Shuttles HSK to KO

they do the olympia to high st ken everyday train 151 and 152 is the shuttle but when the job goes up the wall like it has done this week for different reasons then they get diverted to cover the rest of the line

Now that's a question-and-a-half..........

I feel that the answer would only be forthcoming if there were another connection into Lillie Bridge nearby with the putative schemes.

Of course, there is the other point of view - would Lillie Bridge have developed *without* the connection at Addison Road - if only the 'old guard' hadn't squabbled so much about Cromwell Curve.

I personally enjoyed doing the HSK-Oly shuttles, as it gave me time to read my book and got plenty of excercise (I think I spent more time walking to change ends than actually driving!).

Of course back then, we could have a smoke on Olympia platform while changing ends, so I'd have to leave the station every trip these days! ;D

There were a couple of Acton drivers (one in particular - SC for those who know him!) who LOVED doing them and would sometimes even give away shorter shifts for them!

The best time to do them (and there was always a fight to get them) is during the fetish exhibition up there... ;D ;D

I've just read the 1967 peril for the intoduction of Programme Machines at Earls Court - and the only bit of information that seems to offer a clue to the limitation is: 'in PM control all trains arriving out of turn will be held at EC31^A, unless out of turn working is not permitted by the Regulator when they will be allowed to move up to EC31^B'.

There is also the need for (at least at the time of commissioning) successive programme machines to talk to each other correctly: S2 routes from Glos Rd to pfms 3 and 4 with S4 (reversing in pfm 3 from WB to EB; Glos Rd trains to pfm 3) and S8 (High St. Kensington and Glos. Rd to pfm 4). S6 covers departures from pfm 3 WB; S10 WB departures from pfm 4. S6 must get the correct TD and departure time from S2 and S4 as trains enter platform 3; like wise with S10 with S2 and S8 for platform 4.

At the time of installation, Glos Rd - plat 3 or 4 at Earls Court - Olympia certainly looks signalled.

EDIT: the only movement at ECt and specifically mentioned is the peril as not being controlled by Programme Machine and by 'push-buttoning' is any movement from pfm 3 to the EB.

There is no real bar to running an Olympia service to/from the city, but there's also no real point to such a service for several reasons:

• As stated, we're already at capacity through the city in the peaks - so to run an Olympia service through the city too, would remove trains from other far busier branches
  
• Other than at times of exhibitions, each Olympia train only ever carries a handful of passengers - the current service level is more than adequate
  
• The Olympia branch is single track, therefore it does rely heavily on trains running on time, all the time
  
• Late running Olympia trains can only be turned at Earls Court (assuming they've come from the city and arrived in platform 3). Turning short at Earls Court would make a mockery of running Olympia trains through the city, have a big impact of following trains and most likely end up not actually correcting the late running as intended - point is, a late running Olympia train can never be put back to time and will simply cause more problems overall than the current set up.

EDIT: In answer to the original question, no drivers duty has both halves on Olympia's - and the most that can be squeezed in is 6 round trips; there are only three, or maybe four duties across the lines four depots that are that bad and most only have 4 trips on average.

Admittedly though, it can be worse when it's only run Olympia to Earls Court during engineering works - but that's hardly an everyday occurrence.

I'm sure there are others better qualified to answer, but as far as I know, there are 7 Circles running through peak and off peak, so it will be District which from memory change from 17 to 23 tph.

No need to apologise - most questions here aren't stupid.......and if you're asking it, it's a fair bet someone else is wondering the same thing!!

You're a bit out with the facts there - call yerself a signaller? tut tut ;D ;D ;D
For starters, we don't really get any extra running time as such - longer turn round time at each end is more likely, if we're lucky.

There are 16 extra trains in the peak on the District line:

• 161 & 162 (C stock) on the 'Wimblewares'. H&C crews take them from Edgware Road to Hammersmith after the morning peak, then bring them back from Hammersmith to Edgware Road for the evening peak.
  
• 101 to 107 (D stock) go into Upminster depot after the morning peak, then come out again from Upminster in the afternoon.
  
• 121 to 127 (D stock) go into Ealing Common depot after the morning peak, then come out again from Ealing Common in the afternoon.

As mentioned, Circles remain the same throughout.

The off peak District service pattern is like this:

• C stocks Edgware Road to Wimbledon every 10 mins
  
• D stocks Upminster to Wimbledon every 10 mins
  
• D stocks Upminster to Richmond every 10 mins
  
• D stocks Tower Hill to Ealing Broadway every 10 minutes
  
• D stocks High St Ken to Olympia every 15/17 minutes

At peak times, it changes to:

• C stocks Edgware Road to Wimbledon every 8 mins
  
• D stocks Dagenham East/Barking/Tower Hill to Wimbledon every 8 mins
  (D stocks go to each every 24 mins in a constant cycle)
  
• D stocks Upminster to Richmond every 7/8 mins
  
• D stocks Upminster to Ealing Broadway every 7/8 minutes
  
• D stocks High St Ken to Olympia every 17 minutes

How come during peak the Ealing Broadway trains go to Upminster, when in Off-Peak they only go Tower Hill?

Also why do the D Stock Wimbledon trains in Peak terminate at some many different stations?

S5 S6 S9 S10 are not real machines but the signal ops think they are as they have all the same modes as a real machine but they are basically cards

this pic is the programme machine diagram for earls court

aetearlscourt.fotopic.net/p15106346.html

this pic is the programme machines electronic cards these are every card to do with S1 - S10 at earls court

aetearlscourt.fotopic.net/p15106342.html

these things are the bain on my life ;D

aetearlscourt.fotopic.net/p15106337.html

I thought I'd seen a photo somewhere on this site with 'Time Rack' on! Of course, I remebered that after pressing 'send'

Thanks for for that aetECt.

Can you remember the colour codes for the cards, please?

Edit: Have you (or anyone else) got a list of the ABCD(E) codes for the Earls Court area - would be quite interested to see them.

there is serveral colours used not just the ones u see i can remember 2 off top of my head N = yellow and P = Green

i do have a list of the codes at work but i can say the district does not use the E code no more there was also a G code as this is used in the prints for Gloucester Road but again is no longer used , the E code is used at the east end of the district for all MET t/ds (basically anything that went roud via liverpool street i will post the list tomorrow (monday) when im at work

Interesting no EMBANKMENT (or CHARING CROSS) on the EB. The ST JAMES'S PARK option would have gone long ago.

ACE! (if you pardon that expression inthis context )Thank-you very much aetECt. Much appreciated indeed!

Most kind - greatly appreciated!