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Post by gabriel on May 10, 2006 17:17:08 GMT
On the desination blinds on the H&C, westbound trains are put up as:
"Hammersmith via Shepherds Bush". Why is this? There is no other way to Hammersmith apart from via Shepherds Bush.
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Post by c5 on May 10, 2006 17:18:30 GMT
There is via the District!
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Post by marty on May 10, 2006 17:27:52 GMT
To add to C5´s post -
eg signal failure Padd H & C -
Then they go down a Circles (or terminate Edgw Road, but let´s just presume my first option "fx- C5 - can H&C´s terminate Edgware Road in Westbound") and then via District to Hammersmith (or stabling, depending on Train freq) and would have to put up eg "hammersmith via Earls Ct" or summat.
T/ops + Signalmens - please correct me - only I have heard it like that...
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Post by c5 on May 10, 2006 17:55:54 GMT
Marty, if that failure or similar did occur at Padd Sub, the H&C trains heading down the branch can either usually be - Reversed West to East at Edgware Road and run early
- Detrained at Edgware Road and sent to Triangle Sidings to reverse for their own working. The journey time is the same.
- Sent to Barking/Whitechapel etc via the District Inner Rail. These trains will be diplayed at Edgware Road as "Circle via High St Ken"
The decisions would be made based on train congestion/blocking back, headways and availabilty of Train Operators/ Crew Reliefs District Destinations that can be displaye at Edgware Road are; Wimbledon, Olympia, Parsons Green, Putney Bridge, Ealing Broadway, Ealing Common, Ealing (Sidings/Stow), Richmond.... oh and Northfields. C stock H&C trains show via Shep Bush so as not to confuse the poor passengers further! |
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Post by marty on May 10, 2006 17:59:30 GMT
NORTH...bloody...FIELDS ?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2006 18:10:27 GMT
NORTH...bloody...FIELDS ? LOL yeah - why is Northfields available? |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2006 18:34:55 GMT
Just to add, this is a source of constant confusion when looking at engineer train paths. Sometimes the paths created and published can be very long winded when they cross via the Circle - and thats deliberate to try and eliminate the confusion if there is more than option.
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Post by Tomcakes on May 10, 2006 18:57:43 GMT
AFAIK it is to do with old District peak hour workings to Northfields.
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Post by gabriel on May 10, 2006 20:03:00 GMT
that's confusing. so it's there in case the H&C gets diverted via district or circle to Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2006 20:33:48 GMT
To add to C5´s post - eg signal failure Padd H & C - Then they go down a Circles (or terminate Edgw Road, but let´s just presume my first option "fx- C5 - can H&C´s terminate Edgware Road in Westbound") and then via District to Hammersmith (or stabling, depending on Train freq) and would have to put up eg "hammersmith via Earls Ct" or summat. T/ops + Signalmens - please correct me - only I have heard it like that... Trains can't reverse from WB to EB on the District at Hammersmith. So a "via District to Hammersmith" would be a bit pointless. |
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Post by mandgc on May 11, 2006 0:08:46 GMT
"Hamm. via Sh.Bush"
Weren't we complaining recently about not enough information being given to Passengers ?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2006 7:10:29 GMT
Trains can't reverse from WB to EB on the District at Hammersmith. So a "via District to Hammersmith" would be a bit pointless. Yes, they can. They just have to do it via the eastbound Picc platform. |
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Post by Harsig on May 11, 2006 7:28:53 GMT
Trains can't reverse from WB to EB on the District at Hammersmith. So a "via District to Hammersmith" would be a bit pointless. Except that you cannot expect the general public to have a detailed knowledge of the reversing facilities available at any particular location. I've always assumed that 'Hammersmith via Shepherds Bush' was for the benefit of those westbound passengers from points east of Aldgate East who are faced with trains calling at the same platform which then run to, or through, Hammersmith via two different routes. |
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Post by citysig on May 11, 2006 10:28:19 GMT
that's confusing. so it's there in case the H&C gets diverted via district or circle to Hammersmith. It would all be a bit less confusing if you avoid branding the lines as "District" and "Circle." The Circle is a service and not specifically a line** The "Hammersmith & City" line is the alternative route at Aldgate East. If a H&C service is travelling to it's booked destination of Hammersmith (H&C) it will been shown as "Hammersmith via Shepherd's Bush." If a H&C service is diverted on to the District for whatever reason at Aldgate East, it will be described as appropriate for it's "new" destination. Quite often, due to certain equipment limitations, diverted trains are described as "Parson's Green." Just to add to the confusion ;D **For the smart ones lurking here, not even between Tower Hill and Aldgate or between High Street Ken and Gloucester Road. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2006 18:10:39 GMT
Trains can't reverse from WB to EB on the District at Hammersmith. So a "via District to Hammersmith" would be a bit pointless. Yes, they can. They just have to do it via the eastbound Picc platform. OK, realistically trains can't reverse in sevice at Hammersmith. The Piccadilly line staff would be a bit cheesed off if both roads were being crossed by Districts every so often! |
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Post by marty on May 11, 2006 18:17:54 GMT
AFAIK it is to do with old District peak hour workings to Northfields. +++searching for northfields on the Tube map+++ "Oh there Northfields is..." [shadow=red,left,300][glow=red,2,300](shouting): I´VE NEVER HEARD OF A PEAK SERVICE TO NORTH(bloody)FIELDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/glow][/shadow] |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2006 18:42:15 GMT
AFAIK it is to do with old District peak hour workings to Northfields. +++searching for northfields on the Tube map+++ "Oh there Northfields is..." [shadow=red,left,300][glow=red,2,300](shouting): I´VE NEVER HEARD OF A PEAK SERVICE TO NORTH(bloody)FIELDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/glow][/shadow] The District used to run to Northfields. In fact, it also ran to Hounslow once opon a time. I'm sure other forum members can fill in the dates. |
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Post by marty on May 11, 2006 18:45:38 GMT
I know it ran to hounslow
+++turns around on chair to bag+++
And it actually solves my problem
, district ran to northfields until ´64, to hounslow until ´08...
but wait....first C Stock was 69...
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Post by c5 on May 11, 2006 21:24:37 GMT
I know it ran to hounslow +++turns around on chair to bag+++ And it actually solves my problem , district ran to northfields until ´64, to hounslow until ´08... but wait....first C Stock was 69... I was talking about the Train Description (Signalling), not the Destination Blind on the rolling stock! |
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Post by marty on May 12, 2006 14:23:32 GMT
Oh, so the signalling equipment is from before ´64?
(Well that explains a lot)
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Post by marty on May 13, 2006 10:05:42 GMT
***I AM STARTING TO GET ANNOYED BY THE FACT THAT WHENEVER SOMEONE SAYS INCIDENTALLY, THEY GET THE ROB CURLING NOD***
Yours Incidentally
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2006 20:27:10 GMT
It would all be a bit less confusing if you avoid branding the lines as "District" and "Circle." The Circle is a service and not specifically a line** ..... ..... **For the smart ones lurking here, not even between Tower Hill and Aldgate or between High Street Ken and Gloucester Road. From a technical signalling perspective there probably isn't a Circle Line. However according to tfl there is- mind you, as a punter, it sometimes seems as if it really doesn't exist! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2006 20:41:57 GMT
***I AM STARTING TO GET ANNOYED BY THE FACT THAT WHENEVER SOMEONE SAYS INCIDENTALLY, THEY GET THE ROB CURLING NOD*** Yours Incidentally M. T. Why not send a message to Sky News Sports and tell him, that whenever he does any future narrating, would he please refrain from using the word in question??? I just thought I'd add my incidental comment... [waits to be slapped] |
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Post by agoodcuppa on May 13, 2006 21:40:52 GMT
From a technical signalling perspective there probably isn't a Circle Line. However according to tfl there is- mind you, as a punter, it sometimes seems as if it really doesn't exist! ;D The only part built specifically to form a circle (IIRC) was that from Mansion House to Mark Lane (now Tower Hill). The Met and the District didn't want to operate a circular service but were forced by an Act of Parliament. Perhaps they foresaw the problems it would cause? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2006 11:56:43 GMT
The part built by the Met from Paddington to South Ken was always intended to be part of an Inner Circle. The problem at the eastern end was that both the Met and the District were not very profitable, and they baulked at the huge cost of constructing cut-and-cover from Moorgate to Mansion House.
After much to-and-fro, including City interests threatening to sponsor a competitive company, the Met and District came up with a bill to complete the Circle. By this time, they had two Chairmen who were not even on speaking terms, so Parliament inserted a clause requiring that they co-operate to run a Circle service.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2006 13:02:54 GMT
From a technical signalling perspective there probably isn't a Circle Line. However according to tfl there is- mind you, as a punter, it sometimes seems as if it really doesn't exist! ;D Why is there a picture of a D stock on a page about the circle line? Come on TfL, sort it out!  |
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Post by citysig on May 14, 2006 16:22:01 GMT
From a technical signalling perspective there probably isn't a Circle Line. However according to tfl there is- mind you, as a punter, it sometimes seems as if it really doesn't exist! ;D I was actually coming from a business perspective to begin with. Nobody really owns the Circle Line. It has over recent years been left in the lap of the H&C management. Joy. However you look at it or whoever you are, officially there is just a Circle Service but not a Circle Line |
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Post by Tom on May 14, 2006 21:38:30 GMT
Oh, so the signalling equipment is from before ´64? (Well that explains a lot) Only from about forty years before 1964. |
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Post by mandgc on May 15, 2006 1:41:56 GMT
"No Circle LINE" -
WTT Met. No.1 Section 1,1970, is titled "Hammersmith & City and Circle Lines".
(No.2 Section was - "Aldgate ,Baker St., Stanmore, Harrow, - - - etc. to Aylesbury".
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Post by citysig on May 15, 2006 12:50:48 GMT
I could sit here all day reasoning and stating facts.
However, I think you know where I'm coming from and know that there is no such rail and sleeper construction laid down that is known as Circle Line/service property.
I will leave it there.
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