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Post by prjb on Aug 16, 2006 18:28:31 GMT
I spent the afternoon on a private tour of the Museum Depot at Acton today. I even managed to get access to the archives, it was fascinating. Anyway, I digress! I know most of you will know this already, but I certainly didn't. They have a complete four car unit of 1938 stock in fully restored service ready condition. Apparently they are very frustrated because they just can't get permission to run the thing on rail tours. This is especially exasperating when you consider the sheer amount of money poured into this unit to get it back in such lovely condition. I am on a mission to find out why this is the case and who (if anyone) at LU is blocking this piece of history from running in it's natural environment. It's nothing short of a crime!
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 16, 2006 18:30:33 GMT
They have run it a couple of times before - to Uxbridge a couple of times one open weekend, and to Oakwood as part of a school party, but it doesn't seem to be too often an occurance. Hopefully you in your position prjb will be able to find the person responsible and hang them from the scaffold speak to them nicely .
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 16, 2006 18:36:43 GMT
Support you 100% mate. Been on it twice, Uxbridge centenary, and a Acton-Uxbridge and return trip.
We should be celebrating this train, not let it gathering dust.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2006 18:39:19 GMT
Exactly my sentiments TB!!! As to the Q stock restoration appeal, it would be a real glowing shame if this was restored to service conditions, only for it to be kept on shed due to the same probs affecting the '38.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 16, 2006 18:44:45 GMT
Its supposed to be running on the Bakerloo later this year [100th anniversary of the line opening] Hopefully it will do the Piccadilly as well, and the Northern [it did in 2003] in 2007.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2006 2:04:28 GMT
Indeed. I have ridden on the 1938TS when it did the Uxbridge centenary runs, and I also think it's criminal that it is immured on shed all the time.
If you really want to light a fire under someone find out about why it's off LU metals, you can find out why it was not permitted to run during the 150th anniversary of the Loughton branch of the Central Line...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2006 11:00:14 GMT
If you really want to light a fire under someone find out about why it's off LU metals, you can find out why it was not permitted to run during the 150th anniversary of the Loughton branch of the Central Line... Its actually on LU metals now, the minute it goes out, it isnt, maybe this is the problem??
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Post by mowat on Aug 18, 2006 12:39:44 GMT
I had a ride on it when it did the Uxbridge Centenerian in 2004 (and really enjoyed it), but that was over two years ago and it has not been out since. Plus it has only been used four times since being preserved in 1988, so why bother spending vast amounts of money restoring it to working order and then having it [glow=red,2,300]STUFFED AND MOUNTED[/glow] because someone won't give permission for it to be used? I am also annoyed that LUL have kept Sarah Siddons and the 4TC locked up in Ruislip depot for over six years since the last Steam on the Met event in 2000 and not used them once, surely it would be better to hand them over to the LT Museum and have them moved to Acton so as there would be a chance of Sarah Siddons running again. LUL could be making money out of the 1938 stock unit and Sarah Siddons and all they do it confine them to there sheds!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 15:47:32 GMT
I am also annoyed that LUL have kept Sarah Siddons and the 4TC locked up in Ruislip depot for over six years since the last Steam on the Met event in 2000 Im pretty certain that the 4TC set is no longer at Ruislip
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Post by Ben on Aug 18, 2006 17:14:09 GMT
i think lul has sold all the coaches they bought for the steam on the met specials
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 18, 2006 17:38:11 GMT
I think that is the case, yes, sadly.
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Post by Ben on Aug 18, 2006 18:13:49 GMT
Seems such a wasted oppertunity...if lul wants to have an herritage fleet atall then why keep them locked up out of site in various states of (dis)repair? It would surely be a money earner to commondere the woodford-hainult loop for a few summer sundays a year to run restored tube trains? In fact since that bit is ex great eastern, you could also run the co/cp and 'q' stock when they all get restored, not to mention the 't' stock if the electrics could be restored...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 18:52:57 GMT
LU is a very different beast than it was say only 5 years ago.
INFRACO's have no benefit in allowing specials, so for a heritage service to operate, LU will have to pay. Given the Infraco holds LU to ransom, then they can charge pretty much what they like (within certain parameters).
Thats before we get into the realm of railway safety cases and the H&S regime.
The '38 on Central Line metals, with all the problems of ATO would be a massive problem.
I'd like to see the '38 back on the Northern Line, before ATO spreads over there - perhaps we need to start a campaign to get the '38 over for 2007.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 19:19:08 GMT
I'd like to see the '38 back on the Northern Line, before ATO spreads over there - perhaps we need to start a campaign to get the '38 over for 2007. As ATO is intended to spread across the whole network, what long term future will there be for any preserved LU stock?
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Post by prjb on Aug 18, 2006 20:00:45 GMT
It would need to have ATO equipment fitted (just like the engineers trains do), but this seems wrong to me. A 38 fitted with ATO equipment? Blasphemy!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 20:21:39 GMT
A 38 fitted with ATO equipment? Blasphemy!! It would be quite interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 21:58:42 GMT
It would need to have ATO equipment fitted (just like the engineers trains do), but this seems wrong to me. A 38 fitted with ATO equipment? Blasphemy!! Your slightly wrong there sir! Engineers trains do not have ATO equipment, however they have central line ATP. The two bits of kit are totally different. A 38ts with ATP, isnt so hard, as the TRV has it, although it sometimes doesnt work, or has a bad hair day and brings the train to a stand!
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Post by Ben on Aug 18, 2006 22:08:06 GMT
So then there needs to be a dedicated line which lul owns and opperates, but is supported and maintained financially by volunteers as a charity. How much would buying back Epping-Ongar Cost?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 22:16:44 GMT
So then there needs to be a dedicated line which lul owns and opperates, but is supported and maintained financially by volunteers as a charity. How much would buying back Epping-Ongar Cost? Its not how much it would cost to buy back, it would be how much it would cost to bring it back up to LUL standards, as the current state of that line is far from that. It would be a case like when the W&C was sold from BR, as it was then, to LUL.
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Post by prjb on Aug 19, 2006 0:02:47 GMT
It would need to have ATO equipment fitted (just like the engineers trains do), but this seems wrong to me. A 38 fitted with ATO equipment? Blasphemy!! Your slightly wrong there sir! Engineers trains do not have ATO equipment, however they have central line ATP. The two bits of kit are totally different. A 38ts with ATP, isnt so hard, as the TRV has it, although it sometimes doesnt work, or has a bad hair day and brings the train to a stand! No I'm not! I deal with upgrades, remember? Future engineers trains will be fitted with multiple ATO systems in order to allow them to run accross different Infraco's ATO systems. ( It would need to have ATO equipment fitted, just like the engineers trains do, as in just like the engineers trains would need it) Yes, you could fit ATO to a 38ts no problem - what i'm saying is that it would be wholly wrong to do it though.
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Post by compsci on Aug 19, 2006 2:06:38 GMT
The Friends of the LT Museum have some people very high up the LU food chain pulling strings to get the Q Stock restoration to happen. They're currently absorbed with fundraising and planning, but if we end up with two beautiful trains in full working order which can't leave the depot they will start to throw things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 12:07:03 GMT
No I'm not! I deal with upgrades, remember? Future engineers trains will be fitted with multiple ATO systems in order to allow them to run accross different Infraco's ATO systems. ( It would need to have ATO equipment fitted, just like the engineers trains do, as in just like the engineers trains would need it) I read your post as though you meant current engineers trains have ATO equipment. Now you have replied to my post i realise what you mean.
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Post by prjb on Aug 19, 2006 19:52:18 GMT
No I'm not! I deal with upgrades, remember? Future engineers trains will be fitted with multiple ATO systems in order to allow them to run accross different Infraco's ATO systems. ( It would need to have ATO equipment fitted, just like the engineers trains do, as in just like the engineers trains would need it) I read your post as though you meant current engineers trains have ATO equipment. Now you have replied to my post i realise what you mean. Yeah, it was kinda open to interpretation!
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2006 19:57:20 GMT
I am not in favour of equipping the 38ts with ato, but if it was that or nothing, then I would pick the former, reluctantly though.
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Post by mowat on Aug 29, 2006 10:48:33 GMT
I am also annoyed that LUL have kept Sarah Siddons and the 4TC locked up in Ruislip depot for over six years since the last Steam on the Met event in 2000 Im pretty certain that the 4TC set is no longer at Ruislip LU had two 4TC units, one has been sold to the Swanage Railway, the other is still in Ruislip depot.
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Post by edb on Aug 29, 2006 11:49:02 GMT
I believe Sarah Siddons has some issues with a Motor Flashover see below from a old Thread. Greebings !! The whole point is that 1 of the 2 x 4TCs has now departed,(To Swanage eventually) and in Ruislip Depot now there is 1 x 4TC ( the one that has been used for push/pull tours and fitted with a tripcock for this purpose ) and one Mk 1 vehicle which is used as a heritage fleet support coach, as far as i know, all other stock has gone. Sarah Siddons is alive but injured, speaking to someone at LTM Acton the other week, it is suspected to have a flashed over traction motor, which makes things rather tricky for the immediate future. Charmed Phil
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2006 16:12:17 GMT
I heard from someone else at LTM Acton that the only problem with Sarah is open storage, and the deterioration brought about by such. He didn't mention a traction motor flashover and implied that Sarah was otherwise fully operational.
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Post by prjb on Aug 29, 2006 19:23:53 GMT
I would imagine if the worst came to the worst that they would take her to Acton and out stable a 'lesser' exhibit. The green train is apparently bottom in the order of priority for storage etc.
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Post by edb on Aug 30, 2006 7:41:31 GMT
That last comment brings me to another issue that has been touched on before. Are they not going to run out of space at Acton soon? As an aside, will the Sleet Locomotive ever work? I'd love to see that running.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2006 12:40:02 GMT
Acton is full of stuff that belongs at Covent Garden; once the Museum reopens Acton will have a lot more space available.
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