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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 12:20:16 GMT
If anyone apart from me is doing 21st Century Science as a science GCSE course, they should use this site to use for revision (as well as looking at their notes ) www.21stcenturyscience.org.uk/support/
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 14, 2006 20:11:58 GMT
What's the difference between this and normal science?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 22:29:30 GMT
This is a vague attempt at making science more interesting to people who don't like science, I think.
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Post by Phil on Jan 14, 2006 23:41:48 GMT
This is a vague attempt at making science more interesting to people who don't like science, I think. Sam They've been trying to do that for the last 15 years!! Integrated science, Double Award science and so on..... All it does is to put off those genuinely interested in science from continuing to a higher level. Rather like caffeine free diet Coke. You drink coke either because you need the 'fix' (caffeine) or the energy (sugar). Remove both and it's not worth having.You might as well drink mud (it tastes like that anyway) Same with 21c science: it's science without any real science. But don't you lot get fooled: REAL science might be hard in places but well worth doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 23:45:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2006 23:48:25 GMT
This is a vague attempt at making science more interesting to people who don't like science, I think. Sam I realise that NOW, finally after I've been doing it for a yr and a half ! They marketed it to us as if it was something that gave us a reward at the end of it, and it was like 'privileaged students' do this. Its essentially normal science, with irritating equations that you have to learn. IMO, I should've just stuck to normal science (''Double Award'') - I would've still got the same grades anyway, methinks. On the whole 21C science - Good if you want a challenge, but unnecessary, IMO.
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Post by Phil on Jan 14, 2006 23:48:27 GMT
Yup - each to his own I've got no problem with people not getting on with science. One of the worst things was when the Gov't made it compulsory some years ago. Point is, it now puts off even those who should like science but don't because of the rubbishy courses
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Post by amershamsi on Jan 15, 2006 1:48:21 GMT
I found A level physics easier than GCSE as, dispite the syllabus i did being a "let's make physics fun" thing, purely because it gave a (slight) challenge and i found it more fun so paid more attention. That said, my A level course at times looked like an english course with the subject "physics", especially at AS. It also went into no depth (but had great breadth) and loved things that formuli wouldn't work for, only words.
I have yet to find a use for my GCSE geography (which was all social issues, and highly biased), and I'm a map and transport enthusiast! Ditto GCSE ICT (which was the most pointless subject ever) and I'm always on a computer and need to be highly skilled in computer literacy for my university course (where ohms law is second nature, and done in the head straight away even if you don't need to). In fact, the only useful GCSEs I took that are useful for anything outside my studies, is well....err....none! Actually, maybe English Lit (a subject i found most pointless - finding masses of meaning that probably wasn't intended in every word) which i use to sound cultured!
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Post by Chris M on Jan 15, 2006 8:07:45 GMT
I found my GCSE geography very interesting, but there were bits that I've not needed to know since. Some things you never think you will, but you'd be suprised.
My GCSE IT - the course I did was actually called Information Systems - was pretty much like falling off a log for me. It was taught in one large class, with people like me and a few of my friends who were excellent at computers and even at A-level knew more of the practical side than the teacher, but also people who didn't understand much of it and so spent lessons throwing balls of paper around the room. The only thing I didn't know was the theory stuff, but much of that was out of date, e.g. in which cases would you write a program using FORTRAN or COBOL60? in what circumstances would you use a mini computer, micro computer, mainframe, supercomputer (based on their typical 1985 specs). And some of what wasn't out of date then is now - e.g. writable CDs were not on the mass market, and computers didn't have DVD drives. At least it means I've got a bit of paper that means I don't need to do teh nausiating key skills courses.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 15, 2006 11:25:21 GMT
The worst bit I found about science at GCSE was the 2h 15m exam, particularly as the people who only did Double science went out halfway and proceded to make a racket outside.
Lots of the stuff on IT GCSE / Computing GCE is rather outdated - for example theory based upon 8-bit computers, the assumption that people use a bus network built with BNC cable etc. There's even a section on the Computing syllabus about ASP - not about dynamically generated web pages, about ASP. What happened to it not being biased towards any one company?
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Post by chris on Jan 15, 2006 12:41:13 GMT
The worst bit I found about science at GCSE was the 2h 15m exam, particularly as the people who only did Double science went out halfway and proceded to make a racket outside. I hated science. (Just clear that up!!!!) Fortunatly we had a pretty cool teacher which made it bearable. I had to do the double award. You only did the intergrated one if you weren't very bright. Science is now done in modules at my school. I don't see why it should be compulsory. French is no longer compulsary. RE is compulasory at my school at GCSE 'cos it was joint C of E/RC.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 15, 2006 13:25:52 GMT
I did the triple science course, so three 2h 15m exams... uck.
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Post by amershamsi on Jan 15, 2006 14:30:35 GMT
I found my GCSE geography very interesting, but there were bits that I've not needed to know since. Some things you never think you will, but you'd be suprised. My GCSE IT - the course I did was actually called Information Systems - was pretty much like falling off a log for me. It was taught in one large class, with people like me and a few of my friends who were excellent at computers and even at A-level knew more of the practical side than the teacher, but also people who didn't understand much of it and so spent lessons throwing balls of paper around the room. The only thing I didn't know was the theory stuff, but much of that was out of date, e.g. in which cases would you write a program using FORTRAN or COBOL60? in what circumstances would you use a mini computer, micro computer, mainframe, supercomputer (based on their typical 1985 specs). And some of what wasn't out of date then is now - e.g. writable CDs were not on the mass market, and computers didn't have DVD drives. At least it means I've got a bit of paper that means I don't need to do teh nausiating key skills courses. that sounds very different my IT course, which was masses of coursework - create a word document, or spreadsheet and right lots ofd rubbish about how you designed it and how it fitted in with the specification that you made up I don't see why it should be compulsory. French is no longer compulsary. RE is compulasory at my school at GCSE 'cos it was joint C of E/RC. No, RE is compulsory full stop, maybe not the GCSE, but you need to do half an hour a week in KS4. French shouldnt be compulsory, however doing at least one language should be (even if that language is Welsh, or Urdu). Science is a tested subject in all four key stages, like english and maths - it might be an idea to put another arty one, like a combined humanties subject, to balance it. Simon
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 15, 2006 15:27:19 GMT
it might be an idea to put another arty one, like a combined humanties subject, to balance it. Simon Or just a stipulation that you must do one humanities subject (Geography/History/Business Studies/Religious Studies).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2006 15:27:26 GMT
The RE GCSE is compulsory. I'm taking it as a GCSE course, but its got a benefit - no coursework !! ;D ;D
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Post by compsci on Jan 15, 2006 15:44:14 GMT
There appears to be a regulation stating that Sixth Forms should offer RE classes to any student who wishes to receive them, regardless of whether they are doing an A level in the subject or not.
Naturally, this is pretty much impossible to timetable, so tends to be ignored by head teachers, in a similar manner to the requirement to provide a "daily act of collective worship" (assembly) every day.
A sentence criticizing the governors for this oversight appears in a majority of secondary school inspection reports.
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Post by Phil on Jan 15, 2006 15:48:10 GMT
No, listen you lot. As an ex-science teacher, I say science should NOT be compulsory at GCSE but one language SHOULD. We live in a big world and any job worth having relies on communicating with other europeans.
If you have no language other than English you will be at a severe disadvantage unless you all intend to be t/ops. In many cases you will not even get past the first interview. So..KEEP UP A LANGUAGE
To answer Compsci and RE, the problem in many schools now is that there is no longer a hall large enough to accommodate the whole school. Since by definition this contravenes the Act, headteachers don't bother with the religious assembly at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2006 15:51:16 GMT
Is there any real oppurtunity on any aspect of LU to use a foreign language? I, for example, am doing a German GCSE. Where, apart from German Railway systems, would this be useful in railways?
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Post by tom2506 on Jan 15, 2006 15:52:58 GMT
If a German passenger came up to you and asked a question you would be able to answer in their language
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Post by Phil on Jan 15, 2006 15:53:20 GMT
Is there any real oppurtunity on any aspect of LU to use a foreign language? I, for example, am doing a German GCSE. Where, apart from German Railway systems, would this be useful in railways? Most planning and engineering functions these days pinch the best bits from other countries' practices. So if you can read their techy bits without it needing to be translated you are at a huge advantage
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Post by chris on Jan 15, 2006 16:01:33 GMT
The RE GCSE is compulsory. I'm taking it as a GCSE course, but its got a benefit - no coursework !! ;D ;D No coursework? I had a 3,000 word essay to do. (Split among 3 different pieces)
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Post by compsci on Jan 15, 2006 16:36:14 GMT
In my GCSEs (which are rapidly becoming ancient history) there were at least two syllabuses available within the short course (which was all my school chose to teach).
The A course focused on the more traditional comparative religion, while the B course (which I did) focused far more on morality, such as attitudes to crime and euthanasia.
With regards to assemblies, my school could only fit one year at a time in the main hall (and even then a quarter were perched up some steps in the canteen). A larger hall could have been built, but would have taken most of the sports field, so wasn't included in the major rebuilding work carried out in my GCSE years. In fact I think my first school had a bigger hall.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 15, 2006 19:45:16 GMT
RE isn't compulsory as such to GCSE - you have to study it as well as PSHE and all that sort of stuff, but not as an exam subject.
Coursework - uck - what a waste of time - just spend hours writing loads of rubbish and learning nothing.
We have no hall that can accomodate everyone, but we do have "acts of collective worship" in groups (y7-y9, y10/11, L6/U6) 4 out of 5 mornings (we have four halls of varying size, none of which you can fit everyone in :S).
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Post by Chris M on Jan 16, 2006 12:56:51 GMT
I was one of the student representetives on the school's assembly committee in my upper school, so I know all about the "daily act of collective worship". The shool hall was only big enough for years 9&10 or year 11 plus the 6th form. So on a Monday there was no assembly and the time was used for notices, and other such things that actually benefited the school/students (e.g. time to do homework, extra reading, etc - or, in the case of my tutor group in the 6th form, play bridge). On a Tuesday and Thursday years 9&10 had the assembly and on Wednesday and Friday it was the other half of the shcool.
One rediculous thing is that to comply with the Act, the act must be held on school property. So on the 2 or 3 occasions each year we went to the local church (it was a C of E school) that didn't count!
As for other subjects: RE wasn't compulsorary after year 9, so I didn't do it as I've never been particularly interested in religion. I chose Geography in the humanaties box instead.
Science was a 'choice' of single science (3 lessons/week 1physics, 1 chemistry, 1 biology) or double science (2 of each). There wasn't really much choice as unless you were distinctly not academic or needed the time for something else (e.g. the deaf students had the time as extra lessons in the hearing impared unit) then you did the double science. This got you two GCSEs.
A language was effectively compulsory, and you could do a second in one of your general option boxes if you wanted. I chose to do German, but unfortunately was placed in the set that did the modular course with rubbish teachers.
We did a total of 9 GCSEs and mine were 2 science, IT, Geography, German, Art Graphics, Maths, English and English literature (I think - its getting a long time ago!)
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Post by chris on Jan 17, 2006 8:02:22 GMT
Daily act of collective worship? I know they do that in my mums school (and there are some Jehovahs Witnesses or something who are 'excused') but there's nothing in mine. We get an assembly once a week and once in a blue moon a whole school one. Or does it change post year 11?
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Post by compsci on Jan 17, 2006 9:24:21 GMT
This regulation effectively says that you should have an assembley every day. Supposedly this should be religious, but that's a bit taboo in anything other than a faith school these days (we sang hymns in my state middle school, but that was eight years ago.)
However, see the comments about hall size etc.
Supposedly you can also comply by having some form of "quiet contemplation" in registration, or something similar. From my experience, form tutors tend to have enough to cram in in fifteen minutes anyway, especially when the wonderous electronic registers crash.
The punishment for the heinous crime of not complying with this regulation appears to amount to an annoyed sentance in the ofsted report, and the performance of the governors being downgraded by one category.
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Post by Phil on Jan 17, 2006 10:38:33 GMT
At my last school OFSTED did indeed complain and tried to mark the school down. But the governors insisted that the report stated they WANTED whole school assemblies and that the Gov't fulfil ITS legal obligation and build a hall large enough to enable compliance with the law.
No prizes for guessing the result...... (and any pretence at religious assemblies actually disappeared at that point!!!)
And as to post Yr 11, you are past the legal school leaving age so all sorts of thing no longer apply coz you are no longer in compulsory education
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2006 14:51:52 GMT
It's interesting listening to all these differing views. I did double award science and French as another language, both to GCSE level (then AS chemistry and A level physics).
With regard to RE, I hated it! It used to get described as the 'doss lesson'. I'm not sure anyone there really wanted to be there. We didn't have to do it after year 9 unless we wanted to do GCSE RE. So I dropped it.
It's a funny world as, since then, I have become a Christian!
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Post by Phil on Jan 17, 2006 15:44:33 GMT
It's a funny world as, since then, I have become a Christian! There's more than one or two on this forum But you're right - R.E has nothing to do with the reality of faith. It's all to do with the state (religion). It puts more people off than encourage them.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 17, 2006 20:11:02 GMT
Supposedly you can also comply by having some form of "quiet contemplation" in registration, or something similar. Contrasting with the rather "noisy contemplation" of trying to get everyone in and out of the aforementioned hall without causing a crush...
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