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Post by ijmad on Nov 24, 2019 23:33:48 GMT
Interesting, so not using the --II-- construct they used on some of the old maps depicting the shuttle.
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 25, 2019 0:03:23 GMT
For the avoidance of doubt this *is* an old map. The Central is particularly notorious for out of date enamel maps.
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Post by Chris L on Nov 25, 2019 0:08:24 GMT
Interesting, so not using the --II-- construct they used on some of the old maps depicting the shuttle. Given the financial situation at TfL I can't see diagrams being updated even with vinyl overlays for this change. Line diagrams are very expensive to manufacture with all the colours on the flag boxes at the interchanges. These have to be fired individually in the furnace in a particular order as they change colour with each firing. Then there is the installation cost.
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Post by ijmad on Nov 25, 2019 0:22:12 GMT
For the avoidance of doubt this *is* an old map. The Central is particularly notorious for out of date enamel maps. Ah, fair enough. I thought it might be a new map made preemptively that was supposed to be hidden behind a temporary patch or similar! And you're right. Lots of old maps around the Central Line, even on some of the trains. Plus the Westbound map at Mile End which misspells Hanger Lane as Hangar Lane.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 25, 2019 21:09:52 GMT
For the avoidance of doubt this *is* an old map. The Central is particularly notorious for out of date enamel maps. Ah, fair enough. I thought it might be a new map made preemptively that was supposed to be hidden behind a temporary patch or similar! my thoughts too! someone should uncover a Met line map showing stations to Aylesbury (or even Quainton Road!) and a Northern line map with the full Northern Heights. Maybe they too will become 'present era' again?
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Post by superteacher on Nov 25, 2019 21:39:54 GMT
I doubt they will spend any money updating the maps, especially as the reintroduction of the shuttle isn’t intended to be a permanent change.
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Post by stapler on Nov 26, 2019 21:38:23 GMT
I doubt they will spend any money updating the maps, especially as the reintroduction of the shuttle isn’t intended to be a permanent change. Agree they won't spend the money (and some of the maps would be like patchwork quilts if they did), but temporary? Really?!
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 27, 2019 14:30:02 GMT
I doubt they will spend any money updating the maps, especially as the reintroduction of the shuttle isn’t intended to be a permanent change. Agree they won't spend the money (and some of the maps would be like patchwork quilts if they did), but temporary? Really?! After the "heavy overhaul" is finished we'll be back to all 8-car trains with Woodford via Hainaults going through Zone 1 because its a more efficient use of available rolling stock and train crew. It also offers Wood Lane greater flexibility when things go wrong.
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Post by stapler on Nov 27, 2019 22:13:17 GMT
When would you estimate that would be, aslefshrugged?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 28, 2019 9:40:34 GMT
I've heard two years
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Post by jimbo on Nov 29, 2019 0:29:58 GMT
The plan is for five trains to be released at a time to Acton Works until 2023 at least, so will be a tight stock position until at least then!
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Post by stapler on Nov 29, 2019 22:37:05 GMT
Thanks all.....2023; by then the worthy Chigwellians will have got used to half-length trains! By then, LU may have got round to stabilising the cuttings and embankments, the lack of action on which was raised by irate residents at the last Epping Forest counci lmeeting.
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Post by ijmad on Nov 30, 2019 17:03:03 GMT
Thanks all.....2023; by then the worthy Chigwellians will have got used to half-length trains! By then, LU may have got round to stabilising the cuttings and embankments, the lack of action on which was raised by irate residents at the last Epping Forest counci lmeeting. You'll only have 5 or so years before NTFL replaces the 92ts! ... at least those can't be decoupled ...
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Post by underover on Nov 30, 2019 21:10:04 GMT
Thanks all.....2023; by then the worthy Chigwellians will have got used to half-length trains! By then, LU may have got round to stabilising the cuttings and embankments, the lack of action on which was raised by irate residents at the last Epping Forest counci lmeeting. You'll only have 5 or so years before NTFL replaces the 92ts! ... at least those can't be decoupled ... Very much doubt it will be 5 years... Also, anything can be uncoupled, even the s stock gets regularly 'somewhat' split.
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Post by stapler on Nov 30, 2019 21:59:15 GMT
You'll only have 5 or so years before NTFL replaces the 92ts! ... at least those can't be decoupled ... Very much doubt it will be 5 years... Also, anything can be uncoupled, even the s stock gets regularly 'somewhat' split. I thought NTFL wasn't expected on the Central till about 2032 or 2033? Anyone know better?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 1, 2019 3:38:23 GMT
2030s was what I heard, the Piccadilly and Bakerloo will get theirs first.
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Post by stapler on Dec 1, 2019 8:22:46 GMT
2030s was what I heard, the Piccadilly and Bakerloo will get theirs first. Quite;so if the upgrade is finished by 2022/early 2023, more like ten more years for the 92TS... and not dissimiliar to the D78s? (I thought the refurb of the Ds really did improve them, from a passenger point of view)
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Post by underover on Dec 1, 2019 15:01:18 GMT
2030s was what I heard, the Piccadilly and Bakerloo will get theirs first. Quite;so if the upgrade is finished by 2022/early 2023, more like ten more years for the 92TS... and not dissimiliar to the D78s? (I thought the refurb of the Ds really did improve them, from a passenger point of view) From what I heard, electrically, they were ruined. Phantom electrical draws everywhere. Hopefully the 92TS don't end up the same way, otherwise it could be a bad few years for the train maintainers.
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Post by DWS on Dec 2, 2019 0:18:59 GMT
Quite;so if the upgrade is finished by 2022/early 2023, more like ten more years for the 92TS... and not dissimiliar to the D78s? (I thought the refurb of the Ds really did improve them, from a passenger point of view) From what I heard, electrically, they were ruined. Phantom electrical draws everywhere. Hopefully the 92TS don't end up the same way, otherwise it could be a bad few years for the train maintainers. What is a Phantom electrical draw ?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 2, 2019 1:48:57 GMT
A rejected title for the first one with Jar Jar Binks?
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Post by tjw on Dec 2, 2019 8:20:05 GMT
I am not an electrical engineer but this applies to a loss of some electrical power that cannot be traced. Well you can detect that power is being lost, but when you check each possibility you cannot find it.
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Post by brigham on Dec 2, 2019 8:40:40 GMT
It's called 'leakage' in normal electrical terms. To isolate it, you turn everything off, put the ammeter in circuit, then pull out the fuses one at a time until the current ceases to flow. The leakage is in that last circuit.
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Post by ijmad on Dec 2, 2019 13:29:10 GMT
Current leakage can cause fuses to trip unexpectedly as peak load + phantom load is higher than the fuse is rated to protect.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 6, 2019 18:03:48 GMT
Slightly fuller details emerging, much already revealed in parts:
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Post by stapler on Dec 6, 2019 21:52:04 GMT
Thanks vm! As we thought. The use of pfm 1 at Hainault will not be welcomed by Loop passengers,and Woodford will be the much preferred route into London.The way this reads suggests that a draft of WTT70 is in print.Is it on the web?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 6, 2019 22:27:35 GMT
The way this reads suggests that a draft of WTT70 is in print.Is it on the web? A draft has been around for sometime, final version not due for release until 1 month before introduction, doubt it’ll be on website until introduction date 26 January.
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Post by stapler on Dec 7, 2019 8:29:08 GMT
Thank you again. WTT70 will doubtless be fed into the computers about Christmas Day, so we'll be able to "read" it off the journey planner. Presume that all Loughton reversers will be in the centre road? In nearly 40 years of use, I've travelled west from a train in No 4 only half a dozen times. Are the reduced number of trains at Epping to be concentrated on no2 platform, thus "isolating" the DDA compliant exit on No.1?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 7, 2019 9:12:49 GMT
Thanks vm! As we thought. The use of pfm 1 at Hainault will not be welcomed by Loop passengers,and Woodford will be the much preferred route into London. Plenty of people were grumbling on Twitter that the shuttles would be on Platform 2, they'd have to scurry over to Platform 1 for the next WB train, by the time they got there the train would have left and they'd have to scurry back to Plat 3. Platform 1 makes a lot more sense (until the lift breaks down). Woodford is going to be hell in the morning, better to go to Hainault where at least the trains will be starting out empty rather than already full of passengers from Epping-Buckhurst Hill.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 7, 2019 17:13:51 GMT
Thanks vm! As we thought. The use of pfm 1 at Hainault will not be welcomed by Loop passengers,and Woodford will be the much preferred route into London. Plenty of people were grumbling on Twitter that the shuttles would be on Platform 2, they'd have to scurry over to Platform 1 for the next WB train, by the time they got there the train would have left and they'd have to scurry back to Plat 3. Platform 1 makes a lot more sense (until the lift breaks down). Woodford is going to be hell in the morning, better to go to Hainault where at least the trains will be starting out empty rather than already full of passengers from Epping-Buckhurst Hill. That makes sense to me. Everyone will have to move from 1 to 2/3 or vice/versa regardless, so no chance of missing a train and then having to retrace your steps.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 7, 2019 23:47:52 GMT
In the past the shuttle trains reversed at platform 2.
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