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Post by metman on Apr 6, 2008 9:40:17 GMT
Ha ha!
It will need a presence by police I think!
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 6, 2008 14:03:31 GMT
Well it doesnt seem like LUL are trying to do anything about it in the pretentative area.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 16:34:28 GMT
Well it doesnt seem like LUL are trying to do anything about it in the pretentative area. LU are spending a fortune trying to prevent and stop graffiti vandals. Depots and sidings are now surrounded by high fences, CCTV monitoring and security guards. Trains are also inspected internally at all depots and sidings for graffiti every night and any graffiti is removed before the train enters service. Trains are also externally checked at main depots every night and any graffiti is removed before the train enters service. External graffiti attacks usually happen where trains are stabled at remote locations and removed when said trains return to the main depots. Graffiti vandals are persistant buggers and it may appear to you that nothing is being done, I can assure you that it is. Acid attacks are a new scurge and unfortunatly is more difficult to put right. |
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Post by suncloud on Apr 6, 2008 17:05:03 GMT
Am I right in saying that security guards are limited in what they can do in terms of pursuing vandals etc. because of the dangers of moving trains and fourth rail...
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Post by swedishblue on Apr 6, 2008 17:35:24 GMT
Am I right in saying that security guards are limited in what they can do in terms of pursuing vandals etc. because of the dangers of moving trains and fourth rail... To say the guards are limited is something of an understatement. I know of one ex Duty Manager at Rickmansworth who had guards removed from the site because they couldn't keep their eyes open. They worked elsewhere all day, and came to sleep at night! I also remember the same manager saying that when we had trains at Watford, they kept getting hit because the guard who was stationed there was afraid of the dark and refused to walk the length of the trains. From what i've seen around LUL as a whole, the guards employed on a sub contract from Metronet are next to useless. |
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 6, 2008 18:53:25 GMT
Well it doesnt seem like LUL are trying to do anything about it in the pretentative area. LU are spending a fortune trying to prevent and stop graffiti vandals. Depots and sidings are now surrounded by high fences, CCTV monitoring and security guards. Trains are also inspected internally at all depots and sidings for graffiti every night and any graffiti is removed before the train enters service. Trains are also externally checked at main depots every night and any graffiti is removed before the train enters service. External graffiti attacks usually happen where trains are stabled at remote locations and removed when said trains return to the main depots. Graffiti vandals are persistant buggers and it may appear to you that nothing is being done, I can assure you that it is. Acid attacks are a new scurge and unfortunatly is more difficult to put right. Well what I meant that nothing is being done was meant to look like it doesnt look like anything is being done. Not only is Graffiti non pleasing to the eye but it also makes me feel well shitty when a train pulls in and theres some nasty scribble that means nothing! There has to be something that can be done to totally stop this before it gets out of hand (if it hasnt already!) I dont know what to say other than write a letter to a top cat in LUL like Mr O'Toole and complain with photographic evidence! Petition to stop London Underground Limited Graffiti? anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 19:24:09 GMT
Am I right in saying that security guards are limited in what they can do in terms of pursuing vandals etc. because of the dangers of moving trains and fourth rail... Yes. Security guards as well as Police aren't allowed to chase suspects. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 19:36:26 GMT
LU are spending a fortune trying to prevent and stop graffiti vandals. Depots and sidings are now surrounded by high fences, CCTV monitoring and security guards. Trains are also inspected internally at all depots and sidings for graffiti every night and any graffiti is removed before the train enters service. Trains are also externally checked at main depots every night and any graffiti is removed before the train enters service. External graffiti attacks usually happen where trains are stabled at remote locations and removed when said trains return to the main depots. Graffiti vandals are persistant buggers and it may appear to you that nothing is being done, I can assure you that it is. Acid attacks are a new scurge and unfortunatly is more difficult to put right. Well what I meant that nothing is being done was meant to look like it doesnt look like anything is being done. Not only is Graffiti non pleasing to the eye but it also makes me feel well shitty when a train pulls in and theres some nasty scribble that means nothing! There has to be something that can be done to totally stop this before it gets out of hand (if it hasnt already!) I dont know what to say other than write a letter to a top cat in LUL like Mr O'Toole and complain with photographic evidence! Petition to stop London Underground Limited Graffiti? anyone? LU do their best to stop graffiti, and is aware of the impact on passengers safety and fear of safety. You will see stickers in the windows with a freephone number to the BTP in most trains asking you to report if you see people vandalising trains. There is also trackside signs warning vandals that Police helicopter patrols are observing. LU also goes around schools to try to discourage children from anti social activities. There is little else under the law LU can do. |
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 6, 2008 19:39:36 GMT
In the end i dont think there is a way to stop it unless huge berlin wall type structures are put up trackside HaHaHa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 19:45:47 GMT
Hopefully the craze will eventually die out, in the early 1980s there was a craze of cutting up the seats and you hardly ever see that now. Only time will tell.
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 6, 2008 19:51:11 GMT
Well hopefully these yoof's will grow up and get a job not having spare time on their hands. But will it be passed down to their siblings?
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Post by Ben on Apr 6, 2008 19:55:05 GMT
Equip frontline staff with truncheons for self protection, and security gaurds and the BTP with tasers. The law should be ammended to allow this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 20:05:38 GMT
Equip frontline staff with truncheons for self protection, and security gaurds and the BTP with tasers. The law should be ammended to allow this. Agree with you. I would personally like to see half starved Rotweillers set on them to see who can run and climb faster, but unfortunatly, it'll never happen  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2008 20:09:52 GMT
FWIW, we need Tony Martins Law to be implemented. Quite like the idea of seeing famished dogs chasing vandals along the tracks... SmartWater detection systems are already used in shops to deter theft... could such sprays be installed in sidings to alert a vandal? Don't tag us or we'll tag you! |
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 6, 2008 20:42:26 GMT
LoL artery i like that a lot! Do Frontline/Operational staff have the right to carry CS Spray (pepper spray) for self protection? If so allow them to use it on these youth with an F's  |
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Post by Ben on Apr 6, 2008 20:45:04 GMT
Nice idea ATO, but remember, 'let the punishment fit the crime'...specifically, spray them with the acid used in their attacks.  |
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Post by signalfailure on Apr 6, 2008 21:28:42 GMT
Acid etch their eyes..
Mwahah-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaa
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Post by gypsy78 on Jul 24, 2008 6:06:40 GMT
I believe at some point LUL were working with whoever operates the New York subway to see how they combat the problem of graffiti though im not sure if anything ever came from it. I was in New York about 4 years ago, I remember seeing the headline "EURO TRASHED"(funny headline but as a European it was a bit embarressing) it was an article in the New York Post about a wave of graffiti since 2000 especially on the subway done by only European graffiti vandals/artists on holiday! New York's graffiti problem had previously been on streets as the trains reguarly and with stricter security the system was declared graffiti free in 1989. As the NYC taggers stopped tagging the trains (unlike London and europe where the bizarre hobby of risking life and limb continued) the security, CCTV and fencing for New york transit depots didnt advance to much (much unlike LUL depots which look like Ben Hur gladiator areans). Because of this the graffiti "firms" of europe found New York a "soft target" and an easy way to get recongition. This year NYC police and NYCTA formed "Eagle Squad" a bunch of ex cops and 'ex veterns' (I love the American macho gun-ho attiude) who patrol sidings and depots, they said in an article that once they found a vandalised train next to a 30ft retaining wall, the vandals/artists had climbed down on a rope! From this unless the New Yorkers can invent a fence that cant be broken, or just supply LUL staff with rifles I cant see them fixing the problem. |
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