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Jan 7, 2006 13:38:28 GMT
Post by Christopher J on Jan 7, 2006 13:38:28 GMT
Has anybody noticed the TOX.06 tags which have recently started popping up?  On Tuesday I was coming back east across the North London Line with a few friends when we noticed a couple of TOX.06 tags graffitied into a wall next to Hackney Central station. (Or it might have been Hometon, I cannot remember) So, is our old friend TOX back to his old tricks again or could it be someone else pretending to be him? As he has been caught before in the past, do you think that might have convinced him stop spraying this rubbish onto pubic transport? |
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TOX.06
Jan 7, 2006 14:09:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2006 14:09:37 GMT
Indeed I noticed a couple of the C stocks had TOX06 sprayed over the front cabs, presumably done during Christmas day.
The writing looks identical to his old tags, but I don't think the police can do anything unless he actually gets caught in the act.
If it is the same guy, it just goes to prove that the custodial sentence he got last time did no good whatsoever.
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TOX.06
Jan 7, 2006 20:39:29 GMT
Post by oliver on Jan 7, 2006 20:39:29 GMT
Indeed I noticed a couple of the C stocks had TOX06 sprayed over the front cabs, presumably done during Christmas day. If he/she did do it on Christmas day he must be a thicko as it was still 2005! |
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Jan 7, 2006 20:57:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2006 20:57:17 GMT
If he/she did do it on Christmas day he must be a thicko as it was still 2005! ROFL!! Never thought about that! ;D ;D |
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Jan 7, 2006 21:25:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2006 21:25:29 GMT
Obviously, the 3 month spell courtesy of HM Prisons did him no good either. Just what does he get out of doing what he does??? It can't even be called art.
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TOX.06
Jan 7, 2006 22:41:00 GMT
Post by Chris M on Jan 7, 2006 22:41:00 GMT
He should be required to spend ~20 unpaid hours a week (in addition to any other employment he has/gets), every week for a year cleaning graffiti off trains / whatever else he graffitis.
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 3:01:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 3:01:49 GMT
He should be required to spend ~20 unpaid hours a week (in addition to any other employment he has/gets), every week for a year cleaning graffiti off trains / whatever else he graffitis. Hmm, I think Chris has a good point, obviously the current method of punishment/reform isn't working. |
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 9:01:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 9:01:48 GMT
I did hear someone say that the TOX tag was being copied by others...
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 10:43:56 GMT
Post by allchange on Jan 8, 2006 10:43:56 GMT
I find it very hard to believe that its 1 person! The death penalty is probably the only thing that will keep them from doing it. Tox, even though they're most prolific, isn't the only one by far, so prosecuting one, doesn't stop it overall. Why can't the LU hire night watchmen for the depots? Surely paying a basic wage to around 60 people, not to mention it gives 60 more people jobs, is more economically friendly than paying to have it all scrubbed off?! Oh, and btw, congratulations Irish Driver  |
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Jan 8, 2006 11:11:05 GMT
Post by setttt on Jan 8, 2006 11:11:05 GMT
Why can't the LU hire night watchmen for the depots? Surely paying a basic wage to around 60 people, not to mention it gives 60 more people jobs, is more economically friendly than paying to have it all scrubbed off?! I don't think depots are necessarily the biggest targets. 'TOX' seems to prefer decorating stations and lineside equipment rather than gaining access to depots. In any case, depots do have security guards which are meant to walk around every so often to make sure everything's OK. Depots are open 24/7 with TMs going about their business during all hours (so there's always a few extra pairs of eyes to keep watch). |
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 12:31:52 GMT
Post by Tom on Jan 8, 2006 12:31:52 GMT
Why can't the LU hire night watchmen for the depots? Surely paying a basic wage to around 60 people, not to mention it gives 60 more people jobs, is more economically friendly than paying to have it all scrubbed off?! Depots are open 24/7 with TMs going about their business during all hours (so there's always a few extra pairs of eyes to keep watch). While that's true in theory Seth I've generally found the staff are so engrossed in their work they haven't noticed what is happening around them. I covered a signalling commissioning at Queen's Park one Saturday night last year and there must have been ten of us within the south sheds all night, we did go for walks to the toilet etc but still a train managed to get hit with graffiti and none of us realised until the morning when we had a few minutes break in the programme and someone went outside and could smell it. |
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Jan 8, 2006 13:07:31 GMT
Post by allchange on Jan 8, 2006 13:07:31 GMT
I see what your saying Seth, but I'm sure they've got other things to do, whereas, just a couple of guards located at the worst hit depots, would probably be a good idea. I may write to LU about this  |
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Jan 8, 2006 13:26:21 GMT
Post by Tomcakes on Jan 8, 2006 13:26:21 GMT
I see what your saying Seth, but I'm sure they've got other things to do, whereas, just a couple of guards located at the worst hit depots, would probably be a good idea. I may write to LU about this To be specific, a couple of guards located in the messroom of the worst hit depots  . Isn't the problem worst at locations such as South Harrow or Barking where there's actually not a depot, rather just some isolated sidings away from where anyone is likely to be overnight? What about CCTV? |
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Jan 8, 2006 14:13:29 GMT
Post by allchange on Jan 8, 2006 14:13:29 GMT
You mean they don't have CCTV!  Now come on, are they taking the pi$$, IF they don't have it!  |
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Jan 8, 2006 14:17:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 14:17:20 GMT
Without going into specifics (for obvious reasons), LUL do hire security guards, and do have CCTV. Unfortunately obviously not enough!
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Jan 8, 2006 14:32:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 14:32:00 GMT
Why can't the LU hire night watchmen for the depots? Surely paying a basic wage to around 60 people, not to mention it gives 60 more people jobs, is more economically friendly than paying to have it all scrubbed off?! The Depots do have security Guards. EDIT - sorry I didn't see that Alan had already replied to this. |
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Jan 8, 2006 14:58:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 14:58:13 GMT
Depots are open 24/7 with TMs going about their business during all hours (so there's always a few extra pairs of eyes to keep watch). While that's true in theory Seth I've generally found the staff are so engrossed in their work they haven't noticed what is happening around them. A District driver told me that he once slept on the train in upminster depot doing nights and woke up to find that the outside of the train had been graffitied while he slept! |
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Jan 8, 2006 15:40:21 GMT
Post by Tomcakes on Jan 8, 2006 15:40:21 GMT
Without going into specifics (for obvious reasons), LUL do hire security guards, and do have CCTV. Unfortunately obviously not enough! But surely some of the graffiti vandals would have been caught on CCTV before now? |
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Jan 8, 2006 15:44:56 GMT
Post by setttt on Jan 8, 2006 15:44:56 GMT
Without going into specifics (for obvious reasons), LUL do hire security guards, and do have CCTV. Unfortunately obviously not enough! But surely some of the graffiti vandals would have been caught on CCTV before now? It is difficult to get decent CCTV coverage as there are so many places to hide - especially at night when most, if not all roads have a train stabled on them. It's easy enough to keep an eye on the perimeter fences, but it would be almost impossible to monitor the spaces between each and every road as well. |
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 15:48:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 15:48:05 GMT
Without going into specifics (for obvious reasons), LUL do hire security guards, and do have CCTV. Unfortunately obviously not enough! But surely some of the graffiti vandals would have been caught on CCTV before now? Some have, I've seen CCTV captures of Graffiti vandals doing their business with their facse covered. |
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 17:47:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 17:47:24 GMT
I've seen CCTV captures of Graffiti vandals doing their business with their facse covered. Some of them are very aware of CCTV and will avoid the cameras, cover their faces etc. I seem to remember about a year ago Mr. O'Toole being interviewed on the local news and saying that in future all graffitied trains would be taken out of service. Still waiting for that to come into effect! |
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Jan 8, 2006 18:15:59 GMT
Post by dunois on Jan 8, 2006 18:15:59 GMT
Are the trains painted or plastic coated usually???
Because plastic coated trains with a transparent plastic film can avoid lots of repainting costs as well as trains taken out of service.
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 18:16:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 18:16:00 GMT
Anyone considered sensor-triggered machine guns on the perimeter fences at night? ;D
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Jan 8, 2006 18:37:23 GMT
Post by Chris W on Jan 8, 2006 18:37:23 GMT
Gents ALERT - SILLY QUESTION FROM MODERATOR - ALERT How difficult is it to remove graffiti, or does it depend upon the type of spray paint used and whether the train (if that is the chosen target) has had vinyls applied - I assume it is far worse on the unvinyled pre-referbed DL units?!  Personally I find the etched windows/paintwork by far the most irritating and detrimental effect upon the underground. Is there anything that can be/is being done (e.g. applying protective film) to the unit &/or windows. Are there (cost effective) paint and etching resistant films or sprays available to thwart these individuals?? |
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Jan 8, 2006 18:44:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 18:44:28 GMT
How difficult is it to remove graffiti, or does it depend upon the type of spray paint used and whether the train (if that is the chosen target) has had vinyls applied - I assume it is far worse on the unvinyled pre-referbed DL units?! Are there (cost effective) paint and etching resistant films or sprays available to thwart these individuals?? Graffiti is in most cases buffed out overnight, from what I have seen it is pretty straight forward but time consuming. LU doesn't use vinyls to cover trains it's all paint, the only train with vinyls is the prototype D stock refurb. The paint is supposed to be graffiti resistant. |
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 19:18:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2006 19:18:18 GMT
Unfortunately, these scum bags are learning that 'normal' grafitti is quickly erased on LUL, so there are more and more of these idiots who scratch the glass.
Apparently the refurbished D stocks have (or had) some sort of film on which prevented scratching, but I notice that every refurb is now completely covered in scratched glass. The powers that be obviously don't even bother to watch the CCTV back to try and identify the little sh*ts. (Sorry, turning into a rant!)
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TOX.06
Jan 8, 2006 19:39:49 GMT
Post by edb on Jan 8, 2006 19:39:49 GMT
It's like the bloody bus's they have the bloody windows etched by those little *******'*. Should be sent in to the army or have their hands chopped off
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TOX.06
Jan 9, 2006 0:03:10 GMT
Post by Phil on Jan 9, 2006 0:03:10 GMT
Y'know: I wonder if Tox visits forums.
If so, he must LOVE all the publicity he is getting here....
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TOX.06
Jan 9, 2006 0:39:47 GMT
Post by cdr113 on Jan 9, 2006 0:39:47 GMT
elephant and castle bakerloo has tox 05 or 06 on the ceiling above the tracks...only way of doing it could have been from the roof of a train! anyone know when/how this happened and how did they get into a station, then onto a train un-noticed?
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Jan 9, 2006 7:16:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2006 7:16:02 GMT
Y'know: I wonder if Tox visits forums. If so, he must LOVE all the publicity he is getting here.... From what a friend in the BTP has told me - most of the idiots (I'm refraining from using more appropriate language) are either too drugged up or too stupid to use a computer - apart from the 'middle class' ones who are graffiti'ing to rebel against 'Mummy and Daddy'. |
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