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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2007 22:37:47 GMT
Anybody know what state the platforms are in now?
Also, how far beyond the station does the southbound [off P4] go?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2007 23:17:46 GMT
The southbound track ends at least one train length beyond the platform, while the tunnel runs almost as far as Aldwych station.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2007 23:29:21 GMT
Ends via an FRL?
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Post by North End on Feb 10, 2007 11:38:41 GMT
The operational railway continues roughly beneath the Strand, to a point one or two cars lengths beyond the junction of Strand and Southampton Street. The tunnels then continue further, ending roughly beneath the junction of Strand and Lancaster Place.
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Post by happybunny on Feb 10, 2007 14:57:33 GMT
The platforms are in a reasonably good state, considering. Lots of things are still there that you would not imagine, i.e. the Cadbury machine, the dot matrix, even the in-cab cctv still works perfectly. They have however disabled the PAC so you don't get an accurate stop or door control. And there is no chocolate left in the Cadbury machine either  I had to sit down there for about an hour the other week, got very bored and hungry so tried to get a dairy milk  no luck though all the platform signs remain in tact.. directing people to the other lines and 'British rail' the escalators still look in fine condition, I am sure that once when I was there one of them was working. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 16:48:17 GMT
The platforms are in a reasonably good state, considering. Lots of things are still there that you would not imagine, i.e. the Cadbury machine, the dot matrix, even the in-cab cctv still works perfectly. They have however disabled the PAC so you don't get an accurate stop or door control. And there is no chocolate left in the Cadbury machine either I had to sit down there for about an hour the other week, got very bored and hungry so tried to get a dairy milk no luck though all the platform signs remain in tact.. directing people to the other lines and 'British rail' the escalators still look in fine condition, I am sure that once when I was there one of them was working. Watch out for the Creep! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 17:44:35 GMT
When I did my SA training we went down there, and it's all quite intact. Wish I'd taken my camera now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 17:55:45 GMT
Well, if there was any choc left in the Cadbury machine, i don't think I'd want to chance eating it... Thanks for the replies, peeps!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 18:59:35 GMT
The escalators should definitely still work - life-expired doesn't mean broken, especially for machines that aren't in regular use.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 22:31:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 22:39:03 GMT
Well, given that the scissors crossover is a contemporary of Heathrow T123's scissors crossover, the two may have similar speed values - then again, they may not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 22:40:06 GMT
25 north, 15 south... I think!
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Post by alstom1996 on Feb 10, 2007 22:41:02 GMT
No I believe its at least 20mph both ways.
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Post by Oracle on Feb 10, 2007 22:43:20 GMT
How often do trains get sent down there?
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Post by alstom1996 on Feb 10, 2007 22:45:20 GMT
They go down there a lot, mainly for filming runs. But part of the Train op training on the Jubilee includes a run down to Charing X as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 22:47:22 GMT
Or if the route gets set wrongly!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 10:08:41 GMT
Well, given that the scissors crossover is a contemporary of Heathrow T123's scissors crossover, the two may have similar speed values - then again, they may not. They were built around the same time, but I think there would be some geometry differences. Firstly, the Charing X crossover is placed on a curved alignment, whilst Heathrow's is straight. Secondly, Heathrow's crossover was built with a switch diamond indicating a shallow crossover angle, whilst Charing X's wasn't. |
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Post by gavelex on Feb 11, 2007 11:08:36 GMT
Must get used enough, its still on the current WTT for the Jubby.
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Post by sm on Feb 11, 2007 12:13:53 GMT
just wondering, with ATO coming in in the near future, will CX be included on it, and with the improved signalling, possible to send, say, one train in 4 over to CX without hurting the JLE service?
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Post by happybunny on Feb 11, 2007 12:37:59 GMT
At the cross there is a 25mph speed limit at the crossover. Trains go in there quite regularly, Ie if a train is running late enough they can turn around in there, they would detrain at Green Park go empty into the cross and come out and go back north, hopefully running on-time by now  I doubt they will ever re-open CX for passenger service. Not if Canary Wharf has anything to do with it. They invested millions into the JLX and won't every single train going through Canary. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 15:29:50 GMT
Besides which, the marginal benefit of stopping some trains at CX is indeed marginal to most PAX. As it is, one can get to CX from Baker St using the Bakerloo.
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Post by sm on Feb 11, 2007 17:28:04 GMT
or atleast reopen the station for passenger use in times of service disruption?
that way they can easily transfer onto the bakarloo/northern or to mainline cx
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 17:30:16 GMT
if a train was given a wrong stick to CX and took it, would station staff at CX open the platform gates?
or would it just run back to Green Park... be fun if that did happen too!
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Post by gavelex on Feb 11, 2007 17:37:18 GMT
is there any rail conection from the jubby - bakerloo?
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Post by c5 on Feb 11, 2007 17:43:09 GMT
is there any rail conection from the jubby - bakerloo? No only at Baker Street if a train was given a wrong stick to CX and took it, would station staff at CX open the platform gates? or would it just run back to Green Park... be fun if that did happen too! They would usually be brought back to Green Park on the same train. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 17:44:32 GMT
at Baker street a northbound jubilee could become a northbound Bakerloo. This is a relic from the days when the Stanmore and Harrow (watford) branches were all one line.
Nowadays the 96ts can't operate on other lines due to the signalling interference and all that kind of stuff.
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Post by gavelex on Feb 11, 2007 17:49:00 GMT
Nowadays the 96ts can't operate on other lines due to the signalling interference and all that kind of stuff. plus ken would have an episode cos it would confuse the blind/deaf/weirdo people |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 18:56:25 GMT
at Baker street a northbound jubilee could become a northbound Bakerloo. This is a relic from the days when the Stanmore and Harrow (watford) branches were all one line. Nope, it's the other way around - a northbound Bakerloo can become a northbound Jubilee, and a southbound Jubilee can become a southbound Bakerloo. The reverse is not possible. Nowadays the 96ts can't operate on other lines due to the signalling interference and all that kind of stuff. And even then it's sphere of operation is limited - for example, a 96TS cannot run under power on the n/b main between Finchley Road and Wembley Park, as it knocks over the NR signalling on the Chiltern line. |
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Post by happybunny on Feb 12, 2007 0:40:36 GMT
I know of a Jubilee driver that was given the stick at Baker s/b onto the B.loo.. he realised and a release was taken. AFAIK the 96TS could technically get onto the Bakerloo, but apparently the stock is too long or something and would scrape the tunnel... so I am told. Also one time when going north on the Jub I saw a Bakerloo train going south, it was somewhere near Dollis Hill. The train had been to NEAD for work.. and was to return to the B.Loo line at Baker St sth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 0:42:08 GMT
the 72ii used to run on the Jub anyway so that's not a problem.
does this mean that they can't do any stock transfers from the Jubilee anymore?
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I had to sit down there for about an hour the other week, got very bored and hungry so tried to get a dairy milk 
no luck though 
I doubt they will ever re-open CX for passenger service. Not if Canary Wharf has anything to do with it. They invested millions into the JLX and won't every single train going through Canary. 
