WTT for District 1950

Don't you *naughty word* dare! I must admit that I did begin to wonder after reading the fifth Met. TT in a row what on earth you were suggesting, however it passed a couple of interesting hours looking at the outer reaches of the collection that have been rather neglected of late. ;D



<wanders off into library> Fetches District and Piccadilly WTTs 47 (6/5/46) and 18 (1/5/39) - 18 there as a comparison. I'll quote the SE stuff from the '46 WTT, SO will muddy the waters and SuO was a separate TT (but as any fule kno had no uncoupling):

During the day:

Upminster:
‡ 2 cars of H and 2 lots of 2 car Q
†3 x 2 car Q

East Ham (Little Ilford):
No ‡ or † SE, but 2 x 4 Q † SO (so uncoupling did take place at Little Ilford, but only on a Saturday!)

Plaistow (Bay Road), Whitechapel, Cromwell Depot & Triangle Sidings, High Street Kensington (Bay Road):
No ‡ or † SE (or SO, for that matter).

Parsons Green:
One each of 4 car M (M meaning Metropolitan Line stock in this circumstance) H stock ‡ evening; different set
† morning - (ditto SE, though 4HM‡ am, not pm.)

Ealing Broadway:
2 x Q † am and pm twice, 2 x Q ‡ pm twice.




I don't know - I'm going to borrow the 1952 District and Picc weekday WTT and have a look at the pattern, the comment about the 3 and 5 cars was from a Met. WTT, so the stock (naturally) wasn't declared.

Hope this helps - to anyone else that reads this and is puzzled: † is the galley symbol for 'uncouple', ‡ is the galley symbol for 'couple'. ;D ;D

District Metadyne Stock as D is shewn as allocated/(un)coupling at Cromwell & Triangle, Parsons Green in the 1939 WTT.

Reading the 1939 WTT over lunch, the 2 + 3, that become 2 (5) are classed as 'S' - 'Old Standard Stock', I think I'll fire up the scanner when I get home.

The B stock would have been on the Putney Line by the war I guess, because they used to be on the Uxbridge/Sth Harrow shuttles until the Picc took over! So it was the B stock we think? Makes sense!

Right then - some bits of interest - the comments aren't particuarly aimed at you TP, but as I was looking through these WTTs at lunchtime I thought some others might find them entertaining. Apologies if they're really dull. ;D

WTT 18 1939 page 59

Bakerloo stock to Acton, ex Stonebridge Park, reversing in Earls Court; LMS goods train ex Brent; train 8 uncoupling at Upminster; note the two halves of Met. train M64 a/b following each other to Whitechapel.

WTT 18 1939 page 61

Bakerloo stock ex-Willesden to Acton, stores train ex-Uxbridge; LMS passenger train to Earls Court ex-Willesden. Note also how far apart in time M67 a/b have become, and M65 b/a have got transposed - they would originally have been Met. trains M65/M67 respectively.

WTT 18 1939 page 79

First of all look at all the non-stop codes, lower case are for the Picc. Single upper case are for the District west of Aldgate East, double for east of Aldgate East[1]; Train 75 shews that if a non-stopped station appears on the galley the hour figure is supplanted by the appropriate non-stop code: X 45 for Earls Court, EE 15 for Bow Road. Note too the 8 car 8N (1920 stock/tanks/'F' stock) coming off Acton Town as Train 58 at 5.29. This page is also unusual as it is one of three or four in the many thousands of Dizzie&Pick WTT pages that I have shewing a Met train to New Cross and New Cross Gate on the same page.

WTT 18 1939 page 81

Nothing exceptional on this page, apart from a timetabled move off the Met to Surrey Docks, most odd. This merits further research.

Anyway, enough pro. tem. I'll get on with the stock working pages and put them up in a bit. Enjoy!

[1] whenever I see the phrase 'East of Aldgate East' I'm always reminded for whatever reason of the fillum 'Krakatoa, East of Java'

Just got the scans. Wonderful. They are very interesting and I need time to digest them. I am intrigued by the odd DR 3-car set running around. I think I know the answer but I need time to think about it.

I'll be back! *off to have supper and digest scans - No I'm not eating them!*

WTT 18 scan p59:

Train 7 (5N) - What does the N mean? It could be New stock (O Stock) which was on the District in 1939.

Train 8 (6) - I thought they put the number of cars the train lost in brackets when uncoupling so it would have 6 (2) in the no of cars column. Did I misunderstand?

The Putney-Edgware Rd shuttles are 2- or 3-car sets. They were probably B Stock. DM-DT or DM-T-DM. I suppose they could couple to 5-car trains for peak hours. Any evidence of this?

The Picc service pattern is interesting. They do Wood Green-Hammersmith, Arnos-Hounslow and Uxbridge-Cockfosters; same as we used to do in the 60s except we reversed at Barons Court instead of Hammersmith. Also, the running time is 37 minutes from Acton Town to Wood Green. Now it's 44 minutes!

The District hasn't changed much either: Ealing-Man Hse (now Tower Hill); Richmond-Upminster and Wimbledon-Barking.

The Met. trains M66a and M66b following each other was not unusual. The Central used to do it. You uncouple 6 cars in the platform at Hammersmith (or elsewhere) and send the train on as two 3-car separate trains until the evening peak when the "a" train waits for the "b" train to catch it up and couple.

p 59 has Trains 56, 23, 54 as 3-car and 46 as 2-car. Looking at the running times, there were 8 trains running a 6 minute service on the "Putney Locals" as they were called. They would need 22 cars to run this. There were over 30 B Stock cars available at this time.

Not in service. The note says empty Bakerloo stock. The interesting thing is the routing through Acton siding to the EB Picc then over to the District just east of Turnham Green. The southernmost Acton siding was originally double ended.

Ah. Of course, pays to read the small print - I was going on the column header which only has ¶ instead of Ety..

WTT 18 p 61:

I wonder if the swapping of the Mets form a/b to b/a was because units went to the ELL and back. Maybe they reversed at Aldgate at times.

What is interesting about this page is Train 10 reversing at Bow Road and a Picc reversing at S Harrow. It is difficult to see a pattern to the services.

WTT 18 p 63:

Train 33 couples at PG - 4(6) as you explained.

Looking at Met WTT 65 (28/11/38), that might very well be the case with a/b|b/a swapping; however, thinking about it there isn't a clear cut pattern, because in this WTT a/b trains would couple at Whitechapel ELL - and generally stay east of St. Mary's Curve. However, I've got the matching District WTT to this Met. one - would you like the rolling stock workings for WTT 17?

Yes please. I am trying to work out certain patterns to see how they managed the service and the stock.

That I don't know - as this is from a District WTT - things might become clearer when I scan WTT 17 - I'll do Met 65/66 as well (even though you've got them in paper copy).

'M' means a couple of things in the District WTTs - against train number = Metropolitan, against number of cars - composed of two main portions.