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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 22:00:47 GMT
We'll lose the outdated references to British Rail!
About time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 0:54:33 GMT
**spits coffee over keyboard** Pardon? An Upminster driver had a copy in his bag? You must have got in Aspect's cab as I can't think of any other Upminster driver that would bother!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL LOL !! It wasn't me ..... however you are correct Colin, I actually keep two listings in my bag .... the "in house" District list and also the master Metronet list, as that has details of the codes for every other station that may be closed ... D stock is capable of playing that information on approach to an interchange station with the line the closed station is on ! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by TMBA on Feb 27, 2009 9:08:06 GMT
**spits coffee over keyboard** Pardon? An Upminster driver had a copy in his bag? You must have got in Aspect's cab as I can't think of any other Upminster driver that would bother!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I carry a copy I got from you Colin and no it wasnt me either ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 23:48:39 GMT
While the station remains open during this final hour, I can't help but think that the Victoria line will become that little bit busier as a direct result, if that's possible.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 28, 2009 9:16:53 GMT
I don't think the Victoria Line will see that much of an increase, as it's really only going to be useful for those coming from the North who want to get to the western side of the circle, and almost all those passengers will I suspect already be using the Victoria Line from Kings Cross.
The mainline station is not closing so people who do not interchange to the tube will not need to change their journeys.
I think that it is the Northern that will take the brunt of the passengers who use to change onto the tube at Blackfriars, with people entering at London Bridge and Elephant and Castle from the south, and Kings Cross or Moorgate from the north. This will make the interchanges at Embankment and Bank-Monument more busy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 11:51:54 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Feb 28, 2009 13:22:08 GMT
Just caught a glimpse of the multi-coloured 319 "Thameslink Farringdon" running with a Southern-liveried one in green. Quite a contrast.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 7:34:14 GMT
Well I drove the first eastbound train through and despite no trains running all weekend the monitors and all platform lights were still switched on. The starting signal which was supposed to have been altered with timing sections so as to only clear when trains occupy the platform for a set time was showing green as I entered the platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 11:09:36 GMT
Was funny having contractors sign into the FCC station and when asked what they're looking at get the responce to check where we've got to stick white tape over the Underground signs at the weekend!
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Post by Colin on Mar 2, 2009 11:11:30 GMT
The signalling changes won't come in until all the hoardings and such like are up - there's a whole load of notices up in the booking point at Upminster, near the duty allocation sheets. We'll also be able to do 20mph through there if my interpretation of what's been put up is correct. I was rather pleased to note that my train this morning had a modified DVA (well it had been sat in Upminster depot all weekend) - it announced the DLR at Tower Hill, and on the approach to Mansion House/Temple (as well as in the platforms) in the appropriate directions, it advised the passengers that Blackfriars is closed and to walk from Mansion House/Temple. The only sour point is that the DVA still announces Blackfriars!! You couldn't make it up could you? Still, it all sounds good with 482 programed into the DVA and a press of the station closed button [to stop it announcing Blackfriars]. Pity the drivers were not informed about the changes to the DVA - note to whoever does this work: thanks for letting us drivers know........any chance you could keep us in the loop when changes are made?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 14:33:26 GMT
just keeping you lot on your toes dont want you drivers becoming lazy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 16:58:00 GMT
The signalling changes won't come in until all the hoardings and such like are up - there's a whole load of notices up in the booking point at Upminster, near the duty allocation sheets. I had seen these but thought the changes wer going in on closure. It would have been a good idea to sticker over the in car line diagrams as they had the whole weekend to do that, but the train I brought out still had Blackfriars proudly showing on all diagrams.
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Post by ajamieson on Mar 4, 2009 15:37:14 GMT
As a regular passenger on the District (Mile End to Victoria) I wanted to thank those on here whose efforts make my commute a pleasant one.
One small plea, if I may...it seems the District is worse than others when it comes to these re-recorded announcements and this has got worse with the current situation at Blackfriars. I appreciate the announcements are automated, but that is part of the problem: a constant stream of information about the likes of escalators Monument followed by drivers coming on to correct or repeat the information. At weekends or in the evenings you can add in the various line closures. And Cannon Street. And East London Line replacement bus services and the Thames river boat. And then of course there's the usual stop-start nonsense between Whitechapel and Monument that triggers the ear-splittingly loud posh lady who announces the bleeding' obvious (of course we're a red signal and we should be moving shortly...otherwise the driver would have said so!)
Between Aldgate East and Embankment it is like being trapped in some sort of post-modern opera featuring an incessant chorus of information. I did write to TfL about this but got the canned response about helping blind people (as if blind people aren't equally maddened by pointless or contradictory announcements).
Please tell me the announcements will be fixed before 2011! Going via Oxford Circus on the Central and the Victoria is blissfully quiet in comparison...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 16:19:04 GMT
Between Aldgate East and Embankment it is like being trapped in some sort of post-modern opera featuring an incessant chorus of information. I did write to TfL about this but got the canned response about helping blind people (as if blind people aren't equally maddened by pointless or contradictory announcements). Please tell me the announcements will be fixed before 2011! Going via Oxford Circus on the Central and the Victoria is blissfully quiet in comparison... I have to agree with you We now give out so much information that people just switch off when there's one they need to hear. Make the most of those quiet(er) Central and Vic line trains whilst you can. The trend is now to give you information on everything. LU claim, from surveys that this is what the travelling public want, when I'm sure most passengers simply want to know the train destination, any delays and any station closures. Blind passengers have been using the system for years before trains were fitted with DVAs and counted the stops, so that arguement doesn't really work either.
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Post by Ben on Mar 4, 2009 16:54:09 GMT
Station staff in most cases are sent to greet the VIP at the station too.
Would be an interesting question for a poll on here: Is TfL sprouting information polution out of every orifice?
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Post by TMBA on Mar 4, 2009 21:37:41 GMT
Can I ask why the hoardings have still not been erected at Blackfriars platforms? this could potentially create problems with PEA's etc because people are seeing trains slowing down to the specified speed at the starter and then taking off at normal speed! I know it may never happen but how many drivers have been stopped on PEA because someone missed their stop?
And why on earth have the depots not covered the line diagrams in the cars with stickers yet?
How confusing to the traveling public!
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Post by Colin on Mar 4, 2009 22:20:59 GMT
As I mentioned earlier in this very thread, there are a load of notices in the booking on point at Upminster, next to the weekly duty allocation sheets. These notices talk about the erection of a 'tunnel shield' "to be installed over several weekend closures", the signalling changes that will be made (station starters to become approach controlled) once the 'tunnel shield' is in place and that there will be tunnel telephones installed "along the length of the tunnel shield". So it's a case of all in good time TMBA! The in car line diagrams? Well that's just poor management, as is the DVA being modified to advise passengers at the station before to walk to Blackfriars then going on to announce Blackfriars as if it's still open
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Post by ajamieson on Mar 5, 2009 6:35:15 GMT
'tunnel shield' to be installed over several weekend closures We've all just endured several weekend closures including one over the most recent weekend, and what progress has been made? Very little that I can see. How many closures is "several"? I saw an updated line diagram yesterday, and some maps. Of course, with its increasingly autistic approach to information, TfL has decided not to put a red cross through Blackfriars on the map that would have been simple for everyone to understand. This is because the mainline station is still open, so instead there's a long paragraph in red text explaining that only the District and Circle are closed and that you can still get to National Rail services by using nearby stations and walking, don't forget to tie your shoelaces etc etc. I daresay this will be repeated on the PA. Twice. Until 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 7:01:24 GMT
'tunnel shield' to be installed over several weekend closures We've all just endured several weekend closures including one over the most recent weekend, and what progress has been made? Very little that I can see. How many closures is "several"? The weekend closures aren't specifically to do work on Blackfriars platforms, they are mainly for track replacement which is coming on in leaps and bounds, so although you see nothing work is being done.
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Post by Ben on Mar 5, 2009 9:49:47 GMT
Why are the station starters becoming approach controlled? Surely that slows down the potential speed through the station.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 10:48:41 GMT
I have now passed through on both C and D stocks. On the C, the DVA appeared not to have been changed at all but stopped working altogether after the train passed Blackfriars (eastbound). On the D, the announcements for all three stations had been aprorpriately altered.
As for "several" weekend closures, there has been only one since the last stopping train at Blackfriars yet - so we'll see what happens over the next few.
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Post by mcmaddog on Mar 5, 2009 13:41:17 GMT
The weekend closures aren't specifically to do work on Blackfriars platforms, they are mainly for track replacement which is coming on in leaps and bounds, so although you see nothing work is being done. Yes I did the whole section last night - the smoothness of the ride is unbelievable - well done Metronet
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Post by Colin on Mar 5, 2009 15:59:57 GMT
Why are the station starters becoming approach controlled? Surely that slows down the potential speed through the station. Well we can only do 5mph through there at the moment because of the short overlap on the starters. My understanding is the once the modifications are done, we'll be able to do 20mph through there - so in actual fact we'll be speeding up! Yes I did the whole section last night - the smoothness of the ride is unbelievable - well done Metronet At last someone is seeing the benefits!! I'm gonna keep repeating myself till I'm blue in the face probably, but weekend closures will continue until all of the track has been replaced throughout the entire District line. In fact the same applies to all sub surface lines. If it isn't done, you won't get S stock. Discussion on the pro's & con's of S stock are a separate thread, but that's the whole point of all these track closures.
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Post by Ben on Mar 5, 2009 18:05:25 GMT
Ahhh, thanks for that! For some bizzare reason I thought they would permit a higher speed through them at the moment. Terminology confusion aswell Fail.
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 5, 2009 19:36:14 GMT
Well we can only do 5mph through there at the moment because of the short overlap on the starters. My understanding is the once the modifications are done, we'll be able to do 20mph through there - so in actual fact we'll be speeding up! Why couldn't they change the short overlap, instead of making the signals approach controlled? Wouldn't it then it would be as if there wasn't a station there?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 20:23:55 GMT
Well we can only do 5mph through there at the moment because of the short overlap on the starters. My understanding is the once the modifications are done, we'll be able to do 20mph through there - so in actual fact we'll be speeding up! Why couldn't they change the short overlap, instead of making the signals approach controlled? Wouldn't it then it would be as if there wasn't a station there? That's a major resignalling job as the overlaps and signals ahead and in rear would need to be moved.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 10, 2009 11:45:15 GMT
. . . On the D, the announcements for all three stations had been appropriately altered. One downside of this nice upgrade to the D Stock DVA/CiS is that we've lost the: "Change here for East London Line . . . . . replacement bus service" at Whitechapel !! A bit premature i think? one step forward-two steps back!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 13:16:36 GMT
Due to a SPAD yesterday trains were held in platforms and I I was held at Blackfriars, I couldn't resist and had a wander about on the bare platforms.
I did notice the tiles have started to be hacked off now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 21:08:27 GMT
Ive got a picture of the ticket hall yesterday www.flickr.com/photos/mackenzieblu/3345272132/The former ticket hall is manned most of the time it seems by a guy at a desk for people to sign in. Like Blackfriars NR station the Tube station works seem to be 24/7.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 1:44:50 GMT
The station roof is now being removed you can see daylight above the tracks.
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