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Post by miff on Aug 9, 2024 7:14:27 GMT
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Post by DWS on Aug 9, 2024 13:51:00 GMT
I see all the name plates have been removed what has happened to them. The locos all had female names from when the were in use on the Jubilee Line extension.
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Post by towerman on Aug 9, 2024 17:14:27 GMT
Weren’t they women who worked for the contractor building the extension?
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Post by t697 on Aug 9, 2024 18:26:08 GMT
I seem to recall most if not all the names used were women working in the LUL JLE teams.
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 9, 2024 20:59:54 GMT
Hmmm, wonder if they'll couple to a cl507. Asking for me.
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Post by towerman on Aug 9, 2024 21:03:15 GMT
I seem to recall most if not all the names used were women working in the LUL JLE teams. I knew it was something to do with JLE.
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Post by towerman on Aug 9, 2024 21:12:34 GMT
As an aside working in SMD tower pre opening there was a temporary computer signalling diagram in the tower,when a schoma engineering train was due to return to depot contractors staff used to to come to the tower to signal the train back to West Ham.Once it was in depot we had to hand set and secure routes to stable it,same when they were starting work to get to depot exit.At that time the contractor was still in charge of the railway.
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Post by DWS on Aug 10, 2024 6:42:52 GMT
When the Jubilee Line stock went from 6 to 7 cars the Schoma locomotives were used to shunt 96 tube stock cars to make up the longer trains, they worked in pairs. At one time up to 8 or 10 of the locos were based at Stratford Market Depot for this task, they had not been converted to battery power at this point.
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Post by towerman on Aug 10, 2024 9:47:31 GMT
When the Jubilee Line stock went from 6 to 7 cars the Schoma locomotives were used to shunt 96 tube stock cars to make up the longer trains, they worked in pairs. At one time up to 8 or 10 of the locos were based at Stratford Market Depot for this task, they had not been converted to battery power at this point. Think they were originally owned by the main contractor,were sold on to LU.
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Post by miff on Aug 10, 2024 12:40:17 GMT
The inspection report, on the auctioneer's site, says the battery converted locos "were never released into operational service, with completion works required at the time to achieve EMC compliance etc. .... Since 2017 the locomotives have not been used and are due both overhaul completion works, and maintenance."
Would the batteries take a charge after such a long time?
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Post by brigham on Aug 10, 2024 13:40:24 GMT
NiFe batteries would. Lead-acid cells may be severely compromised.
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Post by towerman on Aug 11, 2024 11:13:39 GMT
Before the JLE was opened there were regular transfers of 96TS between Neasden and SMD,these were Schoma hauled on the JLE.
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Post by DWS on Aug 11, 2024 17:37:14 GMT
Before the JLE was opened there were regular transfers of 96TS between Neasden and SMD,these were Schoma hauled on the JLE. These locomotives were all Diesel powered then. At the time ATO was being installed on the Jubilee Line, 4 car or 3 car 1996 stock were moved from SMD to the test track at Highgate Depot with a Schoma at each end of the units.
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Post by d7666 on Aug 11, 2024 20:25:46 GMT
NiFe batteries would. Lead-acid cells may be severely compromised. From a potential buyers point that would not be a blocking point - anyone considering these for use as battery locos would almost certainly expect to carry out work to adapt them for a new role, and a block of new cells is probably peanuts ££££ compared to safety case costs etc, even for non main line. I'd suggest the biggest loser might be a heritage railway, but then again I can't think of one who would obviously want and need such a locomotive.
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Post by d7666 on Aug 11, 2024 20:27:11 GMT
Before the JLE was opened there were regular transfers of 96TS between Neasden and SMD,these were Schoma hauled on the JLE. These locomotives were all Diesel powered then. At the time ATO was being installed on the Jubilee Line, 4 car or 3 car 1996 stock were moved from SMD to the test track at Highgate Depot with a Schoma at each end of the units. Also, wasn't there some sort of early pre-opening passenger trips for school kids before the line opened worked by Schomas ? Or am I dreaming ?
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Post by towerman on Aug 11, 2024 21:11:44 GMT
Don’t remember that.
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Post by d7666 on Aug 12, 2024 14:48:24 GMT
I'm struggling to remember too; something above ground like West Ham < > Canning Town shuttles before JLE opened, top/tail Schomas; public in the sense of members of the public but private in the sense of invitation only school kids. A quick google reveals nothing.
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Post by miff on Aug 12, 2024 16:40:10 GMT
I see all the name plates have been removed what has happened to them. The locos all had female names from when the were in use on the Jubilee Line extension. Wikipedia lists the original names as follows. Perhaps the plates were removed when the locos were transferred from the JLE contractor to LUL. 1 Britta Lotta 2 Nikki 3 Claire 4 Pam 5 Sophie 6 Denise 7 Annemarie 8 Emma 9 Debora 10 Clementine 11 Joan 12 Melanie 13 Michele 14 Carol From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotives
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Post by burkitt on Aug 12, 2024 17:01:15 GMT
I'm struggling to remember too; something above ground like West Ham < > Canning Town shuttles before JLE opened, top/tail Schomas; public in the sense of members of the public but private in the sense of invitation only school kids. Any idea what rolling stock they would have used?
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Post by DWS on Aug 12, 2024 20:56:33 GMT
I see all the name plates have been removed what has happened to them. The locos all had female names from when the were in use on the Jubilee Line extension. Wikipedia lists the original names as follows. Perhaps the plates were removed when the locos were transferred from the JLE contractor to LUL. 1 Britta Lotta 2 Nikki 3 Claire 4 Pam 5 Sophie 6 Denise 7 Annemarie 8 Emma 9 Debora 10 Clementine 11 Joan 12 Melanie 13 Michele 14 Carol From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotivesThe name plates were still in place when I worked at Stratford Market Depot when the Jubilee Line 1996 stock was converted from 6 cars to 7 car trains.
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Post by t697 on Aug 12, 2024 21:16:56 GMT
I've seen nameplates still on them at Ruislip too in the past. I expect they have been removed for separate sale or other 'disposal'!
The locos were procured by LUL JLE Project and I'm pretty sure they were always owned by LUL even though operated during JLE Construction by contractors' staff.
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Post by d7666 on Aug 12, 2024 21:58:55 GMT
I've seen nameplates still on them at Ruislip too in the past. I expect they have been removed for separate sale or other 'disposal'! The locos were procured by LUL JLE Project and I'm pretty sure they were always owned by LUL even though operated during JLE Construction by contractors' staff. I am unsure of the precise terminology, but was not the 'ownership' change went from LU JLE Project; out of use at end of 'project' then to Tube Line subsidiary Transplant before returning to LU at end of TLL ? Something like that ? Pretty sure there ws an 'ownership' change with them somewhere on the way.
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Post by t697 on Aug 13, 2024 6:00:20 GMT
Yes I see the point. I'd been concentrating on the JLE construction phase rather than later into the Infraco period. However weren't existing rolling stock of all types kept as LUL property and it was the Infracos' responsibility to maintain them? I've forgotten the detail.
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Post by towerman on Aug 13, 2024 10:51:52 GMT
I see all the name plates have been removed what has happened to them. The locos all had female names from when the were in use on the Jubilee Line extension. Wikipedia lists the original names as follows. Perhaps the plates were removed when the locos were transferred from the JLE contractor to LUL. 1 Britta Lotta 2 Nikki 3 Claire 4 Pam 5 Sophie 6 Denise 7 Annemarie 8 Emma 9 Debora 10 Clementine 11 Joan 12 Melanie 13 Michele 14 Carol From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_diesel_locomotivesThink they worked at 30 South Collonade Canary Wharf,was where JLEP was based.When doing training for SMD tower operator had to visit there several times.
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Post by passenger on Aug 13, 2024 11:25:11 GMT
NiFe batteries would. Lead-acid cells may be severely compromised. Does anyone know why the battry locomotives never entered service after they were converted? Mod note: posts merged
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Post by Chris M on Aug 13, 2024 12:55:09 GMT
From what I've heard they were severely underpowered when running on battery.
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Post by t697 on Aug 13, 2024 13:54:48 GMT
And EMC compliance never fully resolved. I recall the idea was for them to work as coupled pairs to give reasonable haulage capability.
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Post by miff on Aug 13, 2024 14:54:41 GMT
From what I've heard they were severely underpowered when running on battery. The condition report on the auction website is not clear on this point. It includes: "Our ‘Schoma’ locomotives have undergone a traction conversion project to switch from diesel to battery electric power. This conversion does not affect gauge or haulage capacity but will allow Engineering Vehicle (EV) to operate the locomotives in deep tube sections (LG1) with no emissions. The ten locomotives in the fleet provide a versatile alternative to our existing battery locomotives. As with all of EV locomotives, the ‘Schoma’s’ always work in pairs (or more) to navigate the infrastructure of the underground network."
"This conversion project was undertaken over the years 2015-2017. These 10no converted Schoma Locomotives were never released into operational service, with completion works required at the time to achieve EMC compliance etc"
"Since 2017 the locomotives have not been used and are due both overhaul completion works, and maintenance."The website also says all lots are “sold as seen”.
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Post by brigham on Aug 14, 2024 7:40:01 GMT
Is there a reserve price? Do we know how much these TfL assets represent 'on the books'? I'd like to think that the auction is being held in Newcastle because locomotives will be of more interest in the 'industrial North'. In reality, I'm more inclined to think that it's far enough away for the London press not to notice when they are sold for scrap price.
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Post by gefw on Aug 14, 2024 8:02:17 GMT
I note that some cranes (predecessors to the Kirow) and Ballast wagons are also in the auction - perhaps they will attract more interest from the preserved railways.
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