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Post by superteacher on Jan 26, 2021 13:38:04 GMT
I used to see this quite often during hot weather, and you used to get a lovely breeze sitting near the guard's area.
Was this practice officially allowed?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 26, 2021 13:45:58 GMT
Trying to remember if there was a specific Rule to prevent it but observing the platform for two-thirds length and closing door was.
If undertaken the Guards bar would usually be raised and if another member of Staff joined you on the position the door should then be closed.
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Post by philthetube on Jan 26, 2021 14:04:43 GMT
I would stand leaning out of the train in hot weather, had to remember the Colindale tunnel though.
Both doors open if the car was empty.
I am not aware that it was expressly forbidden though I can imagine there would be issues if a passenger fell out.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 26, 2021 14:52:06 GMT
Ah, the old guard's bar! I bet there are a few of those knocking about! And for those members who may think that it's another name for a pub, it was a long metal bar which separated the guard's area from the passengers.  |
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Post by class411 on Jan 26, 2021 15:13:01 GMT
Ah, the old guard's bar! I bet there are a few of those knocking about! And for those members who may think that it's another name for a pub, it was a long metal bar which separated the guard's area from the passengers. I well remember them from my childhood. Along with that really cool purple light on the guard's control panel. |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 26, 2021 15:25:37 GMT
Ah, the old guard's bar! I bet there are a few of those knocking about! And for those members who may think that it's another name for a pub, it was a long metal bar which separated the guard's area from the passengers. I well remember them from my childhood. Along with that really cool purple light on the guard's control panel. Yes, the pilot light. I spent hours watching guards! |
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Post by brigham on Jan 26, 2021 17:36:18 GMT
I liked being able to watch the guard in action, as a kid. It was a bit special, like being somewhere you shouldn't really be.
I can't remember ever being able to watch the driver, though. Would that have been possible?
I used to watch the Changing of the Guard, sometimes...
...if Alice was with us.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 26, 2021 19:26:34 GMT
Ah, the old guard's bar! I bet there are a few of those knocking about! And for those members who may think that it's another name for a pub, it was a long metal bar which separated the guard's area from the passengers. Seen here with a dashing young Guard!  (My photo of Tom during a 38ts/Siddons running weekend, May2011) |
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Post by brigham on Jan 26, 2021 20:20:54 GMT
Hard to believe I was frightened of such people...
...at age 6!
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Post by Chris W on Jan 26, 2021 22:03:10 GMT
Seen here with a dashing young Guard! ( My photo of Tom during a regular 38ts Northern Line service, May 1971) Tom's got more wrinkles these days...     |
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Post by philthetube on Jan 27, 2021 3:22:17 GMT
I lived up North but I remember boarding the guards car as a 9 year old travelling from Epping once and thinking "what a primitive system", would never have guessed that I would be doing it 30 years later.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 27, 2021 5:48:31 GMT
And for those members who may think that it's another name for a pub, it was a long metal bar which separated the guard's area from the passengers. On some Sunday afternoons from Richmond however, the first interpretation may have been true! |
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 27, 2021 11:00:50 GMT
I used to see this quite often during hot weather, and you used to get a lovely breeze sitting near the guard's area. Was this practice officially allowed? I used to do it a lot in the summer in the open sections. It was also well known that once the rear carriage cleared out, Leytonstone EB etc, the Guard took down the bar and sat on the passenger seats. It wasnt strictly allowed but nobody cared in those days. |
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Post by t697 on Jan 27, 2021 11:21:28 GMT
Same on other lines I recall. Classy trains like A stock had a slightly more comfy tip-up seat for the Guard, with a slightly bigger perch area and a small backrest. The seat was released with the Guards Key (or strong fingers!)
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Post by superteacher on Jan 27, 2021 12:34:45 GMT
I used to see this quite often during hot weather, and you used to get a lovely breeze sitting near the guard's area. Was this practice officially allowed? I used to do it a lot in the summer in the open sections. It was also well known that once the rear carriage cleared out, Leytonstone EB etc, the Guard took down the bar and sat on the passenger seats. It wasnt strictly allowed but nobody cared in those days. Yes, I saw many a guard "on the cushions" whilst still working! |
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Post by slugabed on Jan 27, 2021 13:15:14 GMT
In the days of hand-worked doors on the District (as late as the 50s,I think,according to my dad) the saloon doors were opened by passengers on hot days.
People had to be their own Safety Elves in those days.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 27, 2021 17:45:41 GMT
In the days of hand-worked doors on the District (as late as the 50s, I think, according to my dad) the saloon doors were opened by passengers on hot days. People had to be their own Safety Elves in those days. According to "Going Green", the last ones were used on the Olympia shuttle, and were replaced in 1959 by three new trains of R stock (designated R59) |
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Post by metman on Jan 27, 2021 20:25:29 GMT
The last H stock train was officially withdrawn in March 1958.
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Post by Colin D on Jan 28, 2021 0:57:21 GMT
I used to do it a lot in the summer in the open sections. It was also well known that once the rear carriage cleared out, Leytonstone EB etc, the Guard took down the bar and sat on the passenger seats. It wasnt strictly allowed but nobody cared in those days. Yes, I saw many a guard "on the cushions" whilst still working! Yes I one of those, much more comfortable than the guards seat on the 62ts |
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Post by jimbo on Jan 28, 2021 2:44:54 GMT
The Paris Metro still ran with open passenger doors in the summer in the 60s I'm sure!
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Post by brigham on Jan 28, 2021 8:23:19 GMT
The last H stock train was officially withdrawn in March 1958. For three months, I could have caught it! |
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Post by selbiehouse on Feb 2, 2021 22:23:24 GMT
There is a photograph on page 36 of Brian Hardy's Underground Train File - Surface Stock 1933 - 1959 of a four car H stock train leaving Surrey Docks during hot weather with virtually all doors open. The guard is riding in the rear cab. I also recall that on the Q23 stock cars and some standard stock cars that the guard's door was hinged, opening inwards. In hot weather some drivers also could be seen with either one or both cab doors open.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 3, 2021 10:34:57 GMT
In the days of hand-worked doors on the District (as late as the 50s,I think,according to my dad) the saloon doors were opened by passengers on hot days. People had to be their own Safety Elves in those days. I know a lady who is now in her 80s who remembers being on those trains with the open doors when she was a child - she was terrified of falling out, although as far as I've ever found out, such never actually happened. Not even on crowded war-time trains. People knew the risks and that it was their own responsibility to protect their safety. In 1991 I spent a few days in Sydney, Australia where they still had some trains with hand operated sliding doors. With one arm holding the camcorder and the other arm tightly gripping (and partially wrapped around) a floor to ceiling pole I got some fantastic footage crossing the harbour bridge - it was so much better not having dirty window glass in the way! |
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Post by roythebus on Mar 8, 2021 7:39:26 GMT
It's still fairly common practice in India and places east thereof.
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Post by alpinejohn on Mar 8, 2021 7:49:54 GMT
Hmm I rather think people inside trains in India are probably less at risk than those travelling on the roof.
Getting back to LUL - does anyone know roughly how many drivers, guards or passengers are known to have fallen off tube trains as a result of that door being left open whilst the train was moving and indeed roughly how many of those died as a result?
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Post by selbiehouse on Mar 8, 2021 18:06:25 GMT
Hmm I rather think people inside trains in India are probably less at risk than those travelling on the roof. Getting back to LUL - does anyone know roughly how many drivers, guards or passengers are known to have fallen off tube trains as a result of that door being left open whilst the train was moving and indeed roughly how many of those died as a result? On page 33 of The City & South London Railway by T.S. Lascelles (Oakwood Press) it is reported that a passenger died in June 1892. A guard was in the habit of inviting passengers to go out onto the platform of the leading coach to watch the engine at work. One unfortunate passenger fell to his death in the tunnel. The guard hid himself and was not found for some time.
There is no reference to any accidents of this nature in Rails Through the Clay.
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Post by North End on Mar 8, 2021 19:02:43 GMT
Hmm I rather think people inside trains in India are probably less at risk than those travelling on the roof. Getting back to LUL - does anyone know roughly how many drivers, guards or passengers are known to have fallen off tube trains as a result of that door being left open whilst the train was moving and indeed roughly how many of those died as a result? On page 33 of The City & South London Railway by T.S. Lascelles (Oakwood Press) it is reported that a passenger died in June 1892. A guard was in the habit of inviting passengers to go out onto the platform of the leading coach to watch the engine at work. One unfortunate passenger fell to his death in the tunnel. The guard hid himself and was not found for some time.
There is no reference to any accidents of this nature in Rails Through the Clay.
I believe a guard once got killed at Hendon Central leaning out of the door as the train entered the tunnel. There’s also the incident a few years back involving C stock and the vasectomy, though that was fortunately no real harm done. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 9, 2021 4:12:05 GMT
The guard's duty was to see the train safely move off a couple of cars, then retreat into his car. I recall a couple of times when a guard was distracted, once with his hat blowing away and another when a girl left on the platform was adjusting her clothing, both causing the guard to look back and crack their head on the tunnel wall. I can't recall if either was fatal. They resulted in the train continuing to the next station, where the passenger doors did not open!
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Mar 9, 2021 6:49:08 GMT
Pity the passengers in that car!
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Post by revupminster on Mar 9, 2021 7:03:19 GMT
Looking at that picture of the guard reminds me of the Doc Martin's that were issued. They were based on the gibson style but with a thicker sole. They had a blue roundal stitched near the laces that you could cut off. The Post Office had a similar type. with their stitched on design. They were tough to breal in but lasted years if not decades.
I used to buy the public version with the thinner welded sole because they were the best watertight shoe.
Uniforms are an interesting subject with the difference between grades.
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