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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 19:27:01 GMT
Apparently there is a new announcement for Bank station.. Is this true?
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Post by t697 on Aug 29, 2021 18:06:37 GMT
Possibly. I seem to recall 'Docklands Light Railway' may have been updated to 'DLR' in the interchange announcements. The capitalisation of 'National Rail services' has been aligned to current LUL usage in the visuals for relevant stations as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2021 18:18:14 GMT
Possibly. I seem to recall 'Docklands Light Railway' may have been updated to 'DLR' in the interchange announcements. The capitalisation of 'National Rail services' has been aligned to current LUL usage in the visuals for relevant stations as well. Is it Celia? I did hear she passed away some time ago. If so - no doubt Sarah Parnell is announcing them.. She seems to be on almost every line! |
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Post by t697 on Aug 29, 2021 19:19:36 GMT
I should have said all the NLE, Elizabeth line and any other amended audio announcements are by a new voice. Sorry, I don't know who it is.
As of 27th August about 24 trains had been updated. This to a version that doesn't announce interchange for Battersea at Kennington but can run Battersea trips. After NLE opens, the next version adds the Battersea interchange messages on trips passing through Kennington to other destinations.
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Post by vincenture on Aug 30, 2021 10:25:30 GMT
I think you mean Emma Hignett. She's really popular on National Rail announcements too
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 30, 2021 12:37:33 GMT
Video including the new announcement for Bank towards the end.
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Post by North End on Aug 30, 2021 12:41:02 GMT
Video including the new announcement for Bank towards the end. Sounds awful IMO. |
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Post by t697 on Aug 30, 2021 18:56:26 GMT
Ah well, you can't please everyone... On the plus side, 'Waterloo and City' does sound like a coherent whole line rather than two separate ones which I thought the previous recording did. Shame we can't have 'Waterloo & City' on the visuals, but apparently the font set for this kit doesn't include an '&'.
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Post by Alight on Aug 31, 2021 10:19:21 GMT
I don't think the new voice is that bad. Sounds more or less like Celia. I am grateful they haven't started afresh with a new voice, but instead have retained as much of the older recordings as possible, with updates only where absolutely necessary. We had quite an interesting discussion on this in a previous thread: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/31393/new-announcements-extension |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Sept 2, 2021 22:09:57 GMT
Video including the new announcement for Bank towards the end. I don't know if this, or doing the Central line approach of having Celia announce the station and the new voice the interchange, is better or worse... By the way, why did Bank have to change? I thought the current (new-old) announcements were good enough... Ah well, you can't please everyone... On the plus side, 'Waterloo and City' does sound like a coherent whole line rather than two separate ones which I thought the previous recording did. Shame we can't have 'Waterloo & City' on the visuals, but apparently the font set for this kit doesn't include an '&'.
Personally I think the original recordings sounded the most coherent, although it was a bit odd starting with W first! |
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Post by t697 on Sept 3, 2021 6:14:14 GMT
The Bank announcement was amended as stated earlier to replace Docklands Light Railway with DLR. This aligns with current TfL practice. Anyone navigating with the Tube Map only sees DLR. Nowhere on that is it shown other than by the initials.
Supplier decided to record the whole announcement. LUL hadn't specified any requirement to use two different voices within the same announcement. Possibly because its audio file is a complete one and that saved making an edit to join two files, but also because they felt it more sensible to use one voice for the whole announcement. I'm sure that if it had been edited the other way there would be someone with the opinion that it was not the best solution!
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Post by Alight on Sept 3, 2021 8:35:13 GMT
The Bank announcement was amended as stated earlier to replace Docklands Light Railway with DLR. This aligns with current TfL practice. Anyone navigating with the Tube Map only sees DLR. Nowhere on that is it shown other than by the initials. Curiously, the standard practice was 'DLR' back when the previous version was recorded in 2015, so I am not sure why back then they used 'Docklands Light Railway'... I am guessing this was done in error. Still, I don't mind the new Bank announcement as the previous one sounded a little dreamy... I think we should all be grateful that this new voice sounds relatively similar to Celia, which means the whole series of Celia announcements can be retained. Better that than wiping the whole thing and starting afresh with Sarah Parnell. Mind you, I don't think there was ever a risk of it being Sarah, at least, as I don't think the supplier for legacy JNP trains (Ketech Systems Limited) use her; Sarah is used by the legacy BCV and SSL supplier. |
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Post by t697 on Sept 6, 2021 17:37:06 GMT
Mind you, I don't think there was ever a risk of it being Sarah, at least, as I don't think the supplier for legacy JNP trains (Ketech Systems Limited) use her; Sarah is used by the legacy BCV and SSL supplier. I'm pretty sure the S stock audio files were supplied from LUL/TfL to the train supplier not the other way around. |
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Post by Alight on Sept 9, 2021 23:02:15 GMT
According to an FOI request, the S Stock and 2009 stock announcements are managed by Global Radio Services Ltd.
Just going back to the topic of the Northern line updates specifically, I noticed they have added "please mind the gap between the train and the platform" on the approach to London Bridge (both northbound and southbound). They have used the existing Celia file for this.
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Post by t697 on Sept 10, 2021 9:16:44 GMT
According to an FOI request, the S Stock and 2009 stock announcements are managed by Global Radio Services Ltd. Just going back to the topic of the Northern line updates specifically, I noticed they have added "please mind the gap between the train and the platform" on the approach to London Bridge (both northbound and southbound). They have used the existing Celia file for this. Interesting, have you witnessed ... mind the gap ... at London Bridge both NB and SB? The table I'm looking at only lists SB, but it does have at least one other anomaly... |
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Post by Alight on Sept 20, 2021 9:46:43 GMT
I heard the new announcements this morning. As discussed already, they are all voiced by the new voice (with the exception of "this train terminates here. All change." which is still Celia), including some of the platforms at Kennington, depending on direction or travel / branch.
There is an "exit here for National rail services from Battersea Park" at Battersea Power Station. This is only played at the station and not on the approach.
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Post by t697 on Sept 23, 2021 21:15:49 GMT
Possibly. I seem to recall 'Docklands Light Railway' may have been updated to 'DLR' in the interchange announcements. The capitalisation of 'National Rail services' has been aligned to current LUL usage in the visuals for relevant stations as well. Is it Celia? I did hear she passed away some time ago. If so - no doubt Sarah Parnell is announcing them.. She seems to be on almost every line! A trusted source indicates the new audios have been voiced by Elinor Hamilton and post-processed to be more similar to the Celia ones. |
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Post by Alight on Sept 24, 2021 9:01:35 GMT
The wonders of modern technology!
It does make you wonder if some of the previous Celia recordings we've spoken about were tinkered with during post production? For instance, some of the phrases such as "please mind the gap between the train and the platform" (and indeed her recordings for the Jubilee line) sound considerably deeper to the extent some may think it's a completely different voice altogether. For now it remains a mystery, but your contact may know the answer!
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Post by t697 on Sept 24, 2021 12:03:35 GMT
The wonders of modern technology! It does make you wonder if some of the previous Celia recordings we've spoken about were tinkered with during post production? For instance, some of the phrases such as "please mind the gap between the train and the platform" (and indeed her recordings for the Jubilee line) sound considerably deeper to the extent some may think it's a completely different voice altogether. For now it remains a mystery, but your contact may know the answer! Same trusted source mentions that previous additions by Celia were post-processed to try to match the earlier ones, due to natural voice ageing over the years. As you've noticed, it isn't easy to get a full match.
I understand that the new Piccadilly line train system will use synthesised audio but based on thousands of recordings of a specific real human, sufficient to make future new messages digitally from all that source data and sound human. So it should be less disjointed than the various edits and insertions in existing systems.
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Post by Alight on Oct 4, 2021 18:13:27 GMT
Thank you, that is very interesting. It'll be interesting to see how they process the clips for the Jubilee line as well, as Celia's tone is slightly different. Interesting, have you witnessed ... mind the gap ... at London Bridge both NB and SB? The table I'm looking at only lists SB, but it does have at least one other anomaly... You are right, it is just the SB. I checked again today. |
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Post by tony on Feb 10, 2022 21:24:02 GMT
Video including the new announcement for Bank towards the end. Sounds awful IMO. Who would've thought that I'd find my video here 🤣 |
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Post by Alight on Jun 10, 2022 12:30:43 GMT
I noticed a male announcer on the Northern line last night for the British Transport Police message. It plays at Clapham North, Borough, Goodge Street and Archway - not sure where else.
I am pretty sure he says "sort it" rather than "sorted" but it is hard to distinguish.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 10, 2022 13:16:42 GMT
Likewise on the Bakerloo line at Regents Park (and presumably other locations). Couldn't hear a word of what was being said though as the volume appears to out of kilter with the rest of the announcement sequence.
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Post by Alight on Jun 10, 2022 13:43:44 GMT
Ah that's interesting. Likewise the Bakerloo line Elizabeth additions seem to be quieter than the originals.
I have found a video of the new Northern line announcements for this interested:
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Post by t697 on Jun 10, 2022 18:31:11 GMT
I noticed a male announcer on the Northern line last night for the British Transport Police message. It plays at Clapham North, Borough, Goodge Street and Archway - not sure where else. I am pretty sure he says "sort it" rather than "sorted" but it is hard to distinguish. The 5th location, completing the set, is Belsize Park. For Borough and Goodge Street it is audio only, due to all the 'in town' locations having rather long visual messages already and having to add it to a visual that plays starting at the previous station and not over extending it while at a station. The audio sounds like "sorted" to me but I agree it's open to debate. It's the recording the powers that be decided to use. The locations mean you get the announcement about every 30 minutes give or take a fair bit, which is the requirement set by DfT as I understand it.
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Post by xtmw on Jun 11, 2022 7:30:43 GMT
It is Sarah Parnell announcing the Bakerloo BTP announcement. Exactly the same the male announcer is saying.
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Post by bpk on Jun 14, 2022 13:09:43 GMT
The 61016 announcements are at odds with this video Grant Shapps made declaring "The “endless torrent” of unnecessary train announcements is to be curbed"
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Post by Chris M on Jun 14, 2022 15:29:37 GMT
The 61016 announcements are at odds with this video Grant Shapps made declaring "The “endless torrent” of unnecessary train announcements is to be curbed" This means that either the 61016 announcements are deemed "necessary" and/or a politician has not fulfilled a promise they made. I shall not comment on which I consider more likely to avoid breaking the forum rules regarding political posts. |
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Post by tony on Jun 19, 2022 11:51:38 GMT
I've got a video here which I've made.
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Post by tony on Jun 19, 2022 11:52:16 GMT
I also essentially showcase the new Bond Street announcements here too for the Jubilee line.
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