrative idea. And as if TfL couldn't use a good bit of PR.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 22:41:01 GMT
Have it race an 'A' between Harrow and Moor Park maybe. ;D I think the S stock would win!
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Post by citysig on Jul 27, 2010 10:47:43 GMT
Have it race an 'A' between Harrow and Moor Park maybe. ;D I think the S stock would win! It depends.... ;D ;D Line our palms with silver and who knows what the outcome could be. (Come on you lot, I keep trying to make a few extra bob on the side, I have 3 children to feed ;D ;D ;D )
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Post by prjb on Jul 27, 2010 17:39:44 GMT
;D I think the S stock would win! It depends.... ;D ;D Line our palms with silver and who knows what the outcome could be. (Come on you lot, I keep trying to make a few extra bob on the side, I have 3 children to feed ;D ;D ;D ) Even with 'S' Stock de-rated it does still beat an 'A' Stock. Primarily I believe because 'S' Stock is derated to an optimal 'A' Stock profile where as in reality the 'A' Stock out there on the railway aren't as sprightly as they once were. We departed Moor Park southbound at the same time as an 'A' Stock the other week, purely by chance you understand, and we 'wooped it's butt'. Ahem!
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Post by metrider on Jul 27, 2010 17:44:42 GMT
... It depends.... ;D ;D Line our palms with silver and who knows what the outcome could be. ... OK who paid up? When I checked the departure boards before leaving work, HOTH P5 was showing a train "At Moor Park" only two minutes away and another for HOTH P6 also "At Moor Park" just one minute away! ;D When I got to the station I just found the normal pair of A stocks however. - Or maybe they were souping a couple of A's up in preparation for the race? ;D (ok I know that was just a software bug, and at that range the software would not know which platform the train will be directed to etc...)
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Post by t697 on Jul 27, 2010 23:56:26 GMT
We departed Moor Park southbound at the same time as an 'A' Stock the other week, purely by chance you understand, and we 'wooped it's butt'. Ahem! Are you sure that A stock and its T/Op; a) Had the handle round in FP all the time b) Had the WF Flag up c) All 4 equipments fully working d) Average diameter or larger wheels etc... Or did you just suck the volts down to shift those extra 40 odd tonnes (of S stock)?
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Post by Ben on Jul 28, 2010 3:56:43 GMT
And for that matter, the 50mph limit can be more a concept at times than a rule!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 9:20:54 GMT
We departed Moor Park southbound at the same time as an 'A' Stock the other week, purely by chance you understand, and we 'wooped it's butt'. Ahem! Are you sure that A stock and its T/Op; a) Had the handle round in FP all the time b) Had the WF Flag up c) All 4 equipments fully working d) Average diameter or larger wheels etc... Or did you just suck the volts down to shift those extra 40 odd tonnes (of S stock)? Are you sure that S stock and its T/Op; a) Had the handle all the way forward FP all the time b) All motors fully working/not cut out c) Average diameter or larger wheels etc... I can't believe anybody could be kidding themselves that A stock is faster than S stock...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 9:27:13 GMT
I saw a S stock snaking out of Neasden depot this morning whilst going by on a fast southbound. Exciting!
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 28, 2010 10:42:25 GMT
Then I'm off to see it!
I want some pictures!
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Post by citysig on Jul 28, 2010 20:03:22 GMT
Even with 'S' Stock de-rated it does still beat an 'A' Stock. Primarily I believe because 'S' Stock is derated to an optimal 'A' Stock profile where as in reality the 'A' Stock out there on the railway aren't as sprightly as they once were. We departed Moor Park southbound at the same time as an 'A' Stock the other week, purely by chance you understand, and we 'wooped it's butt'. Ahem! Yes, but my point (in a round-about way of jesting / trying to make some money off of assisting someone to cheat in what should be a fair competition) was that although maybe an S-stock could, in theory, beat an A-stock, one thing that both stocks have in common is their need to comply with red signals or instructions to hold. Therefore, should a race take place and (heaven forbid) a signal gets held at danger or (such is life) there is a need to hold one or other train via the radio, then, quite possibly, one train or other may have a slightly increased chance of reaching the pre-determined finishing point before the other - regardless of actual performance, but still going into the books as having "beaten" the other one. Now, hopefully we all have the idea, and, for those of you old enough to remember, in Bob Geldof style "Just give me the money!" ;D ;D ;D
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 28, 2010 21:28:27 GMT
Was unlucky today. Did Liverpool Street to Watford and Watford to Finchley Road. No luck.
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Post by prjb on Jul 28, 2010 22:14:17 GMT
It was out there today, I was on it. Keep looking!
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 29, 2010 0:09:20 GMT
I've been on the Met a couple of times recently, but haven't seen one. Actually I did, but it was hiding round the back of the depot.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 29, 2010 8:35:32 GMT
I'm going to trust Wikipedia and go to Wembley Park in order to see the train go to Watford for testing. A bit nervous considering it might be a hugh waste of time.
Edit: At Wembley Park for about 45 minutes with again no luck. On the way back I did see it in Neaden depot with the headlights switched on.
Lesson learnt: Do not trust Wikipedia if the reference is a YouTube video.
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Post by venice on Jul 29, 2010 11:34:51 GMT
I'm going to trust Wikipedia and go to Wembley Park in order to see the train go to Watford for testing. A bit nervous considering it might be a hugh waste of time. If you trust Wikipedia In service 31st July 2010 onwards
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Post by headshot119 on Jul 29, 2010 15:30:55 GMT
I'm going to trust Wikipedia and go to Wembley Park in order to see the train go to Watford for testing. A bit nervous considering it might be a hugh waste of time. If you trust Wikipedia In service 31st July 2010 onwards Dam I have to be visiting on the 30th don't I..........
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Post by den on Jul 29, 2010 15:31:37 GMT
How often will they be rolled out? It says they will all be in service by 2011. Does that mean by the end of 2011 or by the end of 2010.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 16:01:45 GMT
If you fancy a ride then Wembley Park - Watford & return as follows:
Sat 31st Jul - 1052 & 1322 ex Wembley Park (Staff & Family Event)
Mon 2nd Aug - 1033, 1303 & 1441 ex Wembley Park (Media Event)
All from Wembley Park platform 1 and fast to Harrow then all stations and return as outward.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 29, 2010 20:29:58 GMT
I assume these trips on 31st and 2nd are not properly in service: i.e. little me (not staff, family, media, or Boris Johnson) can't roll up with my Oyster and just get on board? Doesn't count as "in service" in my book then. If you trust Wikipedia In service 31st July 2010 onwards I don't* Remember when using Wikipedia 1. Check waht it actiually says 2. How reliable are the references to other sources? 3. What do the references actually say? Regarding the S stock in-service date: 1. it says "Driver training commenced in early January 2010 in time for a rollout on the Metropolitan line from late July 2010 onwards": it doesn't say that that schedule has been adhered to, and given the severe winter we had it would not be surprising to learn that it hadn't point 2: the reference is to the BBC (good), but is dated last October (may be out of date) 3. the reference has been misquoted: it actually says "Air-conditioned trains - known as "S" Stock - will be used on the Metropolitan line from September 2010. " *According to Wikipedia "the largest population [of ring necked parakeets] nested principally in Esher Rugby Ground (known locally as "Grists"), Twickenham."Thus confusing three quite separate rugby grounds, in two different counties - Grists is a school playing ground in Thames Ditton, not very near Esher and quite a long way from Twickenham!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 21:17:43 GMT
here are the times aparantly for this saturday:
Saturday 31st July ============ = - Train No. - 402 Neasden Depot (F) - 10 43 Wembley Park - 10d52 Pfm No. - 1 Line - FL Harrow-on-the- Hill - 11g01½ Pfm No. - 3 Northwood - 11 12½ Watford South Jn - 11/17½ Watford - 11 23 - Train No. - 402 Watford - 11 30½ Croxley - 11 33½ Watford South Jn - 11/35½ Northwood - 11 40½ Harrow-on-the- Hill - 11c53½ Pfm No. - 6 Line - FL Wembley Park - 12d02 Pfm No. - 6 Neasden Depot (N) - 12 08 - Train No. - 402 Neasden Depot (F) - 13 13 Wembley Park - 13d22 Pfm No. - 1 Line - FL Harrow-on-the- Hill - 13g31½ Pfm No. - 3 Northwood - 11 42½ Watford South Jn - 11/47½ Watford - 13 53 - Train No. - 402 Watford - 14 00½ Croxley - 14 03½ Watford South Jn - 14/05½ Northwood - 14 10½ Harrow-on-the- Hill - 14c23½ Pfm No. - 6 Line - FL Wembley Park - 14d32 Pfm No. - 6 Neasden Depot (N) - 14 38 -
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 29, 2010 21:57:38 GMT
Ah I'm making a personal timetable thing for myself for Saturday however can anyone confirm if the train is stopping at stations between HOTH and Watford?
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Post by Phil on Jul 29, 2010 22:26:35 GMT
Ah I'm making a personal timetable thing for myself for Saturday however can anyone confirm if the train is stopping at stations between HOTH and Watford? Nobody can confirm anything. If you want to trust unofficial stuff posted elsewhere on the net, that's up to you, but as far as the forum is concerned there are no official timings posted for any trip any time.
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Post by citysig on Jul 29, 2010 22:41:51 GMT
All I will say is that the chances of everything running as posted on here are probably now rather slimmer than they were. I think a couple of people need to remember how to exercise restraint.
I think some will recall that delivery of the first train was postponed because too many people had spouted off too much information.
By the way, I am one of controllers on duty on Saturday and Monday and it can simply be down to our word whether it runs or stays in depot due to safety concerns.
You have been warned.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 29, 2010 22:49:33 GMT
Of course. Completely understandable
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Post by andypurk on Jul 29, 2010 22:53:34 GMT
All I will say is that the chances of everything running as posted on here are probably now rather slimmer than they were. I think a couple of people need to remember how to exercise restraint. It does have to be said that I saw the Monday timings posted elsewhere at least a couple of hours before any timings (for either Saturday or Monday) were posted here. Edit to say: not condoning the posting of timings here if this is against the forum rules.
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Post by 21146 on Jul 29, 2010 22:56:41 GMT
My own grapevine has brought up various times/proposals for the first passenger train. Given the 'politics' of it all, and to protect/maintain my sources, I decided to sit on the info, clearly to the Moderators' approval it seems! Although the suggested dates/times I have are more convenient than was the case with the first 09TS, I'm not sure the Met risks being 'mobbed out'. With all due respect, it's not exactly Tornado!
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Post by citysig on Jul 29, 2010 23:02:19 GMT
Edit to say: not condoning the posting of timings here if this is against the forum rules. There are times when it is OK to post certain timings of certain workings, and those who have the timings in their possession "should" know how to use their discretion, and neither breach forum rules or our security. After all, timetable notices are not distributed freely amongst the public, and some are not even distributed company-wide but are sent to only a select few who need them.
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Post by venice on Jul 30, 2010 1:56:46 GMT
I assume these trips on 31st and 2nd are not properly in service: i.e. little me (not staff, family, media, or Boris Johnson) can't roll up with my Oyster and just get on board? Doesn't count as "in service" in my book then. If you trust Wikipedia In service 31st July 2010 onwards I don't* I am sorry, I should have been clearer when i wrote "if you believe wikipedia" wikipedia is a good way to find references on a subject, and can give you a general overview. It should never be considered an authoritative source of information. personally I would have been surprised if had got it right and the first train had run on the 31 July, especially as on this site, those in the know have not been willing to give an approximate date. after all, if you cant trust wikipedia, who can you trust. next you will tell me some politicians can be economical with the truth, never let reality get in the way as they tell me what they want me to believe. But like wikipedia, they would never Lie? ;D
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