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Post by jakehn388 on Aug 20, 2008 0:19:30 GMT
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Post by slant40 on Aug 20, 2008 2:26:18 GMT
That's quite a mess they've got there; when I visited , the station didn't look to be in need of anything major; but I guess it qualifies as needing an upgrade. I hope they aren't thinking of easing the Caxton Curve!
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Post by Colin on Aug 20, 2008 4:09:47 GMT
Whilst it may not appear to have needed an upgrade, the new shopping centre development outside dictates otherwise.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 20, 2008 8:47:55 GMT
Passing through the other day, the platforms were in the process of being tiled (white). Will be a brighter looking place than when it had the vile green colour scheme!
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Post by Chris M on Aug 20, 2008 10:05:57 GMT
Oh dear. I rather liked the distinctive green tiling pattern.
Why was there any need to replace this and make it into yet another bathroom?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 11:40:39 GMT
aw man
I like those retro eighties refurbs, now metromess are going to just cover it in that boring white tiling that isnt even origional
I should really upload my pics of the booking hall and the building soon
Im glad someone else agress with me
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 20, 2008 12:48:45 GMT
aw man I like those retro eighties refurbs, now metromess are going to just cover it in that boring white tiling that isnt even origional I should really upload my pics of the booking hall and the building soon Im glad someone else agress with me Whilst I agree in priciple you say that metromess will cover but don't they do as Tfl as for there must be a spec provided. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 13:22:55 GMT
Green and black with the red/maroon stripe was a bit dreary... I do however think that the current tiles going on, a la Lancaster Gate, look too clinical... that station looked much better before they got hold of it... old cracked tiles gave the place an 'aura' and I quite liked it. Still, thats what they call progress...  |
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Post by 100andthirty on Aug 20, 2008 18:12:48 GMT
A while back I passed thru the station and thought it was courageous to have a dark grey textured ceiling. I said so to a colleague who told me it was originally white!
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Post by Geoffram on Aug 20, 2008 18:54:18 GMT
It was indeed white - tiles and ceiling - when the station was first opened, then when the escalators were put in, it became the biscuit colour similar to Chancery Lane and St. Paul's (but the ceiling was still white). It was in the 1980s when they started refurbishing the most-used stations (including several in the central area) that Shepherds Bush acquired this rather strange green and black tiling, and then it was given a sky-blue ceiling. Maybe someone thought it gave an open-air feel to the station, but within a few years, the dirt in the system rendered it black, and as far as I know, it hasn't been repainted in the twenty years since.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 18:57:00 GMT
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Post by Tom on Aug 20, 2008 20:29:02 GMT
aw man I like those retro eighties refurbs, now metromess are going to just cover it in that boring white tiling that isnt even origional I should really upload my pics of the booking hall and the building soon Im glad someone else agress with me Perhaps before you start criticising Metronet for the appearance of Shepherd's Bush you might like to check the facts. Whilst Metronet has staff employed on this project (Me being one of them) the majority of the work below ground is being done by Morgan Est directly for LU. The decor has been decided by LU, most project disciplines are being managed by LU directly and the only significant bit of design work by Metronet on the whole station is the signalling and ATO works. |
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Post by 21146 on Aug 20, 2008 22:59:09 GMT
I believe that LU/TFL have decided that the original section of Central Line, or most of it. will be returned to CLR condition - i.e. the small rectangular white tiles. So yes, nothing to do with Metronet.
Mind you the treatment of Bethnal Green (not CLR obviously) was appalling. Seat recesses filled in, 'roundel' platform clocks 'disappeared' (stolen?), period enamel signs incorrectly replicated, Stabler tiles poorly replicated, modern kit installed on platforms, naff handrails on corners.
The exterior pole-mounted roundels look nice and 'retro' with under- and over-lined UndergrounD signs but I'm not sure they ever actually appeared in exact this form at this location.
LT heritage, safe in their hands?
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Post by 21146 on Aug 20, 2008 23:03:02 GMT
Shepherds Bush? One of the worst examples of mid-80s LT design. Frank Pick, Holden, Heaps, Pearson, turning in grave!
Just look at those cheap plastic 'bucket' seats! Many of these on the Central Line inner area were broken off within a few years.
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Post by ruislip on Aug 21, 2008 3:54:54 GMT
IMO Lancaster Gate and Bond Street were the two Central stations with the most interesting personalities. At Lancaster Gate I always thought I was in the "Batcave" from the '60s Batman TV show; while at the latter the sound of an approaching train on the westbound platform sounded like somebody roasting chestnuts on a charcoal grill.l
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 14:27:51 GMT
aw man I like those retro eighties refurbs, now metromess are going to just cover it in that boring white tiling that isnt even origional I should really upload my pics of the booking hall and the building soon Im glad someone else agress with me Perhaps before you start criticising Metronet for the appearance of Shepherd's Bush you might like to check the facts. Whilst Metronet has staff employed on this project (Me being one of them) the majority of the work below ground is being done by Morgan Est directly for LU. The decor has been decided by LU, most project disciplines are being managed by LU directly and the only significant bit of design work by Metronet on the whole station is the signalling and ATO works. jeez I dont know everysingle detail ok! , thought they were responsible for it all |
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Post by edwin on Aug 21, 2008 15:04:15 GMT
I believe that LU/TFL have decided that the original section of Central Line, or most of it. will be returned to CLR condition - i.e. the small rectangular white tiles. So yes, nothing to do with Metronet. Shame they don't do that with the Yerkes stations, which had much more interesting and colourful tiling originally. Anyway, didn't the CLR tile the ceiling as well? |
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Post by 21146 on Aug 21, 2008 16:05:04 GMT
Well it's a pastiche return to CLR condition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 16:28:15 GMT
Those are some great pictures there. Don't suppose you fancy letting me put them up on London Reconnections do you (and maybe contributing a bit of commentary on them)? |
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Post by edb on Aug 21, 2008 21:33:19 GMT
Actually though it is clinical, i think it looks quite good, i do like the pastiche of the CLR. IT gives the line some identity again.
Though i agree with previous comments, it looks like period features have been removed and replaced by cheaper(?) items.
What i do think would be a shame would be the loss of Marble Arch's complete tiled look and i think already Holborn is ruined by all it's enamel coating ( though that is old). The best old refurbs are definitely Charing cross and Edgeware Road.
Unfotunatly, the worst thing i see at the moment are the new Advertising boards(?) on the far walls of the stations. Sheets of horrid grey steel with tacky white steel gaps with the station name on them. Nasty nasty nasty. I assume this is all CBS not TFL or anyone else, I noticed that at Holborn and Oxford Circus they spent ages making the back walls look good. then covered them with this rubbish (at Holborn they painted a thin layer of white paint over the tiles that stuck out the top). This is rubbish rubbish and just looks so poor. CBS should be ashamed of themselves. clearly they are more interested in corporate identity, and then making the place look worse for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2008 16:02:00 GMT
some of the 1979 jobs were really nice like chx northern, bond street, green park etc
your right about the new cbs boards to
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Post by edwin on Aug 22, 2008 19:33:28 GMT
Actually though it is clinical, i think it looks quite good, i do like the pastiche of the CLR. IT gives the line some identity again. Though i agree with previous comments, it looks like period features have been removed and replaced by cheaper(?) items. What i do think would be a shame would be the loss of Marble Arch's complete tiled look and i think already Holborn is ruined by all it's enamel coating ( though that is old). The best old refurbs are definitely Charing cross and Edgeware Road. Unfotunatly, the worst thing i see at the moment are the new Advertising boards(?) on the far walls of the stations. Sheets of horrid grey steel with tacky white steel gaps with the station name on them. Nasty nasty nasty. I assume this is all CBS not TFL or anyone else, I noticed that at Holborn and Oxford Circus they spent ages making the back walls look good. then covered them with this rubbish (at Holborn they painted a thin layer of white paint over the tiles that stuck out the top). This is rubbish rubbish and just looks so poor. CBS should be ashamed of themselves. clearly they are more interested in corporate identity, and then making the place look worse for it. It's even worse at Piccadilly Circus, the boards overlap the tiling pattern and it just looks dreadful. Most of the 1980s refurbs were just awful, IMO. Especially considering they destroyed the elegant Yerkes tiling, which was different for every station and therefore lines were varied enough. The "decorations" Embankment, Piccadilly Circus, Goodge Street, Holborn, Bond Street (Central line), Kings Cross (Deep level platforms), Leicester Square, Waterloo were all far worse than what they replaced and have dated terribly. The only ones I like are probably Charing Cross and the old Oxford Street design. Marble Arch would look good if they ripped off the plain white enamel panels (and replace them with white CLR tiles) and kept the colourful designs where the seats are. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2008 19:45:41 GMT
Well, I have it on good authority, that at least at Embankment Bakerloo platforms, still retain the Yerkes tiles behind the hoarding; if you sit at the north end of a Northbound train, after the 'headwall' you'll see a small section of original tiling, hidden behind the hoarding headwall and the acutal headwall. I'd dearly love to rip off all that hoarding to see the tiles again, besides, thats what they were for!!!
So, if the plans are to return stations to as near to as possible CLR Condition... what about Queensway?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 22, 2008 20:08:29 GMT
Good point - although I do like the way they did up Queensway.
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Post by edb on Aug 25, 2008 18:38:47 GMT
Good point - although I do like the way they did up Queensway. Quite at least they tried to keep the similar to what it was. Shame about the rubbish steel on the roof!!!! |
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Post by 21146 on Sept 4, 2008 20:17:53 GMT
Tiling and most fittings seem complete at platform level today. Only a few roundels (covered) appear present so far. WB fence remains at platform edge, now removed on EB.
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Post by Tom on Sept 4, 2008 21:30:27 GMT
Well, I have it on good authority, that at least at Embankment Bakerloo platforms, still retain the Yerkes tiles behind the hoarding IIRC you can also view Yerkes tiling in one of the relay rooms at Embankment - it's quite common on the Bakerloo line. |
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Post by Tom on Sept 4, 2008 21:31:40 GMT
Tiling and most fittings seem complete at platform level today. Only a few roundels (covered) appear present so far. WB fence remains at platform edge, now removed on EB. They were removing it during Tuesday's AM peak - I think the only outstanding tiling is now around the new Emergency Stop Plunger positions. |
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Post by edwin on Sept 4, 2008 23:00:20 GMT
Well, I have it on good authority, that at least at Embankment Bakerloo platforms, still retain the Yerkes tiles behind the hoarding IIRC you can also view Yerkes tiling in one of the relay rooms at Embankment - it's quite common on the Bakerloo line. You can also view some of the Yerkes tiling briefly when passing through one of the tunnels between the Central line and the southbound Victoria/Bakerloo lines. It's only because the ceiling panels are missing because of the refurbishment there, though! BTW, what is the new tiling like at Shepherd's Bush? White? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 12:39:59 GMT
IIRC you can also view Yerkes tiling in one of the relay rooms at Embankment - it's quite common on the Bakerloo line. I think the emergency stairs/passage at Embankment were also left in Yerkes tiling after the 1985 refurbishment, and may still be (despite being a public area). |
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