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Post by kieran844 on Mar 16, 2020 20:39:03 GMT
When the extension to Battersea opens...
Do you think the traditional announcements using Celia will be replaced? I know updated files were done a few years back but the execution of these in my opinion is worse , ie longer and more fragmented/unnatural than what was there before (pre-2015). She does live in Southern France now and as I gather is retired(?)...
Personally I am a fan of Sarah Parnell on the S Stock and think those announcements are very well put together, it almost sounds natural. Will she be used on the Northern line too I wonder?
I'm not a great fan of Emma Hignett and think she should stick to what she does best, buses. I don't personally like her on TfL rail/LO. She is the voice of Crossrail however, so I wouldn't eliminate her from the options.
The lady on the Vic line has a clear and direct voice too, again the announcements are well put together...
I wonder if the lady who says 'The train now approaching is to... X... please stand back from the platform edge' is also in the mix? I like her voice too!
Any ideas?
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 16, 2020 21:08:05 GMT
kieran844 , It is worth remembering that even the S stock announcements were very jittery when they were first introduced. I think it was at least a year before they were comprehensively knitted together as they are now. For the NLE, I reckon they will just add the new stations on just as the Jubilee line announcements were updated to announce which side the doors would release. I believe the platform announcements you are referring to are spoken by Elinor Hamilton who is also the voice behind the automated Customer Service Update announcements amongst many others.
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Post by zbang on Mar 18, 2020 17:55:41 GMT
It's not just the voice, it's the person editing the clips so they assemble into a natural flow; not an easy job and sometimes you need two or three clips of the same phrase just so the pauses and pacing sound right.
Granted that some voice actors make this easier than others and that some are just more understandable to the general population.
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Post by ruislip on Mar 22, 2020 18:54:43 GMT
Example of a difference I discovered last month. Line A--this train terminates at ... Stratford; Line B--This is a ... line train to ... Cockfosters.
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Post by kieran844 on Apr 1, 2020 20:22:46 GMT
Example of a difference I discovered last month. Line A--this train terminates at ... Stratford; Line B--This is a ... line train to ... Cockfosters. Although it gives a sense of uniqueness to the lines, I do find it slightly annoying that some are much better put together and phrased than others!
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Post by grumpycat on May 7, 2020 9:59:24 GMT
When the extension to Battersea opens... Do you think the traditional announcements using Celia will be replaced? I know updated files were done a few years back but the execution of these in my opinion is worse , ie longer and more fragmented/unnatural than what was there before (pre-2015). She does live in Southern France now and as I gather is retired(?)... Personally I am a fan of Sarah Parnell on the S Stock and think those announcements are very well put together, it almost sounds natural. Will she be used on the Northern line too I wonder? I'm not a great fan of Emma Hignett and think she should stick to what she does best, buses. I don't personally like her on TfL rail/LO. She is the voice of Crossrail however, so I wouldn't eliminate her from the options. The lady on the Vic line has a clear and direct voice too, again the announcements are well put together... I wonder if the lady who says 'The train now approaching is to... X... please stand back from the platform edge' is also in the mix? I like her voice too! Any ideas? As i know there is still one 95 with the original announcements and i think a complete redo of the announcements would be best since as you say the execution is worse since they kept the station but changed details however they could have executed it better without it sounding bodged
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Post by i3lu on Feb 17, 2021 3:43:22 GMT
When the extension to Battersea opens... Do you think the traditional announcements using Celia will be replaced? I know updated files were done a few years back but the execution of these in my opinion is worse , ie longer and more fragmented/unnatural than what was there before (pre-2015). She does live in Southern France now and as I gather is retired(?)... Unfortunately, Celia passed away last month.
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Post by A60stock on Feb 17, 2021 11:51:13 GMT
Example of a difference I discovered last month. Line A--this train terminates at ... Stratford; Line B--This is a ... line train to ... Cockfosters. I actually believe the jubilee line is the only one which follows that style of announcements, i.e. it is the only one which does not state it is a "Jubilee line train to x"
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Post by Alight on Feb 23, 2021 18:23:26 GMT
I believe the platform announcements you are referring to are spoken by Elinor Hamilton who is also the voice behind the automated Customer Service Update announcements amongst many others. Indeed. Unfortunately for Elinor, her service update announcements are so badly stitched together, they make me cringe every time. The installation of the Elinor Hamilton system across many LU stations has been at the expense of the superior 'Voice Perfect' system (voiced by Henrietta Bass), which - as the name suggests - is stitched together seamlessly. Notwithstanding how such clips are stitched together, in my view Henrietta's voice and diction carries far more gravitas and authority than that of Elinor's. Only a handful of stations have the 'Voice Perfect' system in place - off the top of my head these include Pimlico, Vauxhall and Highbury & Islington. As i know there is still one 95 with the original announcements and i think a complete redo of the announcements would be best since as you say the execution is worse since they kept the station but changed details however they could have executed it better without it sounding bodged I get the feeling the 2016 update used a combination of new recordings (presumably recorded in 2016) and recordings from the early '00s when some of the trains had a deeper variant of Celia - listen in at 0:22 here. It does make me wonder if Celia was charging by the word, because to my mind it would have been easier to record a lot of the sequences from scratch, such as what they have done for Bank. Unfortunately, Celia passed away last month. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Sad news. Fingers crossed she recorded the Nine Elms and Battersea announcements during the 2016 recording session so we can keep Celia on the Northern line for as long as possible. I actually believe the jubilee line is the only one which follows that style of announcements, i.e. it is the only one which does not state it is a "Jubilee line train to x" I have never quite understood why they retained the original announcer for the terminus rather than using Celia - does anyone know?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 0:12:55 GMT
Also regarding the jubilee line, why does it sometimes skip “this station is X change here for Y” and got straight to “this train terminates at Z”?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 24, 2021 0:20:30 GMT
I think the system occasionally gets lost as to where it is.
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 24, 2021 0:24:42 GMT
Also regarding the jubilee line, why does it sometimes skip “this station is X change here for Y” and got straight to “this train terminates at Z”? It's important to remember that the Passenger Information System on the 96 stock and all the computer related systems were products of the 90's. I believe the 96 stock PIS is just a stack of messages (updated several times but still the same system) that can be prone to interruptions or skipping if other comms are in use at the same time.
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Post by t697 on Feb 24, 2021 7:55:05 GMT
Also regarding the jubilee line, why does it sometimes skip “this station is X change here for Y” and got straight to “this train terminates at Z”? It's important to remember that the Passenger Information System on the 96 stock and all the computer related systems were products of the 90's. I believe the 96 stock PIS is just a stack of messages (updated several times but still the same system) that can be prone to interruptions or skipping if other comms are in use at the same time. I'd say the Jubilee PIS worked fine before it had the current ATC integrated with it to provide triggers all the way along. Originally the only external inputs were the driver setting the destination and the PAC loop at the station giving the current station ID. The PIS was programmed to work everything else out from that. Might have been better to just replace the PAC loop data with station ID from ATC and leave the rest as was. Another large fleet on LUL has been done that way with more success...
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Jun 10, 2021 19:15:32 GMT
Celia did not record the new announcements for the Battersea extension. You may think that they could just have someone else do the battersea extension (like the new announcements on the Central line including TFL rail which Sarah Parnell now does but the parts that stay the same is still Emma Clarke) but you have to remember that these announcements will be at all stations when they say “This train terminates at Battersea” and also the announcements will soon include Crossrail (refusing to call it Elizabeth Line) so sadly she will not be on the Northern line for much longer but she may still be on the Jubilee for a while.
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Post by vincenture on Jun 12, 2021 9:19:31 GMT
Canary Wharf announcement is notoriously skipped most of the time as far as I know.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 12, 2021 11:12:48 GMT
Canary Wharf announcement is notoriously skipped most of the time as far as I know. Really? I travel to/from Canary Wharf quite regularly and I've never noticed announcements for it being less frequent than for any other station.
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Post by vincenture on Jun 12, 2021 15:07:13 GMT
Interesting, I hope I'm not deaf
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Post by roythebus on Jul 5, 2021 9:08:36 GMT
I thought all announcements were done by Sonia. More disturbing are the Thameslink announcements, when a woman's voice suddenly changes to a man for the next bit!
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Post by grumpycat on Jul 5, 2021 15:39:13 GMT
I thought all announcements were done by Sonia. More disturbing are the Thameslink announcements, when a woman's voice suddenly changes to a man for the next bit! You get used to it eventually
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Post by brigham on Jul 6, 2021 7:35:01 GMT
I thought all announcements were done by Sonia. More disturbing are the Thameslink announcements, when a woman's voice suddenly changes to a man for the next bit! Why is that 'disturbing'?
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Post by A60stock on Jul 6, 2021 8:42:29 GMT
Would this not be a good opportunity to replace the in car dmis in the 95 stock (which now look pretty tired and outdated) with something more modern as on the S stock or 09 stock?
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Post by Chris L on Jul 6, 2021 10:32:54 GMT
Would this not be a good opportunity to replace the in car dmis in the 95 stock (which now look pretty tired and outdated) with something more modern as on the S stock or 09 stock? They are by no means modern. TFT displays as on the Class 345s are the current standard for trains.
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Post by Alight on Jul 6, 2021 13:18:18 GMT
Celia did not record the new announcements for the Battersea extension. You may think that they could just have someone else do the battersea extension (like the new announcements on the Central line including TFL rail which Sarah Parnell now does but the parts that stay the same is still Emma Clarke) but you have to remember that these announcements will be at all stations when they say “This train terminates at Battersea” and also the announcements will soon include Crossrail (refusing to call it Elizabeth Line) so sadly she will not be on the Northern line for much longer but she may still be on the Jubilee for a while. Is this for definite then? That's a real shame. I suppose she might have recorded 'Crossrail' back in 2015/16, but this would have been superseded by the the name change to 'Elizabeth line', mid-2016. On the subject of the Elizabeth line, it'll be interesting to see what ordering they go for for stations where there is both LU and Elizabeth line. At TCR, for instance, will it be "Change here for the Central and Elizabeth lines" (from a tourist's perspective, they're just two lines cut from the same cloth) or will it be "Change here for the Central line and the Elizabeth line" (so as to distinguish between the two TfL 'modes')? If the former, then presumably at stations such at Moorgate it'll end up being in amongst the alphabetical order: "Change here for the Circle, Elizabeth, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines..."
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Post by t697 on Jul 6, 2021 18:41:37 GMT
Just looked up the 95TS and S stock CIS plans. Not identicsl styles. On the Northern line 95TS the audio and visual Tottenham Court Road interchange message will be "Change here for Central line and the Elizabeth line." and the Moorgate one will be "Change here for Circle, Hammersmith and City and Metropolitan lines, the Elizabeth line and National Rail services.". Yes the audio recordings are done. No, I don't know who! Sounds fairly similar to the existing ones.
On the S stock the audio and visual Moorgate announcement will be "Change for the Northern line, the Elizabeth line and National Rail services." In the multiple different Liverpool Street ones that depend which way the train is going and whether it is Circle, H&C or Metropolitan line, "the Elizabeth line" will replace "TfL Rail". As normal, the S stock only gives the interchanges in the station approach message, not the at station announcement so as to save on dwell time and as far as reasonably practicable comply with RVAR subject to any itchy finger on the Close button!
For S stock, initial request was to treat the Elizabeth line as just another Tube line and put it in alphabetical order with any others. But with the audio files provided and no will or funds to record more, the audio edits sounded better in the style above. So the de facto generic treatment is 'Change for [LUL lines in alphabetical order], the Elizabeth line, London Overground and National [and International] Rail services.' Omit whichever isn't present of course. Similarly there when the change from Tramlink to London Trams was made for Wimbledon, the request was to put this TfL mode ahead of National Rail. Again this didn't sound too good with the available audio files so it's been left in the order '... National Rail services and London Trams.'.
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Post by Alight on Jul 7, 2021 11:13:20 GMT
Thanks t697, very insightful. Yes the audio recordings are done. No, I don't know who! Sounds fairly similar to the existing ones. I wonder if it is just the "Elizabeth line" phrase that sounds slightly different to the rest of the recordings, hence a similar feel? Or are you suggesting the whole set has been re-recorded by someone else? Another one that breaks the rules is West Hampstead of the Jubilee line, which says "National Rail services and London Overground" rather than the other way round! The way in which Celia says "London Overground" would have leant itself better to go before "National Rail services" as bodging it on the end sounds rhetorical!
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Post by t697 on Jul 7, 2021 16:39:26 GMT
I wonder if it is just the "Elizabeth line" phrase that sounds slightly different to the rest of the recordings, hence a similar feel? Or are you suggesting the whole set has been re-recorded by someone else? For the Elizabeth line announcements on the 95TS it is the "The next station is ... . Change here for ... ." and "This station is ... . Change here for ... ." that have new recordings. Only those and things for the NLE will have new audio. The rest are unchanged.
Played amid the full suite the new ones are clearly by a different voice, but to me at least don't seem objectionable. In any case, differently voiced changes have been made before such as the addition of platform numbers in the interchanges at Camden, Euston and Kennington. I agree about West Hampstead Jubilee. Not the best edit at all as the intonation is wrong for a sentence ending and also seems to have been cropped so you only hear "London Overgroun".
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Post by Chris M on Jul 7, 2021 16:48:53 GMT
I agree about West Hampstead Jubilee. Not the best edit at all as the intonation is wrong for a sentence ending and also seems to have been cropped so you only hear "London Overgroun". [/div] [/quote] The same is true at Canada Water. My guess is that the recorded phrase was "London Overground replacement bus services" or something like that for when the ELL was closed, but that's just a guess.
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Post by Alight on Jul 7, 2021 19:08:53 GMT
For the Elizabeth line announcements on the 95TS it is the "The next station is ... . Change here for ... ." and "This station is ... . Change here for ... ." that have new recordings. Only those and things for the NLE will have new audio. The rest are unchanged.Played amid the full suite the new ones are clearly by a different voice, but to me at least don't seem objectionable. In any case, differently voiced changes have been made before such as the addition of platform numbers in the interchanges at Camden, Euston and Kennington. Thanks for confirming and good to hear most of the original Celia recordings will live on! The variation you refer to for the changes to scripts at stations such as Euston was in fact voiced by Celia but at a different time; in hindsight they should have probably asked her to record those bits after refamiliarising herself with her original work so as to match the pitch! My thinking was these were recorded in the early-mid '00s around the same time she recorded the Jubilee line announcements, but were then never used (save for a few trains such as this one, which have since reverted back). Then an additional tranche (such as the new Bank recording) was done around 2015/16 when the system was updated, which also reused some of previously axed ones from the early-mid '00s I am guessing you've previewed them from a computer? How will they get the new updates onto the trains I wonder? Will someone have to go around and insert a new floppy disc(!), or are they loaded on by transmitting from a laptop directly onto each train via a cable? The same is true at Canada Water. My guess is that the recorded phrase was "London Overground replacement bus services" or something like that for when the ELL was closed, but that's just a guess. You're along the right lines! I recall during the ELL closure of used to play the original "Change here for the East London line" followed by a newly recorded phrase "replacement bus service" bodged on to the end.
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Post by t697 on Jul 7, 2021 22:38:17 GMT
New Northern line announcements experienced on test train. On 95TS software loading is from laptop via cable. I'll admit I don't know the detailed history of 95TS CIS updates in the 2000s. I've always thought the system somewhat confusing even allowing for the line itself being complex. In particular the audio and visual don't always give the same message at the same time which is a nuisance if you are struggling to hear over the general noise or have a partially obstructed view of the display and are trying to use the other medium to confirm. And I really don't like the 'at station' announcement and display of the next station and its interchanges saying "... change here for the xxx line". If you aren't paying very good attention it's too easy to think that really means "here" and jump off one stop too early.
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