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Post by prjb on Dec 9, 2009 22:58:56 GMT
. Just for the record - Last nights testing, along with some other future dates, was cancelled before this incident occured. That is indeed strange, as we got a call just before 20.00 to say it was cancelled due to the previous nights problems. ;D Whilst there has been a lot of 'head scratching' and general checking after the aforementioned incident, the project is slightly ahead of the test program and as such some nights were already planned to be cancelled. In particular there was some track replacement work which clashed with our testing.
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Post by knap on Jan 7, 2010 16:14:00 GMT
With the current bad weather, is it possible to see how the S stock copes with any wrong kind of snow or freezing condtions? I assume often in such bad weather it is not known how equipment will react, but is there a chance for the S stock to be tested somewhere in such bad conditions to allow for any necessary planning / changes in the future when they are in service?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 7, 2010 16:44:20 GMT
According to UndergrounD News, January 2010- car 21004 was sent to MIRA Nuneaton by road (from Derby) for 'climatic testing' from 14 October-7 November
this would probably entail some of what you enquire?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2010 0:28:41 GMT
Just found this thread after thinking out loud in the bad weather thread on the Met line forum the same thing, ie, the opportunity should be taken to test the new train as much as possible.
The MIRA facilty sounds like it might be the one Richard Hammond sat in a Citoen in to see what froze first - him or the car. Whilst you could get one (S stock) car very cold in it, it wouldn't be moving with whipped up snow being driven into places maybe it shouln't get.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 16:47:51 GMT
Just found this thread after thinking out loud in the bad weather thread on the Met line forum the same thing, ie, the opportunity should be taken to test the new train as much as possible. Now that all the bad weather has gone, it was out last night working backwards and forwards between Northwick Park & Preston Road on the Southbound local.
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Post by orienteer on Jan 17, 2010 16:49:27 GMT
The S-stock train was standing outside Neasden depot boundary fence on a track adjacent to the southbound Met yesterday (Sat 16th) just after 10.00am, as we sped by. Maybe testing the waterproofing in the rain....
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Post by prjb on Jan 23, 2010 20:35:07 GMT
With the current bad weather, is it possible to see how the S stock copes with any wrong kind of snow or freezing condtions? I assume often in such bad weather it is not known how equipment will react, but is there a chance for the S stock to be tested somewhere in such bad conditions to allow for any necessary planning / changes in the future when they are in service? The project team would have loved to get the train out during the recent adverse weather but unfortunately as engineering hours frequently got cancelled (to allow sleet trains to operate) we couldn't. I personally worked quite hard late in to the night (with test crews and BTUK staff all ready to go) on several different occasions to try and make this happen but it just wasn"t possible.
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Post by prjb on Jan 23, 2010 20:37:22 GMT
According to UndergrounD News, January 2010- car 21004 was sent to MIRA Nuneaton by road (from Derby) for 'climatic testing' from 14 October-7 November this would probably entail some of what you enquire? To be honest the climatic chamber testing was more about seeing how the Heating, Ventilation, and A/C (HVAC) systems coped more than anything else. It wasn't possible to do too much as we only had one car in a chamber.
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Post by prjb on Jan 23, 2010 20:39:11 GMT
Just found this thread after thinking out loud in the bad weather thread on the Met line forum the same thing, ie, the opportunity should be taken to test the new train as much as possible. Now that all the bad weather has gone, it was out last night working backwards and forwards between Northwick Park & Preston Road on the Southbound local. Yes, we were carrying out signal sighting with the Signal Sighting Committee.
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Post by prjb on Jan 23, 2010 20:40:22 GMT
The S-stock train was standing outside Neasden depot boundary fence on a track adjacent to the southbound Met yesterday (Sat 16th) just after 10.00am, as we sped by. Maybe testing the waterproofing in the rain.... No, the engineers were carrying out Electromagnetic Compatibility tests.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 20:56:03 GMT
Meant to post this sooner, but I got my first glimpse of the new train on Monday lunchtime, when it was stabled outside at Neasden.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 23, 2010 22:09:18 GMT
With the current bad weather, is it possible to see how the S stock copes with any wrong kind of snow or freezing condtions? I assume often in such bad weather it is not known how equipment will react, but is there a chance for the S stock to be tested somewhere in such bad conditions to allow for any necessary planning / changes in the future when they are in service? The project team would have loved to get the train out during the recent adverse weather but unfortunately as engineering hours frequently got cancelled (to allow sleet trains to operate) we couldn't. I personally worked quite hard late in to the night (with test crews and BTUK staff all ready to go) on several different occasions to try and make this happen but it just wasn"t possible. I may sound a bit silly, but is there any reason why the train couldn't have run if the sleet trains were running? Surely it could have been slotted between sleet trains?
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Post by metman on Jan 24, 2010 1:42:29 GMT
If it ran into technical difficulties it would prevent the sleet trains running and hence wreck the next days service.
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Post by 100andthirty on Jan 24, 2010 8:17:07 GMT
train 1 ran at Old Dalby throughout the period of snow. However that part of the country was, unusually, less badly affected than London
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Post by Colin on Jan 24, 2010 17:37:30 GMT
I may sound a bit silly, but is there any reason why the train couldn't have run if the sleet trains were running? Surely it could have been slotted between sleet trains? If I'm wrong I'm sure prjb will be along to correct me, but as far as I'm aware the S stock is currently only running in engineering possessions. What that basically means is it can only run during engineering hours - if sleet trains are running engineering hours are cancelled. So sleet trains running = no S stock.
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Post by citysig on Jan 24, 2010 19:11:38 GMT
You are correct, it is only currently running in engineering possessions overnight.
However the reasons we were given for its cancellation during the cold weather were not so much that it could get in the way of sleets (although that was an issue that could have arisen) but that it wasn't suitably equipped / passed suitable to be out and about on the frozen rails of the Met.
There was at least 1 evening where they were going to go for it, with lots of re-organisation for the sleets (I should know as I dealt with some of it) only to see management change their mind at the last minute.
Probably wise. Whatever the capabilities of the current train, it wasn't brought all this way to be a de-icer or end up caught on the ice - imagine the field day the press would have if that had happened.
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Post by metman on Jan 24, 2010 19:51:14 GMT
Yes the ES would have a great time ;D
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Post by prjb on Jan 25, 2010 21:06:14 GMT
I may sound a bit silly, but is there any reason why the train couldn't have run if the sleet trains were running? Surely it could have been slotted between sleet trains? If I'm wrong I'm sure prjb will be along to correct me, but as far as I'm aware the S stock is currently only running in engineering possessions. What that basically means is it can only run during engineering hours - if sleet trains are running engineering hours are cancelled. So sleet trains running = no S stock. Colin is quite right, the 'S' is only currently authorised to run during engineering hours. We also need to keep signalling section seperation for various reasons so inter-running with other stock is currently not possible.
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Post by prjb on Jan 25, 2010 21:16:29 GMT
However the reasons we were given for its cancellation during the cold weather were not so much that it could get in the way of sleets (although that was an issue that could have arisen) but that it wasn't suitably equipped / passed suitable to be out and about on the frozen rails of the Met. This is the frustrating thing for me. There is no restriction on the train running during adverse weather and there never has been. The Service Manager stated this to me (on the evening you mention below) and when I asked him where he had got this information from he was not sure, when I further pressed him for a copy of the instruction he could not give me one. The train has an Ice Mode, the train is fitted with working sleet brushes, it has an LU Operating Official on board every time it leaves the depot, and there are ice scrappers on board too. Admittedly it doesn't have de-icing fluid capabilities yet but it is much better equipped to deal with adverse weather than an A60. It also now means that the first time we take the train out in snow and ice it will be in passenger service. There was at least 1 evening where they were going to go for it, with lots of re-organisation for the sleets (I should know as I dealt with some of it) only to see management change their mind at the last minute. We worked really hard that night (as did you guys) to get that train out. Everyone was in place and we had allowed for every eventuality (we even had a Met DMT on board as well as the Op's Official) but it got pulled by someone who got 'cold feet ( did you see what I did there!! ) at the last minute. Probably wise. Whatever the capabilities of the current train, it wasn't brought all this way to be a de-icer or end up caught on the ice - imagine the field day the press would have if that had happened. You are right and the last thing I would want is to disrupt operations (which is why we always have Op's staff on the train) but it was disappointing not to be able to test it in the conditions that we experienced recently. The trouble is whilst I am confident in it's performance and capabilities, the rest of the railway isn't as familiar and is naturally cautious in consequence. Can you blame them? No, not really - I would do the same if I were in their shoes. It doesn't make it any less frustrating though!
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Post by deadmans on Feb 6, 2010 8:46:22 GMT
Not too much testing has been done recently!, ONE OR TWO nasty surprises have held things back.
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Post by citysig on Feb 6, 2010 9:18:41 GMT
It was out on Monday and is out on Sunday, so all is not lost. From what I have heard the surprises were not so much nasty, as inconvenient.
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Post by metman on Feb 6, 2010 10:58:52 GMT
Do tell.....
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Post by citysig on Feb 6, 2010 19:10:05 GMT
I won't. Best left to those involved with the project itself. Stops the rumour mill getting so much momentum it could be used to power the train itself.
But all I will say is its testing on Monday was smooth and trouble free from where I sat. Properly arranged working area. People who knew what they were doing. Finished on time and in the correct location. In fact it caused me much less agro than the rest of this week's other overnight works.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 11:31:24 GMT
20901, 20905 & 20142 booked to head South from Barrow Hill to Amersham next week, so presume another S-stock move to / from Old Dalby is on the cards....
189 still at Doncaster. 227 showing at Amersham on TRUST.
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Post by deadmans on Feb 8, 2010 20:35:06 GMT
A crack was found, (not on the trucks but more equipment related, i will leave it there ) plus more problems with the chevrons, ( they are moving too much - a problem found and known about from the new Vic line trains ) which lead to a entire team rushing to Neasden to pack them out, and the removal of the posi shoe gear to reach them. ;D
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Post by Chris M on Feb 8, 2010 21:18:47 GMT
What are the chevrons in this context? They're obviously not the stopping markers by platform headwalls if you have to remove posi shoes to get at them!
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Post by metman on Feb 8, 2010 22:02:55 GMT
Part of the suspension I would guess? Probably the giant rubber bulge that looks like a horizontal tyre?
Looks like the Met Line track strikes again!! Its like the A stock introduction all over again!
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Post by SE13 on Feb 8, 2010 22:27:16 GMT
Its like the A stock introduction all over again! Tell you what, you don't look old enough to remember it. Fuel at Acton me thinks ;D
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Post by metman on Feb 8, 2010 22:48:24 GMT
No I'm not, but I'm well read. The A stock bogies suffered badly at speed and the A62s had modified suspension with the A60s altered later.
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Post by prjb on Feb 9, 2010 21:05:45 GMT
I won't. Best left to those involved with the project itself. Stops the rumour mill getting so much momentum it could be used to power the train itself. Thank you mate. all I will say is its testing on Monday was smooth and trouble free from where I sat. Properly arranged working area. People who knew what they were doing. Finished on time and in the correct location. In fact it caused me much less agro than the rest of this week's other overnight works. We aim to please!!
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