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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 21:59:47 GMT
Not yet confirmed, but a fair chance that the 38 stock will be having a trip out on the Piccadilly and District between Heathrow T5 and High Street Kensington on Sunday 28 February 2010.
Date for the diary, subject to engineering work closure programme staying clear!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 23:26:57 GMT
Interesting. How would one go about getting tickets for this>
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Post by Chris M on Nov 26, 2009 1:41:56 GMT
Keep an eye on the London Transport Museum website is usually the best bet. Keeping your other eye on this forum is a close second!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 14:46:01 GMT
I though photography was banned at T5?
If so that will be an interesting problem for both sides.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 15:42:43 GMT
Not yet confirmed, but a fair chance that the 38 stock will be having a trip out on the Piccadilly and District between Heathrow T5 and High Street Kensington on Sunday 28 February 2010. Date for the diary, subject to engineering work closure programme staying clear! ;D The track closures for that weekend are: Hammersmith & City line: Whitechapel to Barking District Line: Tower Hill to Barking Circle line: no service Central line: no service Marble Arch to Ealing Broadway and West Ruislip Metropolitan line: Moorgate to Aldgate Station closures will be: Archway and Warren Street (Seemingly to the Victoria line only) Going to be a bit of a pain getting to High Street Kensington with no Circle line T-cup, but I'm sure the dedicated troop will find a way! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 15:50:46 GMT
I though photography was banned at T5? If so that will be an interesting problem for both sides. Generally, photography is a no, but it all depends on the Station Manager at the time. If it goes ahead, I'll give them and our control room a pre-warning, which usually does the trick.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 19:52:48 GMT
Will there be Districts on that day diverted to High St because of the possession east of Tower Hill? That would make it difficult getting a path into the bays there.
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 29, 2009 21:04:53 GMT
*wanders into library*
If its anything like TTN 101/09 Track replacement work between Plaistow and East Ham and Crossrail works at Whitechapel which had a similar suspension east of Tower Hill then it would be a bit of a fight - on the Sunday there were Ealings every 20 mins into the near bay and Olympias every 15mins into the far bay.
There were 6 or 8 clear minutes between successive Olympias (repeating pattern) - if it was so worked that the 38 stock nips in in one of the 8 minute gaps.
However, there will only be one Olympia ( Yes? Or am I really going potty? ), so I'm pretty sure there won't be a problem; but I can't remember off the top of my head what the service pattern will be for the Olympias - I suppose it'll be something like 30 mins as out-and-back with minimum allowances runs at something like 24 minutes; also for neatness the bays would be separated (unless of course the Olympia and Ealings would now stitch together into a pattern where the Olympias would swap between bays between successive trundles into HSK).
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Post by SE13 on Nov 29, 2009 22:20:42 GMT
I though photography was banned at T5? If so that will be an interesting problem for both sides. Generally, photography is a no, but it all depends on the Station Manager at the time. If it goes ahead, I'll give them and our control room a pre-warning, which usually does the trick. Good work  It would seem rather daft to send the 38ts out there, knowing the attraction is a photograph haven, then not allowing it! |
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Post by andypurk on Nov 29, 2009 22:31:00 GMT
Will there be Districts on that day diverted to High St because of the possession east of Tower Hill? That would make it difficult getting a path into the bays there. With no Circle, reversal in Platform 2 (the northbound track) is also a possibility. This manoeuvre is signalled as the '38 stock did it on the return from Upminster. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 22:55:16 GMT
While i'm pretty certain 38 stock has been to Heathrow T123 in passenger service in their dying days (and before I was born!). Has the preserved 38 stock train visited T4 before on a Railtour?
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 1, 2009 23:19:32 GMT
While i'm pretty certain 38 stock has been to Heathrow T123 in passenger service in their dying days (and before I was born!). I thought 38TS did run in service to Hatton Cross, but not T123. The extension to T123 opened in December 1977, and the first train of 73TS entered service in 1975. As there were only a few trains of 38TS on the Picc, I would have thought that they would have been replaced before the 59TS was transferred to the Northern, but maybe they might not have been if some 38TS on the Northern was in bad condition and needed replacing before the ones on the Picc. Does anyone know if 38TS did run in service to T123 or not? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2009 23:26:06 GMT
As there were only a few trains of 38TS on the Picc, I would have thought that they would have been replaced before the 59TS was transferred to the Northern, but maybe they might not have been if some 38TS on the Northern was in bad condition and needed replacing before the ones on the Picc. Does anyone know if 38TS did run in service to T123 or not? I used to commute on the Picc from mid 1977, and I'm fairly sure I never saw 38 stock on it. 59 stock certainly ran to Heathrow Central. Even if the Northern's 38 stock needed replacing more urgently than the Picc's, why would that affect when the Picc's lost its 1938 units? They could have been sent to the Northern to replace the ones on that line. |
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Post by ruislip on Dec 2, 2009 0:26:46 GMT
From The Piccadilly Line an Illustrated History by Desmond Croome, Capital Transport, 1998:
"the last 1938 stock ran ... on 2nd December 1975, and it was thus able to visit Hatton Cross for a few months." (page 66)
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Post by londonstuff on Dec 2, 2009 6:52:41 GMT
From The Piccadilly Line an Illustrated History by Desmond Croome, Capital Transport, 1998: "the last 1938 stock ran ... on 2nd December 1975, and it was thus able to visit Hatton Cross for a few months." (page 66) It says something to this effect on the Piccadilly Line Driver's Eye DVD, towards the end. |
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Post by Oracle on Dec 2, 2009 7:31:03 GMT
This was something that was queried subsequentlyas to whether it ever happened but it is now documented fact. I never saw the unit run to HC even though I lived in Hounslow West and commuted on the Picc five days a week.
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Post by elo10538 on Dec 2, 2009 11:15:04 GMT
In reply to irishunderground the LT Museum's 4 car 38TS has never run as far as Heathrow Terminals 123, 4 or 5. Also, without a little bit of work being done on it I'm not sure it will be running on 28th either.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 2, 2009 18:16:38 GMT
'38s definitely got to Hatton Cross after it opened in 1975.
I'll be surprised if it makes the T5 trip, as over recent years the "Picc Management" have been reluctant to allow it down the Heathrow branch for fear of this 'vintage train' ruining 'their' service!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 20:16:48 GMT
'38s definitely got to Hatton Cross after it opened in 1975. I'll be surprised if it makes the T5 trip, as over recent years the "Picc Management" have been reluctant to allow it down the Heathrow branch for fear of this 'vintage train' ruining 'their' service!  The 1938 tube stock is seating only, no standing and no luggage. The guard controls the doors, and has enough sense not to open them at stations, apart from the start and end points of a trip. So how does that argument work exactly? A problem they might be worried about is an abnormally large passenger build up on the T5 departure platform if there has not been a train for some time, but other than that, what is there to worry about? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 2, 2009 21:12:52 GMT
I'll be surprised if it makes the T5 trip, as over recent years the "Picc Management" have been reluctant to allow it down the Heathrow branch for fear of this 'vintage train' ruining 'their' service! So how does that argument work exactly? Are they worried the antique might break down? Can a '73 push out a '38?
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Post by Ben on Dec 3, 2009 2:00:18 GMT
Presspahn shields?
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Post by happybunny on Dec 3, 2009 12:13:42 GMT
How come its always a 38 stock for these special trips? Doesn't the LTM have any other type of trains they can use, for a bit of variety. I wouldn't mind doing this but it seems a bit of a waste of money as I rode the 38 on the Jubilee Charing X one in the summer.
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Post by elo10538 on Dec 3, 2009 13:49:31 GMT
I think the only other former service train that is likely to run in the near future would be the 3 car Craven Unit. Although there is always the possibility of further trips by 'Sarah Siddons' and the former BR carriages.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 3, 2009 15:02:24 GMT
I think the only other former service train that is likely to run in the near future would be the 3 car Craven Unit. Although there is always the possibility of further trips by 'Sarah Siddons' and the former BR carriages. Should be quite an invigorating ride, taking "Sarah +" to T5 ! |
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Post by Oracle on Dec 3, 2009 15:19:10 GMT
I am sure that there would be some nice grinding noises at Kingsley Road overbridge at Hounslow East well before then! I am sure though that there are no detectors past Northfields though.
In the past we have had Comercial Department trips using D Stock, 1967 Stock, 1959 Stock... so why not another service train one Sunday then?
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Post by SE13 on Dec 3, 2009 18:44:26 GMT
As an aside, and following happybunny, is there an operational (or workable for want of a better word) 59ts unit anywhere around?
Back to Sarah, she wouldn't fit down the Picc tunnels in Central London. Having never voyaged as far as T5 I couldn't say, but I'm sure there is a tube tunnel as opposed to SSL there, making that one impossible.
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Post by Tubeboy on Dec 3, 2009 18:49:23 GMT
Wouldn't Sarah Siddons smash the glass hoops at Hounslow?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 3, 2009 19:00:43 GMT
I am sure that there would be some nice grinding noises at Kingsley Road overbridge at Hounslow East well before then! Last time I was there, Kingsley Road was an underbridge. And until 1964 R stock managed to get as far as Hounslow West (albeit not the current station) several times an hour. So what's changed since 1964, and how far can surface stock get now? I am sure though that there are no detectors past Northfields though. CULG says that U-tubes are installed between Hounslow Central and Hounslow West, like those at Hammersmirth and Finchley Road. (and Queens Park?) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 19:45:31 GMT
The current list of permitted running routes precludes all surface stock going beyond Northfields (and the depot).
In post Hatton Cross/Heathrow days, surface stock did occasionally get to Hounslow Central - e.g. the two COP tours c.1977. I also "think" that a D Stock tour may have done same in its early days?
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Post by Oracle on Dec 3, 2009 20:00:32 GMT
Right..I am obviously misinformed...the other way round then..underbridge as the road goes under t'bridge!
Although O?P? and R Stock ceased running past Northfields in October 1964, there were tours that reversed at Central: the D78 Stock Tour was on 21st September 1980, and prior to that COP Stock tours on 2nd May and 3rd July 1977. Can't recall about the R Stock tour though.. in March 1983 was it? I believe I was on the latter of the COP and both the D and R Stock tours.
However subsequently when Lampton Road underbridge at Central, then Kingsley Road's required replacement, the cheaper option was chosen to build them to tube gauge only. I suppose the thinking was that Hounslow West's cut-and-cover was tube gauge only, so what was the point? SS stock is thus banned past Northfields though could run just past Boston Manor and then back again or into the Depot. As we know, C Stock has been down the locals in recent times.
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