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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 14:25:29 GMT
Postponed I am afraid, due to problems with the stock. Hope to try again later this year - watch this space.
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Post by panos81c on Apr 28, 2010 6:26:35 GMT
The 1938 stock did run to Hatton Cross during its final months on the Piccadilly Line, but never into Heathrow Central. There were only 15 trains of 1938 stock on the Piccadilly, it never had sole charge of the line.
I don't think that the 1959 stock has visited Heathrow either whilst in passenger service as, even during the changeover, services to Heathrow would be run by the purpose-built 1973 TS, confining the remaining trains of 1959 TS to the Uxbridge branch.
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Post by Tom on Apr 28, 2010 7:04:55 GMT
From what I understand there were a few 59 stock workings to Heathrow. I'm sure the people who were around in those days can confirm?
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 28, 2010 7:55:27 GMT
That's how I understand it too - can't confirm it from the WTTs or TTNs, because the type of stock wasn't declared - when the Picc went back to its own WTT from 26/1/70 all that was declared was the number of cars in each train - 7, 3 and 8, R8, R6 on the District side - numbers of cars in formation continued from WTT 1 until WTT 7, when the service was extended to Hatton Cross. Not even the handwritten C. 2 gave out stock information (The ABC series usually had slightly different information) After June 1975 you've got even less of a clue, as all the stock numbers vanish, leaving just the deicers and Aldwych shuttle as being notably different in the galley.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 8:11:24 GMT
From what I understand there were a few 59 stock workings to Heathrow. I'm sure the people who were around in those days can confirm? I can definitely confirm that I travelled to Heathrow and back on a 1959TS in the very early days of that line being open.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2010 16:26:06 GMT
1959 Tube Stock certainly did operate to and from Heathrow Central (as it was then) from opening on 16 December 1977. At that time there were still 20½ trains (the ½ being for the Aldwych service) on the Piccadilly, the last complete 7-car train departing Northfields for Golders Green on 10/8/79 (units 1020+1099). The last 3-car (1750-2750-1751) left on 9/11/79.
Furthermore, there was no stock distinction then, as to what type went where. All crews by then had been trained on the 1973 Stock. Whilst you could have kept the 1959s on off-peak self-contained services, this would have "gone out of the window" during the peaks, and the "shoulders" of service interval changes, when services were certainly not self-contained.
Going back to when Hatton Cross opened in July 1975, there were just four trains of 1938 Tube Stock left on the Piccadilly Line, and wherever possible were confined to peak hours only - they were then (on the Piccadilly line) unloved and unwanted. The last ran in early-December 1975.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 29, 2010 7:06:17 GMT
My first trip to Heathrow Central (on the opening day) was on a '59. I don't think the rostering separated the two branches - a train arriving at the NE end of the line from one of the wetern branches might go back to either of them.
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Post by mrfs42 on Apr 29, 2010 7:34:09 GMT
That certainly fits in with the impression I'm getting from the WTTs - same as the '38 stock to Hatton Cross.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2010 18:48:55 GMT
My first visit to T4 was in 38TS but then that was a special and of course that returned by way of T123 as was.
And before T4 loop opened to passenger traffic!
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