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Post by prjb on Sept 1, 2006 17:09:06 GMT
That is quite right, but according to the depot manager at Acton space is a real issue for them. Hence the lack of a 56/59/62 unit.
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Post by edb on Sept 4, 2006 20:47:27 GMT
That is quite right, but according to the depot manager at Acton space is a real issue for them. Hence the lack of a 56/59/62 unit. I would agree. I thought it looked full when i went 18 months ago well before Covent Garden was "Evacuated" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2006 21:47:28 GMT
That is quite right, but according to the depot manager at Acton space is a real issue for them. Hence the lack of a 56/59/62 unit. Thankfully for future generations, Cravens Heritage Trains succeeded where Pilot Developments failed. I wonder if their 1962TS will be permitted to enter Acton when the new museum opens... |
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Post by CSLR on Sept 7, 2006 10:04:05 GMT
QA though has just occurred to me. The 'Depot' is at Acton. LTM is at Covent Garden with quite close by the closed Aldwych Branch.They are connected by the Piccadilly line. Why not make the Aldwych branch part of LTM and let them run 'Heritage' trains like the 1938/59/60 stock up and down it on a rota basis. One weel 1938. Next week 1960 Following week pre 1938 [if there are 4 cars avaiable] and so on. That way a dead donkey is revived and riders fares could be used in the upkeep. Similarly somewhere could be found to run old surface stock trains and earn money. Maybe the 'local' roads from Acton to Northfields would be suitable. An excellent suggestion. The position of LTM means that both Aldwych station and the north end of the Holborn Tram Subway would make ideal satellite locations, as well as preserving physical structures alongside vehicles and artifacts. As I understand it, there are severe problems with using Aldwych. Firstly it is one of two major stations that Tfl provides as a film location. This acts as a buffer against letting companies run riot on the Underground, it allows the film companies to use high powered lighting, tripods, run cables everywhere and control the action. It is also a cash generator. LTM could of course use it at specific times and run stock over via the Piccadilly Line as suggested - and there is little doubt that the Museum would be very interested in such an option. Unfortunately, the practicalities are very different from the theory. In order to move the trains to Aldwych, they would have to pass over LU rails. Since PPP, this would incur a substantial charge which would have to be added to the cost of any tickets. There is also the matter of traincrews to pay for the transfer, special movements to arrange, whether it would have to be an out-of-traffic-hours movement, whether pilot cars would have to be used (there are obvious problems in event of a breakdown as this would not be a service train of the type currently used). None of these obstacles are insurmountable, but it takes time, manpower and necessary funding to arrange. We would like to see it, I am sure that LTM would like to see it, but.........!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 10:07:04 GMT
Not to mention the minor problem that the Aldwych branch has never made a profit for anyone....
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Post by mowat on Sept 7, 2006 11:36:46 GMT
That is quite right, but according to the depot manager at Acton space is a real issue for them. Hence the lack of a 56/59/62 unit. They could buy 59ts DM 1031 off Alstom, and move it from Morden to Acton. As for Aldwych, I think it could be done and if the LT Museum bought 59ts cars DM 1030 & T 2044 from Mangapps farm as well as 1031 thay could make a working 3 car unit of 59ts whith the bonus of not being that old, ;D and as all three cars were part of the Northern Line's Heritage Train they carry 1920's livery ( The best the UndergrounD has ever had)  which means you have a train in it's mid 40's that looks (and feels) like a 1920/30's train.  So use this as the main train on the branch, and whith the LTM's 38ts and CHTL's 60ts & 62ts units, and maybe even some Standard stock to come means plenty of trains, and if a Heritage bus service is run between Covent Garden and Aldwych!  |
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Post by mowat on Sept 7, 2006 11:43:42 GMT
As for Aldwych being used as a film unit, there are two platforms at Aldwych, so use one for Heritage services and relay the track in the other and use that for filming.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 12:47:20 GMT
Or, you could simply use Charing Cross Jubilee and stop filming at Aldwych altogether - which is not as impossible as it sounds, given that dragging all of the filming kit down the spiral staircases (and maybe the lifts) at Aldwych is probably a lot harder than dragging it down a pair of escalator shafts at Charing Cross.
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Post by Chris W on Sept 7, 2006 13:14:56 GMT
Gents & Lady
Further to the comments about the lack of use of the 38 unit I have spoken with a representative from the LT Museum.
The primary issues facing the Museum and maintenance of all stock (trams, buses and tubes) is one of manpower and other resources. They have sufficient advisors/experts in place as regards identifying/knowing the work that needs to be actioned to maintain the stock and equipment, however there is a limit to the skilled staff that carry out the work on the stock.
Specifically regarding the 38-stock, the Certificate of Technical Conformance - (CTC) that allows the Museum to run the stock over LU metals lapsed 2 years ago with the expiry of the initial five year ultrasonic axle test certificate issued early on in the restoration programme. It was necessary to removing and refit all of the outside shoe gear and bearing covers to facilitate the work. This work has now been completed, however the unit has also required other components to be worked on and it is this project that is ongoing at the moment.
The Museum uses the same resources to deal with road and rail operations, and as the road vehicles have a high demand - especially during the Covent Garden site closure period - and have less complex operating requirements, they receive greater attention (there are no teams that work specifically on one sort of exhibit - it is shared). There are also some logistical difficulties that make rail operations from the Museum's Acton site less than ideal and some effort is being made to overcome these.
I hope this answers some of the concerns that forum members have voiced and will allay fears that the unit was effectively barred from LU metals.
Regards
Christopher
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2006 12:17:42 GMT
Are there any updates on this stock. I had this e-mail back in July from the LT Museum. Dear Mr.Carter, Thank you for your e-mail about our 1938 Tube Stock. There are no plans at present to take it out of the Depot in the near future but it is hoped it might go out before the end of the year. Details of any such outing would be posted on our website, www.ltmuseum.co.uk . We hope that this is of help to you. Yours sincerely The Resource Desk Reading your post Chris it sounds like all hope has been dashed. Darren. |
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Post by Chris W on Nov 21, 2006 20:41:23 GMT
Are there any updates on this stock. Reading your post Chris it sounds like all hope has been dashed. My personal interpretation was that until the Covent Garden museum reopens things are more or less on hold... not through intention, but rather simply an issue of manpower... However having said this, the fact that work to replace/repair the shoes and the fact that other works are ongoing, albeit slowly (certainly up until I posted that reply back in early September), means that restoration continues - why continue working on the active running gear of a unit if you're not intending to get it working again? I will get in touch with the LU museum again early next year for an update |
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Post by compsci on Nov 21, 2006 20:54:49 GMT
I've volunteered my services to the museum and will be going to a working day on 7 December. This also happens to be the day of their Christmas party and the first office one. They will be giving progress reports on both the museum refurbishment and the Q stock project. I'll let you know how things go at the meet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2006 7:50:13 GMT
Thanks for the info guys. Things certainly must be looking up and well done compsci for volunteering your services
Darren.
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which means you have a train in it's mid 40's that looks (and feels) like a 1920/30's train. 
